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    Default Who should have won the 1996 Euroleague title?

    Who was robbed in this game? A lot of controversial decisions...

    - Look at the clock.


    - It wasn't blocked shot.


    Who should have won? Discuss.
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    Two answers.

    By the book: Propably panathinaikos. When the clock stops, the game should stop. Barca shoud get the ball for a 4.9 sec offense. Thats what they actually did, since after the block, barca resets the offense , the clock is still stopped, and they have around 5 sec to carry the offense.

    Subjective opinion: Panathinaikos. The last 2 minutes of the game are probably the worst officiating by referees in a euroleague final.

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    After seeing those vids all i have to says is i can't believe how much Euroleague basketball has progressed in only 10-13 years.
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    Barcelona for sure

    Regardless of the disaster of the clock, it is simple cause it was an illegal block, so Barcelona would be 1 point up with 1 second or so to play, so the title should have been clearly to Barcelona.

    I agree it was a complete shameful refereering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neozyrus View Post
    Barcelona for sure

    Regardless of the disaster of the clock, it is simple cause it was an illegal block, so Barcelona would be 1 point up with 1 second or so to play, so the title should have been clearly to Barcelona.

    I agree it was a complete shameful refereering.
    Less than a minute earlier, Montero fouls Ekonomou when he is posting him, Barcelona takes the ball and scores a basket in transition and gets awarded a foul that never happened.

    Nice 5 point play by Monsieur Dorizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWSN-Men View Post
    Less than a minute earlier, Montero fouls Ekonomou when he is posting him, Barcelona takes the ball and scores a basket in transition and gets awarded a foul that never happened.

    Nice 5 point play by Monsieur Dorizon.
    Vrankovic should have been fouled out before all that , and the refs forgave him a technical foul 2 times before...
    We could name many many mistakes from the refs , cause as i said the refs were terrible, but we would never end man
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    I always had the feeling Barcelona should've won it.
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    Barca should have won this. Why?

    Try to continue counting after the clock stopped.

    If the clock has stopped at 1 or 2 seconds for example, then the Barca player would reach the basket while the time would had certaintly already expired, and that would be illegal. But the clock stopped at 5 seconds, and the player was "blocked" 1-1.5 seconds before the end.

    In other words, and considering the real time, the Barca player legally continued to play, but was illegally blocked.

    How this sounds?
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    Barcelona

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    PAO
    was a better team those days
    by the book the game had to be stop
    refs was sucked a lot that day and i never talk about them

    the thread is silly without offence
    PAO fans vote PAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy green View Post
    PAO fans vote PAO
    PAO antifans vote Barca
    I'm not either
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    Quote Originally Posted by rikhardur View Post
    I'm not either
    ok except you
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    Quote Originally Posted by rikhardur View Post
    I'm not either
    Me neither
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympiakos View Post
    Barca should have won this. Why?

    Try to continue counting after the clock stopped.

    If the clock has stopped at 1 or 2 seconds for example, then the Barca player would reach the basket while the time would had certaintly already expired, and that would be illegal. But the clock stopped at 5 seconds, and the player was "blocked" 1-1.5 seconds before the end.

    In other words, and considering the real time, the Barca player legally continued to play, but was illegally blocked.

    How this sounds?

    It s sounds perfectly logical , but again with IFs , you don t play basketball.
    The rule is that when the clock stops, the game stops.

    Those are the RULES. Everything that happened after the time stopped, should not be mentionned, as everything is illegal ( against the rules).

    Again for me the most fair thing would have been to award barcelona with one final 5 second offense.

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    Is it true that Euroleague officials apologized to Barcelona for the lost final, after some years ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neozyrus View Post
    Me neither
    you are not objective.You are spaniard
    next please
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    By the way, in order to say something productive ( the vote is silly as somebody said since PAO fans vote PAO, the others barca).

    I always wondered why barca didn t foul to sent PAO to the free throws. I mean PAO was +1, starts an offense with 33 secs remaining ( an offense lasting 30 secs back then).
    PAO just has to keep the ball and the game is over, since you do not have time to grab a rebound , cross the court and have a decent shot in 3-4 secs.

    Still barca didn t foul. Weird decision. Did they know something we dont

    Ps. In my humble opinion , there is a clear foul on giannakis. One of barcas players must have hit him with his knee. I can t explain otherwise , the way giannakis falls in the groud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy green View Post
    on you are not subjective.You are spaniard
    next please
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    and guys the question is if you would like to continue posting which team should have won the 96 ET not which team you would love to won the title.
    So whoever wants Barca to base on a fact like the rule book PAO fans saying..The same goes to PAO fans
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    All right

    As u mention that the clock is stopped, we should question, why it was stopped: Nothing really hard happened in the court, refs didnt whistled, Pao just lost the ball clearly and 4 men of Barca were running free to Pao's basket. An then the clock stops... ok another refs/official's mistake that made Barca lose the title.
    We're on the same point.
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