Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[IPC]

It's so stupid. Big men in the modern game are expected to be able to play from the the perimeter to the paint and to guard all positions.

Exactly. Our bigman development here's way behind. We're the most in need of developing versatile bigs, why can't majority of local coaches see this?

[mathematicianrcg]

Exactly. Our bigman development here's way behind. We're the most in need of developing versatile bigs, why can't majority of local coaches see this?

Because they are paid to win, and not to develop.

If the development can result to win. They will do it.

But usually, that not's the case. If you are developing someone or some players. Losing will be a big part of it.

And if the coach lose.they will be fired. Hence, no job.

[mathematicianrcg]

Coach M was able to slightly develop perimeter skills of Tamayo and Quiambao, because they are winning at the same time.

But it is a rare case

[IPC]

Because they are paid to win, and not to develop.

If the development can result to win. They will do it.

But usually, that not's the case. If you are developing someone or some players. Losing will be a big part of it.

And if the coach lose.they will be fired. Hence, no job.

Coach M was able to slightly develop perimeter skills of Tamayo and Quiambao, because they are winning at the same time.

But it is a rare case

Well, good thing that some coaches are paid to build a program like Monteverde, Ayo, and Franz Pumaren. It's a develop now, win later. In the case of Ayo, however, while he developed a good offensive system with UST, he somewhat limits the development of his bigs to just shooting, just like I said in another thread. For example, Concepcion, Bataller, and Ando.

People forget, if you wanna stay on top for longer, especially if you're not a hot destination for recruits, you'll have to develop players to succeed the stars you have.

However, I do agree that teams with a modern big as the 5 have to win for that style of development to become a trend. But if that should be the case, why don't the other high school teams follow Monteverde's example in developing Tamayo and Quiambao?

[interxavierxxx]

OT: Really like Bam Adebayo’s style of play. He’s 6’9-6’10 but can hold his own against 7 footers offensively and defensively.

If there is one big man our local 6’8-6’10 bigs should look up to, it’s Bam.

[IPC]

OT: Really like Bam Adebayo’s style of play. He’s 6’9-6’10 but can hold his own against 7 footers offensively and defensively.

If there is one big man our local 6’8-6’10 bigs should look up to, it’s Bam.

That's not OT. You're absolutely right, our bigs should look up to Bam. He's a versatile player on both ends, and as you said, he can hold his own against bigger players.

Locally, I think Ping is the closest to Bam on defense. Hopefully we produce 6'6"-6'8" bigs who play like both. Coaches have to get their bigs used to defending the perimeter. It's gonna help them win, come on. At least experiment.

[interxavierxxx]

That's not OT. You're absolutely right, our bigs should look up to Bam. He's a versatile player on both ends, and as you said, he can hold his own against bigger players.

Locally, I think Ping is the closest to Bam on defense. Hopefully we produce 6'6"-6'8" bigs who play like both. Coaches have to get their bigs used to defending the perimeter. It's gonna help them win, come on. At least experiment.

What I absolutely love is his PnR skills. The guy is a legit PnR big man who can finish.

[IPC]

What I absolutely love is his PnR skills. The guy is a legit PnR big man who can finish.

He can also pass, actually. Hopefully, we can train our bigs to be more involved in PnR actions. Right now, the guards here just take the lion's share of PnR looks.

[IPC]

That's why i mentioned it in Big man forum that we should also focus on other bigs likes of Chiu, Kirkness, etc..., Because we all know Kai and AJ will be not always available.. After 2023 eh we don't have now luxury to do some experimentation because we don't have hosting schedule ahead of us.. We need to qualify via winning qualifiers.. So development will be step back and focus to win.. So giving experience to Chiu, Kirkness, etc..., should be also priority by SBP now.. If they think it that way...

Exactly, we will have to develop the other bigs. Not just Chiu and Kirkness, but also Baltazar, Go, Cariño, Tamayo, Quiambao, Cortez, Ong. Apart from Chiu and Kirkness, hopefully they get used to playing the 4-spot.

[ARMIR]

Exactly, we will have to develop the other bigs. Not just Chiu and Kirkness, but also Baltazar, Go, Cariño, Tamayo, Quiambao, Cortez, Ong. Apart from Chiu and Kirkness, hopefully they get used to playing the 4-spot.

SBP,should id which big men,are good enough for which tournment.Say Chiu and Kirkness will be good enough for SEA GAMES,Jones Cup or ASIAN GAMES and beyond that,they maybe good enough as a backup big men in case,there's injury or the main bigs are no show for some reason or another.

[Sikatrix]

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[Alex07]

OT: Really like Bam Adebayo’s style of play. He’s 6’9-6’10 but can hold his own against 7 footers offensively and defensively.

If there is one big man our local 6’8-6’10 bigs should look up to, it’s Bam.

Probably its because of the combination of athleticism,physical strength,defensive IQ and his 7'3 wingspan.This has been discussed before, although he does not have the longest wingspan, Bam's height to wingspan ratio is considerbly above average and maybe even close to elite.At 6'9 with 7'3 wingspan thats a +6" to his actual height and he's pretty athletic and very smart and strong as well so if you combine the four,not to mention he's a very mobile big so if we combine all those traits, its going to be a special kind of athlete.

Let's say we produce a more mascular,physically and mentally tough, no none sense version of Japeth Aguilar (6'9-6'10 with 7'2 wingspan) with the Defensive IQ of Pingris and the touch of Ranidel.Thats a rare Filipino athlete, but not impossible.

[IPC]

Caperal seems to have average wingspan and no explosiveness. It is not obvious because he is fat for a bball players but Beau is explosive for a local of his weight and has decent wingspan. This makes Beau a decent rim protector at the PBA level. Caperal is a good shooter and seems to have high offenze BBIQ but his below average length and lateral mobility limits his upside. If you want to see a similar player with a higher ceiling look at Go. Similar height but longer wingspan and better team defender.

Agreed on Beau. He's actually quick and can take take the ball coast-to-coast on a fastbreak. He's actually a kind of big we want in our 6'6"-6'8" bigs, offensively. Quick and versatile.

Yeng may have his faults, but he actually aided in the development of the Extra Rice into modern bigs. Versatile bigs on offense. They're strong (and a little overweight) bigs, but are quite quick, and have the skills of a guard, especially Beau. Good thing there are traces of his bigman development program in RoS after he left, which helped develop Ponferada and Torres into more versatile bigs on offense.

[Dotch]

That's not OT. You're absolutely right, our bigs should look up to Bam. He's a versatile player on both ends, and as you said, he can hold his own against bigger players.

Locally, I think Ping is the closest to Bam on defense. Hopefully we produce 6'6"-6'8" bigs who play like both. Coaches have to get their bigs used to defending the perimeter. It's gonna help them win, come on. At least experiment.

Well Bam maybe short in InterBasket PH's big-man's standards, but he is NO way small. He has a 7'3 wingspan and weighs 255 lbs of pure chiseled muscles.

To put it into perspective, imagine a half-a-ruler taller Vic Manuel, then put at least 30 more pounds of muscles on him, and more than 15 inches of additional arms-reach.

For me, he's a less scary but more athletic version of another "undersized" big, Ben Wallace

[thatweirdguy]

Well Bam maybe short in InterBasket PH's big-man's standards, but he is NO way small. He has a 7'3 wingspan and weighs 255 lbs of pure chiseled muscles.

To put it into perspective, imagine a half-a-ruler taller Vic Manuel, then put at least 30 more pounds of muscles on him, and more than 15 inches of additional arms-reach.

For me, he's a less scary but more athletic version of another "undersized" big, Ben Wallace

He's strong as heck. Deandre Ayton who's 7 ft and 250 lbs himself can't move him inside the paint. And Ayton is pretty strong himself. If we got him as our staring C we're almost guaranteed a podium finish in FIBA Asia.

Ben Wallace who can pass and dribble a bit is a good comparison.