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    Quote Originally Posted by ARMIR View Post
    If only the PBA add more teams and only two conference,where the 2nd have two imports one 6'6 and the other unlimited and have FIBA rules,it would just make the games more interesting and fun to watch.
    I'm OK with just the one import limit, but it's of unlimited height (well for the meantime). With the 6'6" import, it might deny our 6'6"-6'8" bigs a chance to play the PF position. However unlikely it might be, 6'6" imports might be slotted at the 4. I wanna help our 6'6"-6'8" bigs thrive in whatever level, even if it's only from the 4 spot, not the 5.

    Though I guess the one import limit would be only truly helpful in the collegiate leagues, as the collegiate years form part of the player's developmental years. As for our bigs, they would be better spent at the 4 spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    I'm OK with just the one import limit, but it's of unlimited height (well for the meantime). With the 6'6" import, it might deny our 6'6"-6'8" bigs a chance to play the PF position. However unlikely it might be, 6'6" imports might be slotted at the 4. I wanna help our 6'6"-6'8" bigs thrive in whatever level, even if it's only from the 4 spot, not the 5.

    Though I guess the one import limit would be only truly helpful in the collegiate leagues, as the collegiate years form part of the player's developmental years. As for our bigs, they would be better spent at the 4 spot.

    I mean a conference with two imports should be an invitational conference,one import of course a 5,he's backup of course is the local big man,so that they will have experience playing against real international size bigs,the other should be a 3,so that should give the locals size on that position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARMIR View Post
    I mean a conference with two imports should be an invitational conference,one import of course a 5,he's backup of course is the local big man,so that they will have experience playing against real international size bigs,the other should be a 3,so that should give the locals size on that position.
    I'd rather the local big learn to be the import's partner, generally. It will give us size on this position.

    But, yeah. the main import is a 5 and the invitational is a 3, so that we'll have size on all positions. Well, provided the coach doesn't make the local big back up the import, and instead makes said big the import's partner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    I'd rather the local big learn to be the import's partner, generally. It will give us size on this position.

    But, yeah. the main import is a 5 and the invitational is a 3, so that we'll have size on all positions. Well, provided the coach doesn't make the local big back up the import, and instead makes said big the import's partner.

    I really like the idea of also the local coaches pitting their talents against the coach of an invited Euro/Asian team,and also get an experience in actually how to coach and use skilled big men in big positions.

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    https://fb.watch/v/fliQUB8LM/
    Kenneth Lofton Jr., we have players this size. Why not (at least approximate) his skills?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shootingbwakaw View Post
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    Kenneth Lofton Jr., we have players this size. Why not (at least approximate) his skills?
    This reminds me how ping and junmar played in the WC. Post plays, power plays, plays below the rim. A big FU to modern basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shootingbwakaw View Post
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    Kenneth Lofton Jr., we have players this size. Why not (at least approximate) his skills?
    And play his position. He's listed as a forward as per FIBA. Low-post PF's still exist, and we can replicate that, especially given that we have bigs who are 6'7", like Lofton.

    About replicating his play style, well the thing is, our bigs aren't really being given the ball in the post. Screen, rebound, wait for the pass inside, that's where our bigs end up. Give our 6'7" bigs the opportunity to play in the post as a PF (which will usually only happen if they play alongside a taller player, usually an import), then watch them go to work if we feed them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    And play his position. He's listed as a forward as per FIBA. Low-post PF's still exist, and we can replicate that, especially given that we have bigs who are 6'7", like Lofton.

    About replicating his play style, well the thing is, our bigs aren't really being given the ball in the post. Screen, rebound, wait for the pass inside, that's where our bigs end up. Give our 6'7" bigs the opportunity to play in the post as a PF (which will usually only happen if they play alongside a taller player, usually an import), then watch them go to work if we feed them.
    Who knows if chot or tab went more to the post then we wouldve won some of those games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deku_midoriya View Post
    Who knows if chot or tab went more to the post then we wouldve won some of those games.
    Tab went to Kouame in the post a little in our past 5 games. But, yeah, he could call more plays for him and Kai, even Baltazar and Tamayo. All of the aforementioned can score on the block. Like I said, our bigs are our biggest advantage. We have to use them as much as possible, whether as scorers or simply as threats.

    As for Chot, well, too guard-oriented. His offense didn't give a lot of room for low-post plays. Nasayang tuloy si June Mar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    Tab went to Kouame in the post a little in our past 5 games. But, yeah, he could call more plays for him and Kai, even Baltazar and Tamayo. All of the aforementioned can score on the block. Like I said, our bigs are our biggest advantage. We have to use them as much as possible, whether as scorers or simply as threats.

    As for Chot, well, too guard-oriented. His offense didn't give a lot of room for low-post plays. Nasayang tuloy si June Mar.
    I'm just thinking maybe if our point guards that played in the 3rd window & the OQT are the types which are good "feeders" of the bigs (point guards like Kiefer, Matt Nieto & perhaps Dalph Panopio), Kai & Kouame might probably had better scoring opportunities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    And play his position. He's listed as a forward as per FIBA. Low-post PF's still exist, and we can replicate that, especially given that we have bigs who are 6'7", like Lofton.

    About replicating his play style, well the thing is, our bigs aren't really being given the ball in the post. Screen, rebound, wait for the pass inside, that's where our bigs end up. Give our 6'7" bigs the opportunity to play in the post as a PF (which will usually only happen if they play alongside a taller player, usually an import), then watch them go to work if we feed them.
    Baltazar I think is a post player but he doesn't weigh 280 or whatever Lofton Jr weighs. Lofton is big so he can back down guys in the post. Are there any local bigs his size built like him that can move as well for their size?

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    i actually like baltazar's gilas position. being able to shoot 3s and defend the perimeter makes him a valuable 3&D player. if the opponents decide to throw a smaller defender at him he can take them to the low post, bonus na lang him being a good shot blocker/help defender. reminds me of alvin patrimonio playing as a wing in the rp centennial team. against ncaa div1 teams they often put a guard to defend him and he will just school the college kids in the low post.

    back to baltazar, he'll be fine as a wing even if he doesn't develop ball-handling skills, just continue to improve his current skill set. kinda like a poor man's trevor ariza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    I'm just thinking maybe if our point guards that played in the 3rd window & the OQT are the types which are good "feeders" of the bigs (point guards like Kiefer, Matt Nieto & perhaps Dalph Panopio), Kai & Kouame might probably had better scoring opportunities.

    That's another thing,you can't execute a good low post without,the guard making that timely pass down low,really badly need taller pass oriented PGs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARMIR View Post
    I was wondering,can anybody answer why Jay Pangalangan a 7'0 not invited in Gilas? Gilas won't have the luxury of having Kai all the time and relying from PBA for their big man is a pain,so why not even make him the backup to AK,if Kai is not available or even a SEA GAMES big man.
    He's in Letran. Not very likely that he's lent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    He's in Letran. Not very likely that he's lent.
    all the Gilas invitees are main players of their team. has Jeremiah been a main player of any of the college teams he joined in? or was he even team A on any of them? lets start with that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    He's in Letran. Not very likely that he's lent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C2Hamm View Post
    all the Gilas invitees are main players of their team. has Jeremiah been a main player of any of the college teams he joined in? or was he even team A on any of them? lets start with that...
    Right. Pangalangan belongs to the "lampa" group of bigmen. Not much skills to show off. I even doubt if he's really a legit 7 foot. Probably just 6'10 max. With that in mind you have Geo Chiu or Carino to consider first. Both around 6'8 but more skilled than Jeremiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRodster21 View Post
    Baltazar I think is a post player but he doesn't weigh 280 or whatever Lofton Jr weighs. Lofton is big so he can back down guys in the post. Are there any local bigs his size built like him that can move as well for their size?
    The closest we have is 6'5" Belga. Hahahahahahahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    The closest we have is 6'5" Belga. Hahahahahahahaha.
    Larry Muyang is another prospect

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    Quote Originally Posted by deku_midoriya View Post
    This reminds me how ping and junmar played in the WC. Post plays, power plays, plays below the rim. A big FU to modern basketball.
    The only way for most of our bigs to be productive in the post is if they play the 4. We have plenty of 6'7"-6'8" bigs now. Least we can do is make them play as a low-post 4 (which has little difference from the 5) so they can succeed in the post in the international scene.

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