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    Friendly Games

    2008.6.28 Germany 76 Poland 62
    2008.6.30 Germany 92 Poland 70
    2008.7.04 Germany 83 Puerto Rico 85
    2008.7.05 Germany 77 Slovenia 67
    2008.7.09 Germany 86 Canada 91
    2008.7.11 Germany 84 Canada 74
    2008.7.31 Germany 78 Finland 67

    Olympic Qualifying Tournament

    2008.7.15 Germany 104 Cape Verde 68
    2008.7.16 Germany 89 New Zealand 71
    2008.7.18 Germany 79 Brazil 65
    2008.7.19 Germany 70 Croatia 76
    2008.7.20 Germany 96 Puerto Rico 82

    29th Olympic Games

    2008.8.10 Germany 95 Angola 66
    2008.8.12 Germany 64 Greece 87
    2008.8.14 Germany 59 Spain 72
    2008.8.16 Germany 55 China 59
    2008.8.18 Germany 57 USA 106
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    germany has got this secured, ITS THE BIG GERMAN!
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    Today Head Coach Dirk Bauermann extended his contract with the NT for five years and quit his coaching job in Bamberg to work full time for the NT.
    Altough he might be a good tournament (motivation) coach, I don't think it's a good solution for the future as his views on basketball are somewhat old-fashioned compared to today's successful modern spanish/argentinian philosophies for instance and he's not the best at working with young players.
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    care to enlighten. is he like a jeff vangundy old fashion coach or jerry sloan where its make or break and if you are young you are viewed as riding the bench until youve seen a few yrs of playing time





    Quote Originally Posted by DanMajerle
    Altough he might be a good tournament (motivation) coach, I don't think it's a good solution for the future as his views on basketball are somewhat old-fashioned compared to today's successful modern spanish/argentinian philosophies for instance and he's not the best at working with young players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanMajerle
    Today Head Coach Dirk Bauermann extended his contract with the NT for five years and quit his coaching job in Bamberg to work full time for the NT.
    Altough he might be a good tournament (motivation) coach, I don't think it's a good solution for the future as his views on basketball are somewhat old-fashioned compared to today's successful modern spanish/argentinian philosophies for instance and he's not the best at working with young players.
    Yes, that's pretty much my opinion too. I hope everything works fine, but there's always the chance of a sack
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    The german 19-men roster was announced today:

    Steffen Hamann - PG/1.94m/1981 (Brose Baskets Bamberg)
    Pascal Roller - PG/1.80m/1976 (DB Skyliners Frankfurt)
    Mithat Demirel - PG/1.85m/1978 (Brose Baskets Bamberg)
    Gordon Geib - PG/1.80m/1983 (Bayer Giants Leverkusen)
    Dominik Bahiense de Mello - PG/SG/1.90m/1985 (DB Skyliners Frankfurt)
    Demond Greene - SG/1.85m/1979 (Brose Baskets Bamberg)
    Robert Garrett - SG/1.92m/1977 (Brose Baskets Bamberg)
    Johannes Herber - SG/SF/1.97m/1983 (ALBA Berlin)
    Philip Zwiener - SF/2.01m/1985 (ALBA Berlin)
    Ademola Okulaja - SF/PF/2.06m/1975 (Brose Baskets Bamberg)
    Konrad Wysocki - SF/PF/2.02m/1982 (ratiopharm Ulm)
    Julian Sensley - SF/PF/2.06m/1982 (Colorado 14ers)
    Dirk Nowitzki - PF/2.13m/1978 (Dallas Mavericks)
    Jan-Hendrik Jagla - PF/2.13m/1981 (Joventut Badalona)
    Sven Schultze - PF/2.08m/1978 (Snaidero Udine)
    Guido Grünheid - PF/2.06m/1982 (Hanzevast Capital Groningen)
    Yassin Idbihi - PF/2.08m/1983 (Cologne 99ers)
    Patrick Femerling - C/2.15m/1975 (ALBA Berlin)
    Tim Ohlbrecht - C/2.10m/1988 (Brose Baskets Bamberg)

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    Nice to see Wysocki getting rewarded for a very good season. Good that Ohlbrecht, Idbihi, de Mello, Geib and Zwiener are in there. I'm rather pessimistic about their chances of making the final roster though. Sensley I don't understand at all. Others (Demirel?) clearly don't deserve it as for their performances throughout the season, but I never expected Bauermann to break up his core. Demirel etc. have been part of the team for years. I'm actually surprised Stephen Arigbabu isn't in there.

    Imo it will look as follows:
    PG Steffen Hamann - PG Pascal Roller - PG Mithat Demirel
    SG Demond Greene - SG/SF Robert Garrett
    SF/PF Ademola Okulaja - SG/SF Johannes Herber - SF Konrad Wysocki
    PF Dirk Nowitzki - PF Sven Schultze
    C Patrick Femerling - PF Jan-Hendrik Jagla

    Maybe another player instead of Wysocki on the 12th roster spot. This is basically the Spain '07 roster. Don't confuse this roster with my own personal wishlist, it's just how I think Bauermann will do it. We also have to wait and see what happens with Kaman. We've had differents statements lately. There should be a result of the talks soon.

    Germany has a rather easy qualifying round (but don't take anything for granted there, this team won't dominate anyone, they just grind out results), but after that, either Brazil or Greece wait. I'm not sold on Brazil, a squad loaded with talent, but they've yet to produce. We shouldn't be able to beat Greece in Athens usually, but on the other hand they have their own problems and let's see in what kind of state they show up in Athens.

    I'm totally unemotional about this team I must admit, as they don't play the basketball I like. That has nothing to do with being defensive-minded, which I like, it's that philosophy to simply put the ball into Dirks hands and wait and see what he does. Uninspirational, non-creative basketball. Another reason is the federations approach towards the NT roster, "signing" US-players doesn't do it for me, and that has nothing to do with them not being "German" (this is a wide term anyway, and I have no problems at all with all the black players and other players with foreign roots on the roster), it just totally defeats the purpose of a national team, if you decide to naturalise a few foreign players to have a bit of success in the short-term. I've always defended the national team against unfounded attacks towards Okulaja, Garrett etc., but this is where it stops. A third and no less important point is the fact that a well-known BBL club manager got offered a contract by the federation. Someone who has proven over the years by some very, very questionable statements which haven't all seen public daylight and I cannot explain further in an open forum, that he is an absolute no-go for the official federation of a country (and any other country too of course) that has - to understate a bit - a history with certain problems. The federation can do whatever it wants. They obviously don't know what they're doing.

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    Yeah the team generally looks unchanged (and old). I also don't get why Sensley is there, I guess it became clear he's not up to the standards. Also Okulaja had a subpar season right? It would be nice if Ohlbrecht could make the final roster, it's time for this kid to break loose. I actually don't know any of the new incorporations, but it looks like the NT renovation is not there yet. Well, at some point Bauermann will have to do it in the upcoming years, unless he's kicked.
    How about Kaman? How's his naturalisation process?
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    hello.someone know where buy the jersey of german´s team?thanks

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    Here is the main place to buy all the DBB stuff. I don't know how much those things usually cost. But 59 Euros for the jersey and 39 for the shorts? Damn ...

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    06/30/08 Germany - Poland, Berlin - Max-Schmeling-Halle

    I´m desperately looking for any kind of Polish fan organization in Germany whose members are going to accompany each other for the match in Berlin.
    I´ve already asked the Polish basketball association if they´ve got a connection to Polish fanclubs in Germany, but I have not received an answer yet.
    Could anyone help me to find out how the Polish fans are going to organize on 30.06.08?

    Thank you very much!

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    As DBB head Ingo Weiss confirmed, the naturalisation procedure for Chris Kaman is in full swing and it is now up to the department of the interior to decide.

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    So Kaman might come over. There's currently a big discussion in Germany about this. I'm really interested in what people from other countries think. Is this the right thing to do? No diplomacy please, say what you think.

    Beware: This is not about German demography (which is multicultural, multiethnical), hence not about the Okulajas and Demirels. It's about "signing" high-calibre players to improve the national team in the short term. Like Kaman, or earlier in Germany, Shawn Bradley. People that are exclusively naturalised in order to improve the basketball team in the short term future.

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    I am not exactly in favour of that... but afterall Slovenia got Arriel McDonald playing for us in the past, while Čapin/Preldžić are also considered as naturalised right now, so I guess I'll be just quiet...

    it's on Fiba to change that. I understand it was meant as a good thing trying to give some quality aditions to the low level NT's and consequently increasing the interest for some national teams, but in the end it's the top teams that are abusing that.
    Still NT's without naturalised players such as Lithuania, Croatia, Serbia, France or others get more respect because of it from my part...
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    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan
    I am not exactly in favour of that... but afterall Slovenia got Arriel McDonald playing for us in the past, while Čapin/Preldžić are also considered as naturalised right now, so I guess I'll be just quiet...
    What's the background on Capin and Preldzic? I mean, I'm sure those two cases differ from Kaman's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbe
    So Kaman might come over. There's currently a big discussion in Germany about this. I'm really interested in what people from other countries think. Is this the right thing to do? No diplomacy please, say what you think.
    I don't exactly see anything wrong about it. All in all he has German ancestors, it's a quite differente case from players that get a FYROMian, Bulgarian or Georgian passport even if they have nothing to do with those countries or stepped there for a few hours. If the player's interested and there are valid reasons for a naturalisation, so be it.
    As for achieving success in the short term rather than developing and working with young players, that's another issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbe
    What's the background on Capin and Preldzic? I mean, I'm sure those two cases differ from Kaman's.
    both were overlooked by the Bosnian federation and playing in Slovenia, requested for citizenship (to make it easier with the EU and Visa issues), can't recall on what exactly was going on with Čapin (that was few years ago), but Emir played for Slovan's junior team, expected an invitation for U18 and as he didn't get one for U20 and as his passport appeared just in time, he decided to play for Slovenia U20 - he exploded there and made BiH U18 coach look like... hm...
    BiH also lost Begić, Rizvić in a simmilar way, which is even worse or them considering BiH Croats normaly decide for Croatia (Planinić, Bogdanović, Barać, Markota... just to name a few) and BiH Serbs decide to represent Serbia (Radmanović, Ilić, Danilović, Avdalović)... Slovenia also had Teoman Alibegović in the early 90ies... so some bosniaks aren't exactly happy with the fact their federation lets bball players go that easily...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan
    both were overlooked by the Bosnian federation and playing in Slovenia, requested for citizenship (to make it easier with the EU and Visa issues), can't recall on what exactly was going on with Čapin (that was few years ago), but Emir played for Slovan's junior team, expected an invitation for U18 and as he didn't get one for U20 and as his passport appeared just in time, he decided to play for Slovenia U20 - he exploded there and made BiH U18 coach look like... hm...
    BiH also lost Begić, Rizvić in a simmilar way, which is even worse or them considering BiH Croats normaly decide for Croatia (Planinić, Bogdanović, Barać, Markota... just to name a few) and BiH Serbs decide to represent Serbia (Radmanović, Ilić, Danilović, Avdalović)... Slovenia also had Teoman Alibegović in the early 90ies... so some bosniaks aren't exactly happy with the fact their federation lets bball players go that easily...
    What they want to do against it? It is normal that a Serb wants to play for Serbia if he can and not for BIH. Serbs so or so don´t respect BIH. They have 49% of the country with the Republic of Sprska and they decide alone what they do.

    But the difference by the Croats and Serbs is that the Serbs become players in Serbia. The Croats sistemacly get everything from BIH and some players as Barac and Planinic played in BIH clubs. Barac never played for a croatian club from croatia. In the BIH NT there are no Croats. Serbians and Bosjnaks are playing.

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    GER - Herber Out For Germany, Rouven Roessler Called In

    HAGEN (FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men) – Johannes Herber will not be able to help Germany in their bid to reach the Beijing Games because he has yet to return to full fitness following a knee operation.

    Herber went under the knife after tearing a knee ligament in practice with Alba Berlin last October.

    His absence will be a big blow for the Germans as they attempt to claim one of three spots for Beijing at the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament in Athens.

    Germany coach Dirk Bauermann said: "It's a shame for us because Joe has been a very important part of the national team the last two years.

    “We wish him a prompt and complete recovery."


    Herber averaged 5.0 points and 1.7 rebounds - including scoring 15 and grabbing six boards against Italy to help Germany reach the quarter-finals.

    Rouven Roessler of Giessen has been called in to the preliminary squad.

    Germany are in Group B of the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament with New Zealand and Cape Verde.
    http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/new...5844/arti.html

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    Good player on small BBL teams. Actually the best German scorer in the BBL. Now he makes the preliminary roster, everybody's happy, but he was allowed to put up a lot shots on his last team and will have big big problems adjusting to Bauermanns style imo. Not a candidate for the 12-man-roster.

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