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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Is it just me or I see a lot of parallels between Kalneitis and Velicka as prospects? Both had somewhat impressive athletic profiles as youngsters, both were cheeky and rather ball dominant, both struggled shooting threes, both had issues with the decision making and system BB while showing glimpses of great passing. I would be very glad if Velicka would move to the same path as Kalnietis did basically. Off course, there's differences also, but some fundamental similarities as well. Here's 19-20yo Kalnietis dunking in NKL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxqf-nzmI40
    Never thought about it, so probably won't join the wagon with you on this. There are some similarities as it's probably impossible not to be, but that's it

    Velicka moving to Kalev would be interesting, but his latest performances keeps me doubting if he will succeed there, even tho I'm far from expert of current Kalev squad and game, didn't see a single moment of it


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    Never thought about it, so probably won't join the wagon with you on this. There are some similarities as it's probably impossible not to be, but that's it

    Well it's a good time to compare those. Both stand at 196cm, with nice wingspan, 6'9 Velicka, I guess something similar to Kalnietis. Both has high handle even if I think Velicka is better ball handler overall a bit. Both were very solid finishers under the rim, in traffic. Both were right hand dominant even if have some of left. Aside my already mentioned similarities. The difference is that Kalnietis had much better vertical leap (94cm, f.e. Seibutis 82cm, Songaila 75cm, Brazdeikis 93 cm). Kalnietis managed to improve in most areas of his game, I think Velicka will also improve at most of it with time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Well it's a good time to compare those. Both stand at 196cm, with nice wingspan, 6'9 Velicka, I guess something similar to Kalnietis. Both has high handle even if I think Velicka is better ball handler overall a bit. Both were very solid finishers under the rim, in traffic. Both were right hand dominant even if have some of left. Aside my already mentioned similarities. The difference is that Kalnietis had much better vertical leap (94cm, f.e. Seibutis 82cm, Songaila 75cm, Brazdeikis 93 cm). Kalnietis managed to improve in most areas of his game, I think Velicka will also improve at most of it with time.
    I did compare those before I've posted a reply and I don't really see them too similar despite some things you wrote. Such comparison would hit me earlier, while watching Velicka playing, but it didn't. To me Kalnietis was the like of Chomicius in his beginnings, but I never saw Kalnietis' beginnings in Velicka, they are too different type of players in my book, even characters or potential both had


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    I did compare those before I've posted a reply and I don't really see them too similar despite some things you wrote. Such comparison would hit me earlier, while watching Velicka playing, but it didn't. To me Kalnietis was the like of Chomicius in his beginnings, but I never saw Kalnietis' beginnings in Velicka, they are too different type of players in my book, even characters or potential both had
    I think I see your point, but not necessary agree with it, unless you talk about some 16-19yo Kalnietis. Maybe at this age Kalnietis looked like complete raw material and had tons of flaws, but even such view is not very convincing as he exploded in LKAL at 18 with 18/4/4 numbers showing serious potential. At 20, even if come obvious flaws (no-one is complete player at 20), he was treated as serious NBA prospect, standing out in both RBK Treviso Eurocamp 2006 and FIBA WC 2006. The narrative that Kalnietis made himself a name out of nothing, raw material with pure sweat and effort is not very convincing to me, there were some great performances already, clear sings of potential and upside and some real skills that transited well to PRO, but I can buy your point on Kalnietis being persistent to work on his weaknesses and really make strides towards improvement during his career, just, IMO, you overemphasising this (he was standing out since 18yo and wasn't as raw as you say, IMO). To me, Kalnietis and Velicka stooda rather on a similar path as 20yo, both showed great signs of potential, but also having some serious flaws to deal with (like shooting, decision making, polishing real PG skills, ect.). Here's the words to ground my take:



    RBK Treviso Eurocamp 2006: Day Two Luis Fernández Luis Fernández @DraftExpress Jun 13, 2006, 09:30

    Various players tied for the highest leaping mark, but the most interesting one is Mantas Kalnietis, a point guard who needs to gain maturity in his game. Hes really struggling here when it comes to distributing the ball and shooting from the perimeter, and even if he can do better as he showed with Zalgiris this season, there’s serious work to do. But he’s a talented kid who plays the game with passion and enjoys excellent tools with his 6-5 body in shoes and 37 inch one-step vertical leap, as he takes care of constantly proving by flying on both ends of the court. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...alnietis-1064/ ©DraftExpress

    NBA Draft Intrigue at the 2006 World Championship - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...alnietis-1064/ ©DraftExpress

    The shadow of Sarunas Jasikevicius was too big for anybody trying to play the point guard position for Lithuania in this tournament. Nobody can really fill his shoes, but at least Mantas Kalnietis did feed the hope of this country to finally find a decent successor for the great Saras at the point guard position, where they have suffered a big drought producing talents for several years. We’re talking about a completely type of player, an excellent athlete who is everyday more of a reliable playmaker, even if still inconsistent. Struggling with his perimeter shooting, he has successfully attacked the basket either to score himself or dish the ball, averaging 6 points and 2.8 assists per game. We’re talking about serious NBA potential here. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...alnietis-1064/ ©DraftExpress
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    Marčiulionis with another great game 25/7/6. Seems like he could step onto LKL court for a try already. The rumour is Sarunas Marciulionis gave "no" to this. Anyway, probably the best 17yo PG to play in the NKL. Jasikevicius didn't even play, Kalnietis did, but his stats most likely was rather humble. And Perlas is winning, 5th in standings. Knowing how badly Rytas sucks at PG, IMO, they have as much as zero PGs, none is even similar to anything as true point guard, even 17yo Marciulionis could be refreshing for some 10 minutes in LKL with his creativity.

    Will be interesting what will be the decision for the next season. To stay in Rytas system, or to head to NCAA. It would suck a lot if he would and up wasting his time in America for couple of years and such things sometimes happen there. With each day it's getting clearer Augustas is one of the biggest prospects in the country, ironically our 2 best players in 20's may again be Sabonis and Marciulionis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Marčiulionis with another great game 25/7/6. Seems like he could step onto LKL court for a try already. The rumour is Sarunas Marciulionis gave "no" to this. Anyway, probably the best 17yo PG to play in the NKL. Jasikevicius didn't even play, Kalnietis did, but his stats most likely was rather humble. And Perlas is winning, 5th in standings. Knowing how badly Rytas sucks at PG, IMO, they have as much as zero PGs, none is even similar to anything as true point guard, even 17yo Marciulionis could be refreshing for some 10 minutes in LKL with his creativity.

    Will be interesting what will be the decision for the next season. To stay in Rytas system, or to head to NCAA. It would suck a lot if he would and up wasting his time in America for couple of years and such things sometimes happen there. With each day it's getting clearer Augustas is one of the biggest prospects in the country, ironically our 2 best players in 20's may again be Sabonis and Marciulionis.
    Also watched Murauskas play yesterday. Dude has such freakeshly long arms. I expect Venskus gone next season and him taking over his place under the basket. He is doing fine so far in his first year for a 16 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svajunas View Post
    Also watched Murauskas play yesterday. Dude has such freakeshly long arms. I expect Venskus gone next season and him taking over his place under the basket. He is doing fine so far in his first year for a 16 year old.
    He's 15yo still, and will remain so till 02 14. So this NKL season he's 15yo punk and may be having the best NKL season for such age ever. He surely is the best 15yo to be as solid as he was for U16 EC NT with 12.3/7.7. What I like about him, is that he does a lot with his skill. He's not Tubelis, who has obvious athletic advantage against his age and even older guys. Murauskas has a nice balance between the skill and physical tools who are also very fundamentally sound. When I saw him first time, he resembled as Jokic a little but, he so willingly was going coast to coast and had nice skills for a big. Too soon to look too deep, but he shoots threes so willingly, just that it won't drop thus far. He shoots 27.3% in NKL and shot 31.3% in U16 EC. I think his mechanics are decent and he can reach decent % in the future. Will be very interesting to see how this kind will develop. As far as I saw, his D is questionable, but too soon to make any conclusions.
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    So I watched Perlas- Silute of last night's game. I hope Augustas not reading this as there will come a lot of positives words, but I think I'm not spoiling anything not only because there already were projection by one of most respected scouts on Marciulionis possibly having NBA upside after his U16 EC campaign, but also because I think he deserves such take. I watched a lot of his game this season and after 2 recent ones, where he combined 52pts, 18 assists and 18 rebounds, I have very clear thesis - we have a true world class material (point) guard prospect since Jasikevicius. Not maybe, not likely, not probably. We have a world class PG prospect again, for the first time since something like 1996. And I needed 4-5 months of this NKL season to really say this, even if there were that feeling since ever I saw him at U16 EC. Not only he improved his three point shooting, shoots with respectable 36%, but he substantially improved his scoring, finishing skills overall. He changes directions easily, driving equally strong both left and right side, he can crossover and get inside, looking for a mid range jumper (another added skill) or going further for a strong lay-up with either hand. If last season he still struggled highly with providing strong finishing under the boards, now he already has it. Another huge skill is that he can dive between the 2 defenders, split the defence and to get inside looking for his own shot or distributing the ball. He can step back and nail a jumper. So he has tons of moves and can score with three dimentions - threes, mid rage jumpers, lay-ups. Complete scoring arsenal. So that's only scoring. Now he has terrific IQ, creativity and passing skills. Differently than Kalnietis, or even Saras to some extent he has nearly perfect handles, is not right hand dominant, actually he passes the ball with his left hand even a bit more stronger than right hand, and never really have issues with turning the ball over while handling (at least at such level). Something which always bothered Kalnietis and even Saras during their careers. When Augustas turns the ball over, it's often due to being too fancy, or over creative while facilitating the ball, risking a lot. So he sees the floor, can throw a long pass to transition, can split the D with the long cross pass in the set offence, has great timing with p'n'r assists, can get inside and kickout a bullet pass. With his long limbs and terrific agility he has huge steps which allows him to get inside almost any time he wants to at NKL level already and makes him the clutch player as well. So that's offence. At D he has all the tools to be defender, can really lock the defender when he wants to, he is beast at stealing the ball, good awareness. So differently than Jasikevicius and Kalnietis, Marciulionis has an upside to be 2 ways guard, just as his father was.
    It's really hard now even to say which sides are negative, knowing that he's only 17yo and those will most likely fade with time. But as it goes now, he still very thin, listed at 79kg, I think he's already a bit bigger than that, but not much. Despite that he shows really solid toughness and competitiveness regarding physical battles, that thin frame is ready for contact basketball and not avoiding it. He's not softy at all. I could question his assertiveness at times, like he shies away from completely dominating and controlling the game, playing without that huge swagger which he already probably deserves, like saying "I'm the main dog here and you better use to that", but even at this regard, he basically torched and ripped apart Silute's team in last minutes of the game single handedly. Aside his thin frame, there might be doubts about his athleticism and explosiveness overall when we speak about NBA upside (not as strong and as good leaper as his father was obviously), but he has those long strides, long steps and shows tremendous fighting spirit, which allows me to project that he will be very hard to contain once he will add a bit more mass to his frame and will be finishing under the boards even stronger.

    To sum up, off course, he still needs to learn a lot and to continue work as hard as he can, and I don't really care whenever he reaches TOP EL level or NBA level, but we have a legitimate PG star prospect, IMO. It's getting harder to even get to the spots where one can criticise him knowing his age. Anything below my mentioned level, would be the failure seeing the package and the potential he possesses. He's a true world class material as a prospect, and I'm confident with my projection.

    Here's his 14 assists game's highs:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrk5j0gIdFo
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    Video on Marciulionis. Most things already discussed here, but plenty of highlights and some thoughts by his current coach. Seems like yet he's completely open to his future plans, may be the same Rytas, NCAA or even something else:

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    It's still kinda hard to choose in which thread to post it, but Ignas Brazdeikis finally applied for LT citizenship, I guess there shouldn't be any obstacles for him to get it - born in Lithuania to Lith parents, can communicate in Lith language. Nauseda seems to be more open minded president too, if his advising committee on citizenship won't screw the things, Ignas should become LT citizen soon enough


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    It's still kinda hard to choose in which thread to post it, but Ignas Brazdeikis finally applied for LT citizenship, I guess there shouldn't be any obstacles for him to get it - born in Lithuania to Lith parents, can communicate in Lith language. Nauseda seems to be more open minded president too, if his advising committee on citizenship won't screw the things, Ignas should become LT citizen soon enough
    Well, I think the process will not go without any kind of disturbances, but eventually the citizenship will be granted, or so to say reinstated. Well, let's start the we-have-three-lithuanians-in-nba wagon and jump on it. I personally was not following every boxscore of Ignas's matches, but now I probably will be.

    And to end the post on a funny note: Thank you Ignas Brazdeikis, for finally giving me an ability to legitimately use a name of Ignas in NBA 2K games and to feel proud while hearing the announcers shout it. Now all I need is an NBA player with a similar last name to mine to appear, haha. As a matter of fact, Brazdeikis might become the first professional basketball player by the name of Ignas, at least in some 20-30 years. Talking about at least Eurocup level players.

    To sum up, I'm glad about the decision and looking forward to seeing the real potential of Brazdeikis.

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    so im a little late but miklovas in the last podcast of theirs mentioned that saras isnt happy with masiulis and he isnt likely to play for zalgiris next season. if its true then i really dont uderstand what the hell are they doing with their young players

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    The TBF U16 international U16 Tournament is about to start (in 20 minutes) with Lithuania vs Latvia.

    You can watch the game here live...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7YyIXEYlVI

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    murauskas looked like a 20yo instead of 15. no one was even close to him in terms of skill level

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    Quote Originally Posted by zalias View Post
    murauskas looked like a 20yo instead of 15. no one was even close to him in terms of skill level
    Yeah but very bad defense of Latvia.

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    Laurynas Bieliauskas moves to ACB. Wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZaliaBalta View Post
    Laurynas Bieliauskas moves to ACB. Wow
    Does this say anything about Neptunas/Maskvytis and their ability to develop talent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svajunas View Post
    Does this say anything about Neptunas/Maskvytis and their ability to develop talent?
    Yes and no. Beliauskas got some chances to prove himself in Neptunas, but the pressure is huge in such occasion. In Nevezis he got the freedom he needed and played in less difficult environment. I would love to say I see some serious NT material in Beliauskas, but I won't, just happy to see Lithuanian taking a shot in ACB. Maybe very solid NT borderliner, and it's always good to have such breed, specially for windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svajunas View Post
    Does this say anything about Neptunas/Maskvytis and their ability to develop talent?

    Looks like they developed him pretty well.

    Besides what SF said, luck turned back on him. I remember Maskvytis talking in interview about Waver as SF, which would leave plenty of minutes for Beliauskas who came to camp very well prepared. But then he suffered injury in pre-season's first game followed by bronchitis

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    Tomorrow. See how Marciulionis, Tubelis moves at their age group. And see still 15yo Murauskas as well. https://www.adidasngt.com/
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