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    I agree that such tournament would be fairest way, but think about those teams, players, who must play two serious tournaments during one summer and that AQT (additional qualifying tournament) it's not like friendlies, you want it or not, you must have usual preparation camp,friendlies before AQT to get ready to it, to pick the best players, just like before WC, so that means that players after long clubs' season, almost without a break should join NT camps. Maybe such problem exist only in Europe, maybe in other continents not, cause I'm not familiar with all the competitions closely and when they're starting/finishing.
    And it's way too long, players might get tired, might pick the best shape in AQT and then they won't be at their best in final tournament and etc.
    I think FIBA should get rid at all this wildcards thing. Share those free places to continents somehow and that's all. Maybe it should be based on last WC and OG results, maybe some other criterias and let the teams decide it in local champs


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    And it's way too long, players might get tired, might pick the best shape in AQT and then they won't be at their best in final tournament and etc.
    I don't see that as a problem, it's a price you'd pay for not qualifying directly from the zonal championship.

    If a tournament is too much, you could split eight teams up into four pairings have have home-away total points series, or best of three, or even single games at neutral sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JGX View Post
    I don't see that as a problem, it's a price you'd pay for not qualifying directly from the zonal championship.

    If a tournament is too much, you could split eight teams up into four pairings have have home-away total points series, or best of three, or even single games at neutral sites.
    A Round robin would probaly be an easier and quicker solution.


    The only problem I see with this is economically. It'd be an additional expense for some Federations that barely recieve money from their goverments.

    I mean, suppose The Virgin Island doesn't qualify and have to go through this tourney. We are talking about a really good team here whose federation always have problems gathering all its players due to their lack of money

    and the fact It gets really hard to have all their players together for a tournament like this for most teams with NBA players and NCAA players. What's more, European clubs don't really like to lend their players to their respective national team for those kinda tournaments either.
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    Rumors in the italian media today that Italy will have a wild card for the WC for just... 500k euros.

    It should be a "favour" by FIBA for the 2014 WC assigned to Spain and not Italy...

    But if Recalcati remains our coach, i prefer to stay at home!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxicity View Post
    Rumors in the italian media today that Italy will have a wild card for the WC for just... 500k euros.

    It should be a "favour" by FIBA for the 2014 WC assigned to Spain and not Italy...

    But if Recalcati remains our coach, i prefer to stay at home!!!
    Only if FIBA blatantly ignores their own rules...which sadly I can I can see them doing.

    Seriously the first rule on wild card selection is you must play in your region's championship tournament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtown View Post
    Seriously the first rule on wild card selection is you must play in your region's championship tournament.
    Yeah, it's true. But i wouldn't be surprised if FIBA changes that rule in this case...

    Anyway we don't deserve it... we finished dead last in the additional qualifying round group behind France and Finland!!!

    Recalcati go home!

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    From the 4 Wilcards only one should go to a team that not belongs to europe.

    Perhaps it should be Lebanon, because they should be the strongest team not qualified. America has 4 spots and the USA is already qualified. So they will have 5 teams and that is enough for them. Africa will have 3 teams and they don´t deserv more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buducnost PG View Post
    From the 4 Wilcards only one should go to a team that not belongs to europe.

    Perhaps it should be Lebanon, because they should be the strongest team not qualified. America has 4 spots and the USA is already qualified. So they will have 5 teams and that is enough for them. Africa will have 3 teams and they don´t deserv more.
    yeah u r right we deserve a wild card more than any team in the world
    Hope to see the Lebanese NT in WC 2010 in Turkey.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buducnost PG View Post
    From the 4 Wilcards only one should go to a team that not belongs to europe.

    Perhaps it should be Lebanon, because they should be the strongest team not qualified.
    Better than whoever gets the 5th place at the Americas' Championship?

    Better than Nigeria?

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    I hope none from Asia wins the bronze medal or higher....


    The RP remains the only Asian Country to win a Medal in the WC..... we would not want our record to be broken or equaled.

    good luck to all teams

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    Thank you, for answering. But this method works for me only with .. In all other cases I get only strange results, like those below
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    Quote Originally Posted by alermac View Post
    Better than whoever gets the 5th place at the Americas' Championship?

    Better than Nigeria?
    thanks for saying what I was just gonna say
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buducnost PG View Post
    From the 4 Wilcards only one should go to a team that not belongs to europe.

    Perhaps it should be Lebanon, because they should be the strongest team not qualified. America has 4 spots and the USA is already qualified. So they will have 5 teams and that is enough for them. Africa will have 3 teams and they don´t deserv more.
    Depends what you want to accomplish with those wildcards. If you want to make sure that the strongest teams appear in that tournament, all wildcards need to be given to Europe - certainly ahead of countries like Lebanon.
    If you want weak continents to be represented more in order to increase popularity there, you may give it to Asia and/or Africa instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsgermany View Post
    Depends what you want to accomplish with those wildcards. If you want to make sure that the strongest teams appear in that tournament, all wildcards need to be given to Europe - certainly ahead of countries like Lebanon.
    If you want weak continents to be represented more in order to increase popularity there, you may give it to Asia and/or Africa instead.
    Well one the most Europe can get is 3, FIBA rules only give a maximum of 3 wild cards per zone.

    Secondly with Argentina sending their c squad to the Americas it's entirely possible they get upset, and I'd gladly take their A team over any country in Europe outside of Spain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtown View Post
    Well one the most Europe can get is 3, FIBA rules only give a maximum of 3 wild cards per zone.

    Secondly with Argentina sending their c squad to the Americas it's entirely possible they get upset, and I'd gladly take their A team over any country in Europe outside of Spain.
    The question is though, if they actually deserve it if they intentionally show up only with a B-squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alermac View Post
    Better than whoever gets the 5th place at the Americas' Championship?

    Better than Nigeria?
    At the moment yes Lebanon are better than Nigeria(they showed nothing special in Fiba Africa and they don't deserve to go to Turkey) as for teams from Fiba America's well it depends on who goes directly, Lebanon is better than Venzuela and many others, of course not from Argentina nor Brazil( best two participants but I hope Argentina can qualify it would give a better chance for Lebanon), Puerto Ricco and Dominicans(this year)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsgermany View Post
    The question is though, if they actually deserve it if they intentionally show up only with a B-squad.
    Well considering that guys like Ginobili are coming off injury it's not a conscience decision to field the c team. Two they'd be competing against the 10th best team from Europe (remember they get 7 automatically) and the 4th place from everywhere else. There's no way they don't get in, and considering they're resume since 2002 and previous wild cards there's no way you can argue they wouldn't deserve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtown View Post
    Well considering that guys like Ginobili are coming off injury it's not a conscience decision to field the c team. Two they'd be competing against the 10th best team from Europe (remember they get 7 automatically) and the 4th place from everywhere else. There's no way they don't get in, and considering they're resume since 2002 and previous wild cards there's no way you can argue they wouldn't deserve it.

    I certainly do, 'cause in my eyes, a country should be judged by its showing in the qualifyers, and not by its past.
    In that case, you could give a lot of countries an automatic go and they all wouldn't need to show up with their best teams. I don't think that would be the right signal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsgermany View Post
    I certainly do, 'cause in my eyes, a country should be judged by its showing in the qualifyers, and not by its past.
    In that case, you could give a lot of countries an automatic go and they all wouldn't need to show up with their best teams. I don't think that would be the right signal.
    In bball NT competitions are in every single year, so it's hard to bring all the best players every year, it's natural that some might be tired, some might be injured or will try to rest to fully recover from it, so you want it or not you must look at the past (not long tough), cause upset might happen, but it won't mean anything.
    If it would be system like it football (major tournament every two years and qualifiers to it are during it), it's ok, but in bball it's different. It's natural that players are tryin' to choose the priorities, they can't play year after year almost all year long.


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    In that case they simply have to deal with the consequences and make room for the countries that finish stronger in the qualifyers.

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