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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    OK, but it's not blood relations alone! that's incomplete. Our law never says that... there are other conditions...
    BTW even countries like Australia (jus soli) have pathway's to acquistion of citizenship via family relations... so it's really not accurate to say the reason for our problem is our laws are based on relationship blood and others are not.
    i am aware that most, or should i say all, jus soli countries still follow blood relationships in order to give the offsprings of their citizenship opportunity and be entitled of the rights accord to their citizens.

    put it this way:

    (all) countries that follow jus soli also follow jus sanguinis.
    but not all countries that follow jus sanguinis follow jus soli.

    japan, korea, philippines and china, to name a few, don't follow jus soli principle. they are adhering blood relationships as determinant citizenship. but unlike japan, korea and china, we allow dual citizenship.

    another thing, our laws mainly based our citizenship laws to jus sanguinis principle.

    in fact, there three ways to acquire ph citizenship:

    1. by birth if one of your parents is/was filipino at the time of birth;
    2. by election;
    3. by naturalization.

    1 and 2 will consider a filipino a natural-born.

    tweaking our citizenship and immigration laws (those who are born within the philippine territory) will somewhat make our citizenship laws more flexible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    and this ... "The 3rd is to get young promising 12-16 year old african boys,who want to be the best ballers they can be, to school here. That was always how you produce olajuwons and embiids -- or a kouame."

    In all honesty the above steps are more consistent with a true reflection of the quality of basketball programs of the federation and the country. this JC recruitment stuff.. sorry to say but that really is no reflection of the quality output of our programs
    My points exactly. Natumbok mo sir. Your national team and players should be a reflection of your brand of basketball.

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    Why dont we push sbp to do a better job scouting for u16 prospects. IBN is even doing a better job. We like to harvest without even planting.

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    Why dont we push sbp to do a better job scouting for u16 prospects. IBN is even doing a better job. It seems our basketball officials like to harvest without even planting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu_bol View Post
    Why dont we push sbp to do a better job scouting for u16 prospects. IBN is even doing a better job. We like to harvest without even planting.
    tbh, i got pissed off at sbp when i found out that nobody is helping the artest family to secure jeron's passport before he turned 16. jeron and his family which is a good thing. in fact, jeron, his father metta and his mother came here when he was 14 - enough to secure him a passport. wtf is sbp doing by that time?
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    Actually, the present u19 with kouame as naturalized player can compete with top pba teams today. Not only will the u19 have better international experience against very strong teams, it will also be a team-playing rather than merely entertaining team. The u19 can also realistically run a triple tower of mobile and skilled 6'10, 7' and 7'2 at the same time. It would be fun to see how the pba teams will react to a skilled team which is taller at every position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccharmed View Post
    Actually, the present u19 with kouame as naturalized player can compete with top pba teams today. Not only will the u19 have better international experience against very strong teams, it will also be a team-playing rather than merely entertaining team. The u19 can also realistically run a triple tower of mobile and skilled 6'10, 7' and 7'2 at the same time. It would be fun to see how the pba teams will react to a skilled team which is taller at every position.
    Offensively, it wont matter because pinoys have long known how to score against giants from romeo to fajardo. Even diminutive LA revilla has hi arching shot in his arsenal. Its defensively, where we struggle against tall teams. A small team should know to play team defense. The success of our NT depends on how we defend as a team because we are outsized individually. Yan.ang hinahanap ko sa isang NT coach, someone who can make our national teams good defensively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu_bol View Post
    Offensively, it wont matter because pinoys have long known how to score against giants from romeo to fajardo. Even diminutive LA revilla has hi arching shot in his arsenal. Its defensively, where we struggle against tall teams. A small team should know to play team defense. The success of our NT depends on how we defend as a team because we are outsized individually. Yan.ang hinahanap ko sa isang NT coach, someone who can make our national teams good defensively.
    like what tab actually did to iran in 2015. they used zone d to ganged up haddadi. i can actually recall that they used 2-3 zone just to take away the defensive boards from haddadi.
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    Ganito kasi jh at manu, the guys you mentioned that can score at these level of competition unfortunately are the ones who cant keep it up on defense side of things, pick your weapon/poison ika nga... unless we really develop excellent two way players we wouldnt win an asian championship soon (which wala na sa utak ng sbp because of Australia /nz participation in asia cup and asian games)...We just hope that we go to olympics via china"ing" oir group in 2023..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    Ganito kasi jh at manu, the guys you mentioned that can score at these level of competition unfortunately are the ones who cant keep it up on defense side of things, pick your weapon/poison ika nga... unless we really develop excellent two way players we wouldnt win an asian championship soon (which wala na sa utak ng sbp because of Australia /nz participation in asia cup and asian games)...We just hope that we go to olympics via china"ing" oir group in 2023..
    And our better defensive players can't shoot except for Marcio

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    And our better defensive players can't shoot except for Marcio
    So change dynamics of the league, balik na ba sa 2000-2002 era (where we see 60 point games in 48 min game).... We now have the height to do this in asian level nga lang..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    And our better defensive players can't shoot except for Marcio
    you also forgot pogoy. how i wish matthew wright has the same defensive intensity like pogoy and lassiter as well as 3pt prowess of both guys. sayang yung height eh.
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    Underated talaga ang team defense dito. A good zone can stop nba players. Euro teams did this to nba usa teams with high degree of success. Yun nga lng, when these euro players went to the nba, sila rin nasanay na sa man to man

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    So change dynamics of the league, balik na ba sa 2000-2002 era (where we see 60 point games in 48 min game).... We now have the height to do this in asian level nga lang..
    Makes me think why zone isnt more popular in the pba when the only way to stop fajardo is thru it. That basically why the smb-mag series was strtched to 7 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deviant View Post
    Problem is if we change everything in our immigration laws would fiba give us the leeway and will not implement the age "16 rule", i dont think so.
    Still the best thing to do would be the aj edu route where we discover a willing fil-for family to let their kids to play for the flag before he turn 16.
    I really dont get it why one country has to change its constitution over a bag of rice.Considering we had a charter change, what if FIBA changes its rules ? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by manu_bol View Post
    Makes me think why zone isnt more popular in the pba when the only way to stop fajardo is thru it. That basically why the smb-mag series was strtched to 7 games.
    SMB is smart enough to have players that can break the zone like Lassiter, Santos, Cabagnot, Romeo and Pessumal plus stretch Big Nabong...

    Yan ang wala sa Ginebra, no one ot open up the lane for Slaughter and Aguilar. SI Chan lang, injury prone.. THOMPSON with his anemic outside shot dont help their cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu_bol View Post
    Makes me think why zone isnt more popular in the pba when the only way to stop fajardo is thru it. That basically why the smb-mag series was strtched to 7 games.
    SMB is smart enough to have players that can break the zone like Lassiter, Santos, Cabagnot, Romeo and Pessumal plus stretch Big Nabong...

    Yan ang wala sa Ginebra, no one ot open up the lane for Slaughter and Aguilar. SI Chan lang, injury prone.. THOMPSON with his anemic outside shot dont help their cause.

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    They say good defense is an individual ego thing, not knowing that like in offense, defense is well played together..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu_bol View Post
    Why dont we push sbp to do a better job scouting for u16 prospects. IBN is even doing a better job. It seems our basketball officials like to harvest without even planting.
    These basketball officials are just imitating SMB who likes to harvest what others have planted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manu_bol View Post
    Why dont we push sbp to do a better job scouting for u16 prospects. IBN is even doing a better job. It seems our basketball officials like to harvest without even planting.
    Bottom line- this should be our focus, (get more AJs (legit rights to citizenship) passport before 16)

    Forget barking at FIBA as lone wolf crying.. Having said that for truly good players asking for individual exceptions is appropriate. All nations do that

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