Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[ccharmed]

I think the most serious problem in developing guys with the right size and athleticism for fiba wars is the school-centric nature of player development. The thrust was always getting honors for schools rather than the country. This is natural, of course, since fund endowments are given by wealthy sponsors and alumni by school.

However you cut it though, school-oriented team balling will never achieve the dedicated individualized development through tsf-style training.

For instance, which of the numerous bigs collected by NU would realistically match up well with the tsf-developed sotto or tolentino? This goes the same for other well-funded baller programs like for ateneo.

Sustaining high-level presence at the world stage will require a pipeline for sending every year about 3-5 of the highest potential 6'5 and taller players to the usa for a minimum two-year development.

Why the usa? Because you cant find the tall to very tall, quick to very quick, muscled to heavily muscled kids and pros against whom they can practice in real-world fiba and nba level competition. Within just among the few tsf gladiator trainees or allied competitors, there are 6'9 to 7'4 trainees who are far more gifted than the entire collection of same-age kids for the whole philippines.

Put another way, do you expect the tamayo and quiambao duo that easily stopped the skeletony kai and bumbling geo in high school to stop a two-year tsf-trained kai? Yes, you know these nu boys will just be collecting fouls, and looking really bad in one-on-one domination plays. The nu tall boys are skill-doomed already by being forced to play -- probably for the rest of their baller life like fajardo -- against local pygmy centers and power forwards.

[mathematicianrcg]

I think the most serious problem in developing guys with the right size and athleticism for fiba wars is the school-centric nature of player development. The thrust was always getting honors for schools rather than the country. This is natural, of course, since fund endowments are given by wealthy sponsors and alumni by school.

However you cut it though, school-oriented team balling will never achieve the dedicated individualized development through tsf-style training.

For instance, which of the numerous bigs collected by NU would realistically match up well with the tsf-developed sotto or tolentino? This goes the same for other well-funded baller programs like for ateneo.

Sustaining high-level presence at the world stage will require a pipeline for sending every year about 3-5 of the highest potential 6'5 and taller players to the usa for two-year development.

Why the usa? Because you cant find the tall to very tall, quick to very quick, muscled to heavily muscled kids and pros against whom they can practice in real-world fiba and nba level competition.

Put another way, do you expect the tamayo and quiambao duo that easily stopped the skeletony kai and bumbling geo in high school to stop a two-year tsf-trained kai. Yes, you know these nu boys will just be collecting fouls, and looking really bad in one-on-one plays. The nu tall boys are skill-doomed already by being forced to play against local pygmy centers and power forwards.

Agreed.

If you will tsf trained Tamayo and Quiambao, that will be a different story. Kai and Sage will still win, but not easily.

In Short, What you are saying is

In the Philippines, there is no enough competition for our Tall and agile bigs. That is why Skeleton Kai dominated Uaap.
That is not the case in US or Tsf, it is the opposite.

But to be fair, we are not as rich as USA. And the funds for our Sports is significantly smaller than funds of US in their Sports.

Training facility pa lang at trainers, talong talo na tayo

[live_evil]

best to send our best prospects abroad so they will be used to playing with trees. Castro even if he was the best pt guard in Asia played awkwardly against the Chinese frontline, what more with World Class Teams?

[ccharmed]

best to send our best prospects abroad so they will be used to playing with trees. Castro even if he was the best pt guard in Asia played awkwardly against the Chinese frontline, what more with World Class Teams?

Hehehe. You dont get to live long if you are the mouse in the forest floor.

[Alex07]

wait he's 6 foot 8 at 15 years old? Maybe he'll end up around 6'10 or 6'11 if very lucky.Hoping to find more kids like this

[mathematicianrcg]

wait he's 6 foot 8 at 15 years old? Maybe he'll end up around 6'10 or 6'11 if very lucky.Hoping to find more kids like this

Demisana should accept EWP real quick. He said that he wants to play for the Nba too.

Hope JV Papa will not be so addicted to video games. He is wasting his potential. He is a 6'9 Fil- Italian. I cannot even see him ay ball.

Joemakio Nikoro should develop. He is still in team B of adamson.

As, I said the next Pure/Homegrown/Local(However you call it) Filipino that can play in the Nba after Kai Sotto is Heinz Gabriel "Kobe" Demisana.

What a coincidence Kai and Heinz are both lefty and have skeleton body when they are 15 yrs old

[TheRodster21]

One of the most athletic sports in the world. Requires you to be extremely strong but also very explosive and fast. The Philippines also happens to have a bobsled team, these guys are probably freakish athletes:https://youtu.be/w7AUxtQPpTQ

[TheRodster21]

Demisana should accept EWP real quick. He said that he wants to play for the Nba too.

Hope JV Papa will not be so addicted to video games. He is wasting his potential. He is a 6'9 Fil- Italian. I cannot even see him ay ball.

Joemakio Nikoro should develop. He is still in team B of adamson.

As, I said the next Pure/Homegrown/Local(However you call it) Filipino that can play in the Nba after Kai Sotto is Heinz Gabriel "Kobe" Demisana.

What a coincidence Kai and Heinz are both lefty and have skeleton body when they are 15 yrs old

Right now difference between Kai and Demisana, kai’s father was 6’7 and his mother 6’0. I think Demisana’s father isn’t that tall, he might not reach past 6’10. Unless he gets past 6’10 it’ll be hard to take him seriously as an nba prospect.

[mathematicianrcg]

Right now difference between Kai and Demisana, kai’s father was 6’7 and his mother 6’0. I think Demisana’s father isn’t that tall, he might not reach past 6’10. Unless he gets past 6’10 it’ll be hard to take him seriously as an nba prospect.

Good Point.

But I think Demisana have mini gigantism(Based on his chin). I am sure he will be 6'10 atleast.

Besides, If Demisana will end up 6'8. Ewp and Tsf will develop his as a wing. He have the skills.

[Alex07]

One of the most athletic sports in the world. Requires you to be extremely strong but also very explosive and fast. The Philippines also happens to have a bobsled team, these guys are probably freakish athletes:https://youtu.be/w7AUxtQPpTQ

Demisana needs that vertical jump training amd of course strength/weight and core training.Hopefully by next year he could easily dunk on a FIBA standard rim.I hope Henjz,Lopez and Sage gets to play in TSF next year and be recruited in D1 schools later on.

[Dotch]

One of the most athletic sports in the world. Requires you to be extremely strong but also very explosive and fast. The Philippines also happens to have a bobsled team, these guys are probably freakish athletes:https://youtu.be/w7AUxtQPpTQ

That's why the Caribbean tropical island nation of Jamaica, known for their beaches, reggae, and world class sprinters are rated highly in both the men and women's division.

[TheRodster21]

That's why the Caribbean tropical island nation of Jamaica, known for their beaches, reggae, and world class sprinters are rated highly in both the men and women's division.

Jamaica is more of a meme team. People root for them because they’re the underdogs since they are a tropical country but the potential I imagine is there. Still I’m curious how the Filipino team could do in the future, they’re made up of members of the Philippines champion dragonboat team. Pushing a sled though is a great way to improve explosiveness and speed as well as jumping. Putting a bunch of weight on a sled and pushing it across a surface requires you to put a large amount of force into the ground to move forward. Alternative if you’re strong and advanced enough is a car

[analyzed]

I think the most serious problem in developing guys with the right size and athleticism for fiba wars is the school-centric nature of player development. The thrust was always getting honors for schools rather than the country. This is natural, of course, since fund endowments are given by wealthy sponsors and alumni by school.

However you cut it though, school-oriented team balling will never achieve the dedicated individualized development through tsf-style training.

For instance, which of the numerous bigs collected by NU would realistically match up well with the tsf-developed sotto or tolentino? This goes the same for other well-funded baller programs like for ateneo.

Sustaining high-level presence at the world stage will require a pipeline for sending every year about 3-5 of the highest potential 6'5 and taller players to the usa for a minimum two-year development.

Why the usa? Because you cant find the tall to very tall, quick to very quick, muscled to heavily muscled kids and pros against whom they can practice in real-world fiba and nba level competition. Within just among the few tsf gladiator trainees or allied competitors, there are 6'9 to 7'4 trainees who are far more gifted than the entire collection of same-age kids for the whole philippines.

Put another way, do you expect the tamayo and quiambao duo that easily stopped the skeletony kai and bumbling geo in high school to stop a two-year tsf-trained kai? Yes, you know these nu boys will just be collecting fouls, and looking really bad in one-on-one domination plays. The nu tall boys are skill-doomed already by being forced to play -- probably for the rest of their baller life like fajardo -- against local pygmy centers and power forwards.

It's actually spot on, the problem goes down even all the way to early high school years, where winning for the school takes priority over individual development, if that means playing lopez exclusively at center in 1st and 2nd year high school so be it.

When NU faced the US NBTC team of Green , instead of challenging Tamayo defensively one on one , what NU did what was most sensible thing to win, play zone, and put Tamayo inside in the middle , not on Green outside one on one in the perimeter. Naks parang ang talino lol as repeatedly mentioned our problem from high school all the way to pros is systemic !

[lurklurk]

As long as SBP does not recognize that there is a problem in player development, there will be no progress. The problem is systemic--i agree. All the workarounds now (sending prospects abroad, player-initiated individual traning, etc) are all just band-aid solutions if you think about it.

[TheRodster21]

As long as SBP does not recognize that there is a problem in player development, there will be no progress. The problem is systemic--i agree. All the workarounds now (sending prospects abroad, player-initiated individual traning, etc) are all just band-aid solutions if you think about it.

They probably do recognize it but at the end of the day what are they going to do? They clearly don’t have the power when the pba and schools can hold Gilas prospects hostage and they have all the bargaining chips. Also I’m sure the people in charge of these schools realize the problem but do they care enough about the national team? At the end of the day it’s about money, these kids have agents in high school and endorsements already, do we expect them to throw that away to join a national team with no guarantee of their future or go to another country that won’t be provide the same level of allowances for them and their family? The only thing realistically possible is to have an organization like EWP sponsor them to go abroad. Doesn’t have to be EWP but either go abroad or do like the ateneo college team and hire a world class coach to develop players.

Also a two way street, the prospects make money but what coach Tab said about the PBA making “stars” holds true in high school and college, hype up a star player to bring attention and people watch the games, but merchandise essentially spend money. Why would say the UAAP want these guys to leave?