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    When's Laurynas Birutis expected to be back from his surgery? Might he be ready to challenge Martinas Geben at camp this summer?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hepcat View Post
    When's Laurynas Birutis expected to be back from his surgery? Might he be ready to challenge Martinas Geben at camp this summer?

    Last time I heard about it, it should've been June/July. I doubt if he will instantly move to NT camps, most likely will prepare for the season with Zalgiris, trying to get into shape bit by bit


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    Man, I can't believe how much Sedekerskis fucked with this Baskonia thing. Last game he looked really decent, but last night again not a single minute for him It's not like sucks. He would be a flat out best player of Neptunas right now, I have little doubt. Velimir Perasović is loser who hasn't won anything for 5 years now.

    Now Kulboka suffers of the lack of playing time for the first season, but it's not what he expected obviously after being drafted. I sure hope Hornets will take him. Spend time with NBA specialists, play in the D league, but don't wash freakin' Bamberg's bench. And the coach is a thirty four years kid with a beard, a fucking no name who probably shitting his pants thinking about losing his job if he will risk with a youngster. The only positive that Kulboka surely had time to work on his body and from recent highlights he is completely different player body wise, doesn't look like a headless skinny chicken any more.

    The lesson? Get the fuck out from Spain, Italy, Germany and play in Lithuania. Lekavicius, Giedraitis, Ulanovas, Gudaitis and now Sirvydis, Jokubaitis, Masiulis, Jogela examples showing that it's a way better choice to develop in Lithuania early in PRO stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    The lesson? Get the fuck out from Spain, Italy, Germany and play in Lithuania. Lekavicius, Giedraitis, Ulanovas, Gudaitis and now Sirvydis, Jokubaitis, Masiulis, Jogela examples showing that it's a way better choice to develop in Lithuania early in PRO stage.
    I agree! Riding the bench wherever is not a good way for a youngster to develop basketball skills. For that game experience is critical.

    The only caveat I might add is playing for a team other than one loaded with high-priced foreigners such as Žalgiris or Rytas is an even more effective way for a young fellow to get decent playing time.


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    It all goes down to circumstances usually and how talented actually kid is. Lot o guys are too hyped by media and fans, while aren't that good in reality. The same way you can screw up in Lithuania, the same way you can be good in some foreign league. If you're really that good, you're working hard, you have no health issues - you'll find your way througth. For Sedekerskis injuries ruined the most. Kulboka also had tough time with injuries this season, but actually I never was too hyped about him either, too one dimensional player for my taste


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    For Sedekerskis injuries ruined the most. Kulboka also had tough time with injuries this season, but actually I never was too hyped about him either, too one dimensional player for my taste
    No-one is really hyping them too much, but both are big talents for our standards, IMO. If we praise and happy for Grigonis now f.e. and he's surely a refreshing material to both Zalgiris and NT, Sedekerskis and Kulboka have been and I think still are at the different level as a prospects. Sedekerskis dominated Youth basketball the way Griginis never did or was even close to. Kulboka has even bigger upside if he will toughen up his body, used to be very raw, still somewhat is. Even with the struggling scenario (specially Sedekerskis), I expect both to have bigger careers than Grigonis. And that means those are really big talents. They're in the same category as Brazdeikis, Sirvydis and probably Kancleris, Tubelis. That is borderline or actual NBA material. If Sedekerskis transition to PRO's level was smoother and basketball wasn't falling that much towards shooting, he would be very much wanted all around defensive, tough NBA SF. It wasn't just injuries, mainly it's a lack of playing time. The only positive is that whenever he came to Youth tournament he dominated, no matter had he washed the bench or not. I assume quality training with string competitors leaved a positive mark, but the feeling for the game and experience is still missed.
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    Here's A word on Tubelis and Marciulionis in ANG. Tubelis is panning out as legitimate NBA 2021 draft material, Marciulionis still struggling with some components of the game (I really liked one stretch of NKL season he had and he basically dominated for a month or so, but generally I expected him to be more physical overall. He is not Sarunas in terms of physicality, but I'm still high on him as a prospect):



    Azuolas Tubelis
    Rytas Vilnius

    Age: 17.1 Height:6’8″ Nationality: Lithuania
    Tournament Stats: 26.5 Min, 22 Pts, 9.7 Reb, 0.3 Ast, 1.3 Stl, 1.7 Blk
    Shooting Splits %: 46.4 / 30.8 / 62.5

    Physical tools. Really good physical profile for an NBA forward standing at 6-foot-8. Has a good combination of size, length, mobility and coordination. Explosive enough to play above the rim and finish through contact.
    Defensive versatility. Energetic and engaged defender that uses his tools to be effective both in the paint and on the perimeter. His combination of length, leaping ability and defensive awareness allow him to block shots and be a factor on the defensive boards. Has enough mobility to stay in front of quicker perimeter players. Uses his length to disrupt plays, covering entry passes, getting steals and deflections. Plays with energy on defense. 17 DRB%, 5 BLK% and 3.8 STL% through 49 games of the 2018-19 season.
    Ball-handling. Fluid with the ball in his hands for his size. Can attack closeouts driving from the perimeter. Has enough quickness and fluidity to get by slower bigs off the dribble. Good speed with the ball in his hands in the open court, and can occasionally run the offense in transition after coming down with a rebound.
    Passing flashes. Has shown vision to find teammates on kickouts. Can make plays for others and pass to open shooters out of the high post. Finds teammates at awkward angles and delivers the ball through tight spaces. Can occasionally drive-and-kick. Played more on-ball for Lithuania at the U16 European Championship last summer where he put up 4.2 ast per 36 minutes.
    Interior offense. Explosive player who can finish through contact/length in catch-and-finish situations. Difficult to handle if he finds an open lane to the basket either as a roll man or handling the ball. Gets really good extension going to the rim. Doesn’t have a lot of moves with his back to the basket, but shows good touch as a finisher in simple post-ups. Active on the offensive glass.
    Shooting. Can occasionally convert a 3-pointer but it’s not a consistent part of his game yet. Flat shooting arc with a lot of attempts rimming out because of it. Shoots exclusively off the catch, as pulling up is not a part of his skill set. Career 26.5% from 3 on 180+ attempts.
    Ball security. Can get the ball stolen when he handles in traffic. Not the best ball control against pressure. Lacks accuracy as a passer. Hands could improve, as he can bobble passes and rebounds.

    Overall: Tubelis is a tremendously interesting player as his combination of physical tools, ball skills, awareness and effort make him a potential two-way versatile combo forward. Eligible for the draft in 2021, it will be interesting to see if Tubelis can improve on those flashes of passing and handling, and develop into a secondary creator at the pro level.



    Augustas Marciulionis
    Rytas Vilnius

    Age: 17.1 Height:6’2″ Nationality: Lithuania
    Tournament Stats: 28.4 Min, 13.3 Pts, 4 Reb, 4 Ast, 1 Stl, 0.3 Blk
    Shooting Splits %: 39.4 / 20.0 / 75.0

    All-around passing. Floor general type of guard. Controls the tempo of the offense, plays with tremendous poise and court awareness for his age. Has a knack for breaking down the defense and attracting double teams, which he exploits time and time again finding the open man. Really good vision on the move, and is quick to react to opposing defenders. Really good passing out of drives and can find teammates in the corner with ease. Creative with his deliveries and can find teammates all across the court in a different number of ways. Really good as a transition passer taking advantage of opponent’s defensive miscommunications in the early offense to find open teammates.
    Ball-handling/driving. Quick handler who can change speeds and directions to get where he wants on the floor. Excellent body control in tight spaces. Can split defenders in pick-and-roll and get into the lane with ease. Polished for his age as a handler, and has both crossovers and hesitation dribbles that allow him to create space to drive.
    Defensive potential. Quick defender at the point of attack. Good at staying in front of opposing ball-handlers in a man defense. Mobile and quick to react to opponents. Good timing to take charges. Uses his length well getting in the passing lanes for steals and deflections. Career 2.9 steals per 36 minutes.
    Finishing at the rim. Touch at the rim comes and goes. Has shown the occasional ability of converting floaters and finishing through contact. Lacks a degree of vertical explosiveness to be effective finishing at the rim without elite touch. 42.3 percent from inside the arc this season.
    Shooting. Has shown some flashes as a shooter, but results are not there yet. Mechanics are not the main issue which makes me wonder if the issue is just shooting touch. Career 24.7 from 3 and 63.9 from the foul line marks.

    Overall: Marciulionis showed his ability to run an offense and put pressure on opposing defenders at ANGT. Marciulionis has made small improvements as a shooter; after shooting 11.1 percent from 3 at the U16 Championships last year, he’s at 26.5 percent this year while also improving on his shot volume. Despite his ability to create offense for others and be a plus defender at the point of attack, it’s hard to see Marciulionis as an NBA-caliber initiator unless he starts to improve as a shooter and as a scorer off the bounce before he’s draft eligible in 2021.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    No-one is really hyping them too much, but both are big talents for our standards, IMO.
    No one is hyping anymore for obvious reasons, but lot of were hyping. But I meant not only them, but overall situation in our talent pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    If we praise and happy for Grigonis now f.e. and he's surely a refreshing material to both Zalgiris and NT, Sedekerskis and Kulboka have been and I think still are at the different level as a prospects. Sedekerskis dominated Youth basketball the way Griginis never did or was even close to. Kulboka has even bigger upside if he will toughen up his body, used to be very raw, still somewhat is. Even with the struggling scenario (specially Sedekerskis), I expect both to have bigger careers than Grigonis. And that means those are really big talents. They're in the same category as Brazdeikis, Sirvydis and probably Kancleris, Tubelis. That is borderline or actual NBA material. If Sedekerskis transition to PRO's level was smoother and basketball wasn't falling that much towards shooting, he would be very much wanted all around defensive, tough NBA SF. It wasn't just injuries, mainly it's a lack of playing time. The only positive is that whenever he came to Youth tournament he dominated, no matter had he washed the bench or not. I assume quality training with string competitors leaved a positive mark, but the feeling for the game and experience is still missed.
    Grigonis never was standout prospect, nor I was ever hyping him. But to me he looked like a sure deal to become not a star, but a solid Euro player, like some Jankunas once i.e. Grigonis had talent, it was obvious that he does good in youth tournament not for being more physicaly gifted or smth, he had IQ on court,right attitude off court and he was working hard = you have a result. It's small details you can notice in player. Sedekerskis looked more talented and I saw big future ahead of him, at least in Europe, also I know his father, so I know that Tadas has right attitude and works hard either, but injuries ruined a lot. If not it, he would've had that playing time he needed. Now he gets back from injury, starts to play and bam - another injury. He comes back to squad now, when the season is rolling and even about to end, it's crazy hard to get into roster and play, he'll need time. It's a very bad luck what happened to him. Kulboka had talent, but I never was too hyped as I wrote. I always had a feeling that his transition to senior bball will be very tough and might cost him a lot of time, work and might ruin a lot too.
    I can't tell about current generation, I must admit I barely saw Tubelis, Tubutis, Kancleris and co


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    I agree about Sedekerskis generally. I still think he'll be alright if injuries won't follow him, but he needs to play.

    As for Kulboka, I had an impression many people thought or thinking about him the way you do, and I was also leaned towards that, but with him is that intriguing upside. While Sedekerskis is so much more polished player and already as a 19yo did so many things well (he nearly went for a triple doubles in some games in WC, as 15/9/7), Kulboka was very raw and can add a lot to his game. After few years he might pan out into a swan from the ugly duckly.
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    Masiulis can't be ignored being so solid. First, playing well in Neptunas and second, making a tremendous performance against Lietkabelis - 33 pts. 46 EFF is a new LKL play off games record. He wasn't the most talented player in his generation - there were Sedekerskis and Kulboka, but the game is not only about talent, but about other things as well. Zalgiris is a tough place for the youngsters in terms of playing time nowadays, as there are serious goals in EL, but Masiulis can replace Jankunas in a year or so. It may happen a right decision to keep him instead of Echodas.

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    To be fair until 2006/07 PIR didn't include fouls committed and received and shots rejected. Gytis earned 10 PIR points by drawing 11 fouls and committing 1. Best performance of Current Statistical Era was 42 PIRpoints by Davies last spring

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    I saw a guy called "Butkus" in the tbf international u16 Tournement in Turkey. He is clearly more matured than the most of his opponents in his generation. And he resembles Doncic a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    I saw a guy called "Butkus" in the tbf international u16 Tournement in Turkey. He is clearly more matured than the most of his opponents in his generation. And he resembles Doncic a lot.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zv0NI25V0Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    And he resembles Doncic a lot.
    In what way? I mean that's a heck of comparison, one of the craftiest players in the game ever.
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    Here's Kancleris action in ANGT. Extremely raw, but the upside is pretty great. If he will add mass, skill and mobility to that frame, he can be very interesting forward:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-0s6R-zfZk

    Here's Paulius Murauskas. Extremely smooth and skilled big, 15yo. Named rising star of ANGT. The biggest question is how much he can add to his 202cm if any? He is nearly skilled as SF, but I surely see him as a very skilled PF or even C in the future if he will add an inch or two.
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    Hopefully Lith clubs are not sleeping on Kulboka. It's an absolute pearl for such clubs as Neptunas, Rytas, Juventus. Maybe even Šaras would want to develop him. Obviously he's not ready for Zalgiris, but maybe they could sign him longer term.
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    I went through the fresh projections of Sirvydis in the NBA draft after disappointing LKL PO campaign and it seems it didn't influenced much of change:

    espn has him at 43
    nbadraft.theringer.com has him at 41
    si.com at 45
    basketballsocietyonline.com at 42
    Rumour is Kings may take him at 40

    I think Sirvydis should stay in the drafts and expect to be drafted between 40-50. Interesting if he's on his way to USA for some workouts as he still has couple of weeks till drafts.
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    It's funny that both Sirvydis and Brazdeikis now are being projected almost at the same spot. Sports.Yahoo and rotoworld.com have Brazdeikis at 41, Sirvydis at 42.

    deceptivespeed.com have Sirvydis at the highest I've seen lately 36 and they also project Sedekerskis at 64. In thegamehaus.com Bazdeikis falls to 71 spot, while Sirvydis remains among top 50 at 49.

    To sum up, Sirvydis projections are pretty consistent from 40 to 50, while Brazdeikis really goes off the radar in some projections. Will be interesting to see where those end up.
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    basketballsocietyonline.com have both Sirvydis and Brazdeikis as top 10 best small forwards in this draft. Here's the word on Sirvydis:

    Deividas Sirvydis is one of the best shooters in this draft and probably the best one coming from overseas. He literally just turned 19 and is a promising young wing who has brilliant form on his jump shot. In all competitions this past year, he has shot right above 36% from deep. In our most recent mock draft we have Sirvydis going 42nd overall, but there’s a real chance he could slip into the late 1st round.

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    How to do you guys rank our best prospects overall these days. I think we didn't do this for a while and things have been really intriguing lately, a lot young talents coming up, the possible addition of Brazdeikis. Here's the thing, lately I reconsidered my mind who is the best prospect at the moment. Here's my list, add yours:

    1. Ąžuolas Tubelis. That's it, I think he's the top and most complete prospect we have to day in the country. At U16 EB he was really good, but I wasn't too high on him as he looked a little bit chubby or lacking motor, or even a tiny addition of athleticism for my tastes, but what he has been able to do in upcoming half of a year was impressive. He added muscles, strength, athleticism, explosiveness. Now he's easily the most impressive athletic player we have, a long with Kulboka, Jogala, Brazdeikis, Sedekerskis. As 16yo he basically was in double digits with Perlas in LKL. He exploded in ANGST being a year younger. IMO, he has the most complete NBA profile at the moment, clearly expressed position at modern 4. He's not only athletic, but very smart, intelligent 2 ways player who basically does it all for a contemporary big. The only disadvantage we can mention is his not so reliable jumper, but he can make a three and he's just turned to 17. I expect him to be impressive at U18 even being one year younger. I read a lot of good stuff about him after the ANGST.

    2. Deivydas Sirvydis. Well, I have to say I'm disappointed with the end of the season. In terms of body development Sirvydis showed little improvement and while I love that he's not on some crazy bulk mode, but the question remains how much toughness he can add without losing light feet and agility. He hit the rookie wall and wasn't nearly as smooth and aggressive as he was at the start of the season. His release is beauty, but he is not able yet to utilize it at maximum, while shooting respective, but not great below 40% from beyond the arc and he is projected as merely shooting specialist in NBA. His defence and lack of strength are still issues that will have to be answered as long as his NBA career is concerned. However, what NBA specialists overlook is I think is elite IQ, specially when it goes down to passing. Some NBA scouts really don't get how precious this skill is and his tremendous his offensive IQ profile actually is, being 6'8, I do see him playing as a point foward for some stretches in the NT in the future, being the main figure of our backourt offence. So I'm still high on him, specially when it goes to his FIBA career, but Tubelis to me is just more spot on and "get up and go" NBA prospect overall. Sirvydis is a bit of a gamble as NBA prospect. Might be a steal, but might be too soft for NBA as well.

    3. Arnoldas Kulboka. You might call this a strange option, specially that he had a rough season and Bamberg parted ways with him, but to me he might be the sleeping giant with a great upside. With shoes he's 6'10 with tremendous wingspan, his jumper is chrestomatic, just pure perfection, he runs like gazelle, can easily play 2-4 positions offensively and he's a really good leaper who loves open court, a good passer. His issue was toughness and consistency. With the first I think he dealt nicely this year, building on his body, and the latter will come naturally with time. He's not a good defender and I don't have a word on his D yet, but I believe he might be very good offensively. He's just a very good prospects knowing what kind of trends today we have in BB and he's already drafted, so scouts didn't overlook him.

    4. Ignas Brazeikis. Since I treat him as Lith, I do think he should be in this place. Why not higher? To me his physical profile is questionable, aside great motor and toughness. He doesn't have great size or wingspan, he's not a great leaper and not super agile for SG/SF positions. At PF he's undersized and doesn't have post game. His shooting from beyond the arc wasn't as great as scouts projected early in the season and he dropped in draft projections greatly, might not even be drafted acording to some projections. The thing is that in NCAA he is very good all around scorer who has so many weapons, intangiables, but how much all this transit to higher level? Will he be a guy who will even have a chance to show that he can at NBA level? To me he doesn't have clearly expressed profile as a player. He's lost between being an energy/power player and all around, highly skilled scorer. To be a former he lacks athleticism and size, to be latter he lacks polished skills and more deadly touch from outside. However, he should pan out into a strong NT player and even if he wouln't make it to the NBA, he could be above average SF/PF EL player.

    5. Tadas Sedekerskis. Aside his struggles and injuries, to me he's a great prospects who was at the top with all U19 WC stars as R.J. Barrett. He's a more of a defensive 2 way player, one of the best defensive profiles you can find around, tremendous rebounder for his size, good passer, hard worker and tough as a bull. From all those SF/PF tweeners I love Sedekerskis chances to be the most reliable stretch 4 defender. To me he can become a strong role player of top EL clubs. I would be disappointed if he wouldn't have one tiny step better career than Maciulis and Timinskas had.

    6. Augustas Marciulionis. Tremendous feeling for the game, great creativity, passing instincts, great body control, defensive presence. Were he struggles is his shooting touch, but he shows glimpses of greatness at this point as well. If he can get tougher and improve his finishing around the rim skills, he can be elite FIBA PG.

    The rest: Jokubaitis, Jogela, Jarumbauskas, Modestas Kancleris, Masiulis are one step below in my book, but might push off some of those above eventually. I do believe Jarumbauskas a hell of a dark horse. I didn't include 15-16yo as Butkus, Murauksas, it's just too soon.
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