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    Doncic announced he's in. It's strange but Luka is No.3 in steals in NBA thus far. Does he playing defence these days? Anyway, he's having sort of MVP kind of season and he's not gonna skip NT. Slovenia is lucky.

    Another guy, Canadian SGA is also pretty much playing like MVP and is also top 5 in steals in NBA. I think for Canada he would be that different maker, he's top 10 NBA player this season. Not sure what Canada will collect, but let's face it, this year they can gather the best Canadian roster ever theoretically. To some extent SGA is newly born superstar in basketball and that happened this season exactly.

    I think Australia still will be very good team cause I think Giddey, Exum can boost their back-court and they still can field all NBA starting line-up basically. Depends a lot off course if P, Mills can still be great for the.

    Will Wemby be unstoppable for France already?

    Looking forward to see how Porzingos and Co. will come back to the big stage.

    Looking forward to see if Banchero will join Italy and whenever Germany will continue to work their ways becoming super power in FIBA.

    How much Markannen will mess with Finland? Having a monster season for Jazz.

    Will Rubio be there for Spain again and kick out "de facto" MVP Brown from alien NT?

    Will Lithuania turn the corner looking for modern, defensive identity? Will it be the start of post- JV era or we will be watching ancient basketball again which leads no-where?

    Qualified:

    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Greece
    Italy
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Australia
    Japan
    Lebanon
    New Zealand
    Philippines
    Cote d'Ivoire
    Canada

    PS: Sorry for sloppy name of the thread, slipped somehow...
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    I am interested in the teams in Europe, especially Spain, will this time have a chance to hold the championship cup again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Doncic announced he's in. It's strange but Luka is No.3 in steals in NBA thus far. Does he playing defence these days? Anyway, he's having sort of MVP kind of season and he's not gonna skip NT. Slovenia is lucky.

    Another guy, Canadian SGA is also pretty much playing like MVP and is also top 5 in steals in NBA. I think for Canada he would be that different maker, he's top 10 NBA player this season. Not sure what Canada will collect, but let's face it, this year they can gather the best Canadian roster ever theoretically. To some extent SGA is newly born superstar in basketball and that happened this season exactly.

    I think Australia still will be very good team cause I think Giddey, Exum can boost their back-court and they still can field all NBA starting line-up basically. Depends a lot off course if P, Mills can still be great for the.

    Will Wemby be unstoppable for France already?

    Looking forward to see how Porzingos and Co. will come back to the big stage.

    Looking forward to see if Banchero will join Italy and whenever Germany will continue to work their ways becoming super power in FIBA.

    How much Markannen will mess with Finland? Having a monster season for Jazz.

    Will Rubio be there for Spain again and kick out "de facto" MVP Brown from alien NT?

    Will Lithuania turn the corner looking for modern, defensive identity? Will it be the start of post- JV era or we will be watching ancient basketball again which leads no-where?

    Qualified:

    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Greece
    Italy
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Australia
    Japan

    Lebanon
    New Zealand
    Philippines
    Cote d'Ivoire
    Canada

    PS: Sorry for sloppy name of the thread, slipped somehow...
    Those i Bold areas i put will surely parade atleast a NBA player in their roster, maybe we will see most number of NBA participants in the upcoming WC than 2019... If USA qualifies (100% sure), Canada and Australia for sure will put their all NBA players in their respective rosters, while teams like Philippines (Clarkson), Japan (Hachimura & Watanabe) will parade atleast one NBA player in their roster... While China parade legendary European coach Aleksandar Đorđević plus rumors that they will tap a NP player ala Lorenzo Brown type to boost their chances... Then we will see some new faces in the WC, the likes of Latvia and South Sudan will make their FIBA WC debut next year.. Don't sleep on South Sudan.. I have a feeling they will make noise in the tournament under the leadership of Loul Deng (president of South Sudan basketball federation)..

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    So it means the Draw Pots will be like this:

    POT A: Spain, USA (If qualifies/Not yet qualified), Philippines and Japan

    POT B: Australia, Argentina (If qualifies/Not yet qualified), France and Serbia

    Then the rest will be according to FIBA rankings, But since Slovenia and Canada will play in Okinawa and Jakarta respectively, They will be drawn differently... Slovenia will be drawn only either Groups E or F (Okinawa) while Canada will be drawn either Groups G or H (Jakarta).. Like US and Philippines, Japan and Slovenia will be not drawn each other in one group... So the possible strongest POT C and D for Philippines and Japan are Lithuania, Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil (If qualifies) and Venezuela (If qualifies).. Just only 6 because Canada will play in Jakarta, so means PHI and JPN will not grouped with them while Slovenia will be separated with Japan... Then the rest will be determine after the 6th window who will qualify.... The weakest among POT C and D is only Venezuela... Who among Japan or Philippines will be group with Venezuela, There is a chance that they will have a easy group... But remember, Venezuela stops China's plan last 2019... Beware of them as always...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
    So it means the Draw Pots will be like this:

    POT A: Spain, USA (If qualifies/Not yet qualified), Philippines and Japan

    POT B: Australia, Argentina (If qualifies/Not yet qualified), France and Serbia

    Then the rest will be according to FIBA rankings, But since Slovenia and Canada will play in Okinawa and Jakarta respectively, They will be drawn differently... Slovenia will be drawn only either Groups E or F (Okinawa) while Canada will be drawn either Groups G or H (Jakarta).. Like US and Philippines, Japan and Slovenia will be not drawn each other in one group... So the possible strongest POT C and D for Philippines and Japan are Lithuania, Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil (If qualifies) and Venezuela (If qualifies).. Just only 6 because Canada will play in Jakarta, so means PHI and JPN will not grouped with them while Slovenia will be separated with Japan... Then the rest will be determine after the 6th window who will qualify.... The weakest among POT C and D is only Venezuela... Who among Japan or Philippines will be group with Venezuela, There is a chance that they will have a easy group... But remember, Venezuela stops China's plan last 2019... Beware of them as always...
    China was also just straight up one of the worst teams there in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudiaBaker View Post
    Will the teams in Europe, notably Spain, get another opportunity to hoist the championship cup this time?

    France might be the favorites next year... With intact line up from 2019 WC and 2021 Olympics plus the addition of Wembanyama and possibly Embiid, they will be the favorites.. Then nothing so sure what USA team looks like that time, I don't know if they are interested to represent team USA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    China was also just straight up one of the worst teams there in the first place.
    Yeah, but they could have advance into 2nd round if they didn't choke that game vs Poland... After that, China was in downfall...

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    By the way... Is there news who will be the host for 2027 FIBA WC? Until now FIBA are not announce who will be the host....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
    By the way... Is there news who will be the host for 2027 FIBA WC? Until now FIBA are not announce who will be the host....

    Undetermined. Not much out there on who is even bidding.

    I have heard of Israel in the mix and of potential co-hosting bids in the past from Argentina/Uruguay and Germany/FRance/Italy.
    Even heard that Rwanda is actually bidding with Senegal.

    Front runner migth be USA/Canada co-bid even though they have not officially bid yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Undetermined. Not much out there on who is even bidding.

    I have heard of Israel in the mix and of potential co-hosting bids in the past from Argentina/Uruguay and Germany/FRance/Italy.
    Even heard that Rwanda is actually bidding with Senegal.

    Front runner migth be USA/Canada co-bid even though they have not officially bid yet.
    I know why Israel wants to host I just can't imagine it ever actually happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Undetermined. Not much out there on who is even bidding.

    I have heard of Israel in the mix and of potential co-hosting bids in the past from Argentina/Uruguay and Germany/FRance/Italy.
    Even heard that Rwanda is actually bidding with Senegal.

    Front runner migth be USA/Canada co-bid even though they have not officially bid yet.
    Is Qatar interested too to host? They have money and venues already... Just little change from football field to basketball floor then that's it.... No way Israel will win the hosting since Arabs countries might not participate... African countries hosting? Are They have a basketball venue like the Philippines? How about Lithuania? They are basketball hotbeds but no interested to bid?

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    Now with FIFA WC finished and the final match became most hype match in the century, Let's now focus on upcoming FIBA WC next year's summer of 2023... I want the FIBA WC become the 2nd most watched World cup in entire world, As 2nd most popular sport (sorry cricket) in the world today, It should be the FIBA WC the 2nd most watch WC on earth.. But in the past, FIBA WC is only 5th among most watched WC event, even lose to Cricket and Rugby WC in terms of viewers... Last 2019 FIBA WC, they gathered 1.5 billion views, according to FIBA and became the most watched FIBA WC in history books, It's possible that this version of WC next year might break that record, because of growing popularity of this sport... It should be also FIBA WC is the most watched basketball event, even the NBA... If i were FIBA and the 3 host nations, This is the way to gather more viewers and putting themselves as prominent 2nd most popular sport on earth:

    1.) In every event, There is/are the superstars of the sport to gather some interest of the viewers... This is what previous FIBA WC lacks, Because the strongest basketball team on earth Team USA didn't treat this tournament seriously (unfortunately), And the best basketball players are in the US then because they are not interested to play in FIBA WC tournament, the event are less prestige... But because the game is now more global and the best players on earth are now international (Not in US), This is the best chance for FIBA to market the tournament itself.. The possibility of having the likes of Giannis, Luka and Jokic will gather the interest of the fans and follow the event..

    2) Make those three, Giannis, Luka and Jokic as the face of the tournament all tournament long (Possibily 4 w/ Wembayanma).. They should involve NBA to market the WC to the fans... Those three are top 10 most popular players in the NBA today, And if USA decides to have atleast some upcoming stars like Tatum, Young, Brown, etc... (even w/o the likes of Curry, KD and LBJ), That's good enough to market the tournament... Having some basketball superstars in every event will make the event more interesting to watch and gather more views..

    3.) Make more use of social media... Another way to gather views to social media, Use it as a tool too...

    4.) Make rivalries, One of the reasons more fans follow the event, Is because of rivalries... I don't know what are those international rivalries in FIBA (I think Spain vs France is the closest), But creating rivalries is fun to watch... Or atleast player rivalries atleast...

    5.) Make updates in every event before the tournament starts, So that fans will not forget that the event will be held in this place, date and time.. In Social media, In every basketball games, etc...


    As a basketball fan (more on a basketball fan than a football fan itself), I want the FIBA WC will be successful and more eventful next year... I want them to break records, from attendance, views, basketball records, etc... If the FIBA WC will be successful and get big time views, attendance, etc... next year, It will cement the sport of basketball will become the 2nd most popular on earth... No one can beat football as of now (and maybe forever) as far as popularity as concerned, But beating cricket, hockey and Rugby popularity and take the driver's seat as 2nd most popular sport, That should be the main goal of FIBA right now... They have now the global reach already compared to other sports that i mentioned (except football).. NBA did already their part to popularize the sport, It's time now to FIBA to do their part now... I'm excited for the next year's FIBA WC...

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    Cricket has more viewers than basketball essentially because of India and Pakistan. For the rest, like South Africa and England, the numbers are largely irrelevant compared to basketball who has followers in China, Philippines, Africa, Americas, South and East -Europe. Basketball is a much more global sport. It is second to fourth sport in many countries, while cricket is non-existent in any place of the world other than 7-8 countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    Cricket has more viewers than basketball essentially because of India and Pakistan. For the rest, like South Africa and England, the numbers are largely irrelevant compared to basketball who has followers in China, Philippines, Africa, Americas, South and East -Europe. Basketball is a much more global sport. It is second to fourth sport in many countries, while cricket is non-existent in any place of the world other than 7-8 countries.
    The last edition's of their respective WC's (2019 edition), Cricket WC gathered 1.6 billion views while Basketball WC gathered 1.5 billion, but in terms of spectators, FIBA WC (794k attendance) gathers more than Cricket WC (752k attendance), Even thou Cricket has larger stadiums than Basketball arenas, although the latter has more games than the former due to more participants (32 in FIBA WC while only 10 at ICC WC)... In 2023, things might change since FIBA WC has 3 host and the arena will use especially from QF to Finals will be a 55K seated Arena, The largest indoor Arena in the world today (Philippine Arena) and more big time names might play for the event next year...

    FIBA WC Viewership and Gate Attendance: (2019 edition)

    https://www.fiba.basketball/news/big...billion-people

    ICC WC Viewership and Gate attendance: (2019 edition)

    https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2...icket-tourism/

    https://www.totalsportal.com/list/bi...s-tournaments/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
    The last edition's of their respective WC's (2019 edition), Cricket WC gathered 1.6 billion views while Basketball WC gathered 1.5 billion, but in terms of spectators, FIBA WC (794k attendance) gathers more than Cricket WC (752k attendance), Even thou Cricket has larger stadiums than Basketball arenas, although the latter has more games than the former due to more participants (32 in FIBA WC while only 10 at ICC WC)... In 2023, things might change since FIBA WC has 3 host and the arena will use especially from QF to Finals will be a 55K seated Arena, The largest indoor Arena in the world today (Philippine Arena) and more big time names might play for the event next year...

    FIBA WC Viewership and Gate Attendance: (2019 edition)

    https://www.fiba.basketball/news/big...billion-people

    ICC WC Viewership and Gate attendance: (2019 edition)

    https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2...icket-tourism/

    https://www.totalsportal.com/list/bi...s-tournaments/
    Not to discount total number of fans but, I think it's rarely an effective means of judging the popularity of any sport. More often than not I think rankings are more accurate when looking globally while fan numbers are great on a nation state basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    Not to discount total number of fans but, I think it's rarely an effective means of judging the popularity of any sport. More often than not I think rankings are more accurate when looking globally while fan numbers are great on a nation state basis.
    More importantly you should look at $$$ involved in the sport, as it is a direct reflection on "popularity". Adverister interest, tickets sales, merchandise sales...
    This all shows up in total revenue which I'm sure is out there somewhere, and I'd gather Basketball far, far (FAR!) outweighs cricket.

    Easier to find is salaries of players which is a direct result of total revenue. Sure one needs to consider players per team, and other factors but there is such a large disparity here I don't think it is too relevant (but this may be why the Top 15 Basketball players outearn the Top 15 Soccer players - or there is just that much more money in the USA).

    https://www.sportico.com/leagues/bas...23-1234691281/

    Cricket is no where on this list by the way...

    The highest paid cricketers (Top 10) make on average $500K-1MM per year with a couple outliers (Virat Kohli in particular). The Top 10 Basketball players are making $35-40MM a year salary alone. Lebron makes another $75M or so a year in endorsements.

    Hopefully this puts this comparison to rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    Not to discount total number of fans but, I think it's rarely an effective means of judging the popularity of any sport. More often than not I think rankings are more accurate when looking globally while fan numbers are great on a nation state basis.
    You have a point... That's why Basketball is already considered no.2 most popular sport because their fans are growing elsewhere... Whereas Cricket only depends on huge Indian supporters to gather the arena... Cricket is an unknown sport elsewhere in the world.. That's why ICC can't afford to lose India and Pakistan in their WC because that means their WC will be a huge flop... Also the reason why ICC WC only has 10 teams because only British colonized countries only interested on that sport, They are only lucky due to huge population of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh that cricket is their no.1 sport that's why Cricket still relevant these days... Anyway FIBA already gathered new fans in South Sudan and Mongolia that the basketball there is huge too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    More importantly you should look at $$$ involved in the sport, as it is a direct reflection on "popularity". Adverister interest, tickets sales, merchandise sales...
    This all shows up in total revenue which I'm sure is out there somewhere, and I'd gather Basketball far, far (FAR!) outweighs cricket.

    Easier to find is salaries of players which is a direct result of total revenue. Sure one needs to consider players per team, and other factors but there is such a large disparity here I don't think it is too relevant (but this may be why the Top 15 Basketball players outearn the Top 15 Soccer players - or there is just that much more money in the USA).

    https://www.sportico.com/leagues/bas...23-1234691281/

    Cricket is no where on this list by the way...

    The highest paid cricketers (Top 10) make on average $500K-1MM per year with a couple outliers (Virat Kohli in particular). The Top 10 Basketball players are making $35-40MM a year salary alone. Lebron makes another $75M or so a year in endorsements.

    Hopefully this puts this comparison to rest.
    Another thing is that Lebron is no.2 most popular athlete in the world after Ronaldo (no.3 is Messi), And Curry is in top 10, the most popular cricketer is Virat Kohli with no.7.... And guys like Durant, Giannis, Harden and Westbrook is in top 50.... Most of top 50 most popular athletes are dominated by either soccer/football and basketball athletes... While the most popular NFL guy is Tom Brady at 21....

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