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    Default Fenerbahçe 2022-2023

    Roster:

    Achille Polonara
    Ahmet Düverioğlu
    Danilo Barthel
    Devin Booker
    Dyshawn Pierre
    İsmet Akpınar
    Jan Vesely
    Jehyve Floyd
    Markel Starks
    Marko Guduric
    Melih Mahmutoğlu
    Metecan Birsen
    Nando de Colo
    Pierria Henry
    Şehmus Hazer
    Tarık Biberovic

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    Most likely Vesely to Barca...
    Polonara with Virtus,
    Henry with Real,
    De Colo with Valencia rumoured.
    Fenerbahçe targeting;
    Coach Itoudis,
    Larkin, Mickey and Motley.

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    Now...
    First of all congrats to President Koç for bringing one of the masterpiece (Jorge Jesus) coach to the football section.
    Secondly i want to remind him; we (all bb fans in general) will keep an eye on the transfer moves of bb team for the new season... if he cares of course
    As rumours says 7 millions for Jesus and his team...
    And bb section of club waiting for it's turn.
    Hope they make a good job.

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    A considerable amount of Fenerbahçe fans put basketball team before football team so any kind of action to downgrade their basketball section won't reflect credit on their president, as he has been already getting a lot of negative reactions from the fans because of different reasons, but mostly because of the non-stop failures.

    As football goes, no matter how much it costs Jorge Jesus is a very right move for them. Maybe under his coaching, they can join CL after 15 years.
    Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.

    Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK

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    Quote Originally Posted by slice me nice View Post
    A considerable amount of Fenerbahçe fans put basketball team before football team so any kind of action to downgrade their basketball section won't reflect credit on their president, as he has been already getting a lot of negative reactions from the fans because of different reasons, but mostly because of the non-stop failures.

    As football goes, no matter how much it costs Jorge Jesus is a very right move for them. Maybe under his coaching, they can join CL after 15 years.
    Hi slice me nice... where have you been, hope doing well. Missing/waiting your analyses. Unfortunatelly agree with your comments. Great signature by the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worrax View Post
    Hi slice me nice... where have you been, hope doing well. Missing/waiting your analyses. Unfortunatelly agree with your comments. Great signature by the way!
    Hey Worrax, been doing okay, thanks a lot for your words. Not as much as I used to do, but I still do watch the games and keep up with the basketball news at odd times.

    Also, not going to lie, I miss the old atmosphere on this forum. The current situation on Interbasket doesn't make me want to post often. There were more valuable posters here whom you could have quality discussions on the game. Most of the big guns have gone.

    Hope you doing well aswell. Salute you with warmest regards!
    Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.

    Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK

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    Everything's fine thanks... and agree about the forum's look but still some of us around and it will be nice to read your monitorings, specially about the young prospects... whenever you have time and wish of course. Welcome back!

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    Everyone decide what to do with his life including posting on this forum

    Who are "big guns" that we miss? I am here 13 years and could name just one guy from whom I could learn something. CoachZ

    I miss Katastroika too. Terorizer with his lucid sharp and brilliant posts. That's it.

    And now we are all irrelevant here and insufficient for a great gentlemans interest, because OMG big guns are gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    Everyone decide what to do with his life including posting on this forum

    Who are "big guns" that we miss? I am here 13 years and could name just one guy from whom I could learn something. CoachZ

    I miss Katastroika too. Terorizer with his lucid sharp and brilliant posts. That's it.

    And now we are all irrelevant here and insufficient for a great gentlemans interest, because OMG big guns are gone.
    Don't be such touchy, man. All I meant that there were more posters here so more activity accordingly. I appreciate your contribution to forum and enjoy your posts. You are a much better analyzer than most of the so-called basketball commentators in Turkish media.

    Plus I find you amusing in a positive way. It is hard to forget all those ''I am an engineer and I know better basketball than you''-esque comments made by you in past.

    Peace.
    Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.

    Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK

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    Quote Originally Posted by slice me nice View Post
    Don't be such touchy, man. All I meant that there were more posters here so more activity accordingly. I appreciate your contribution to forum and enjoy your posts. You are a much better analyzer than most of the so-called basketball commentators in Turkish media.

    Plus I find you amusing in a positive way. It is hard to forget all those ''I am an engineer and I know better basketball than you''-esque comments made by you in past.

    Peace.
    Ok dude, no hard feelings

    I said many times that I am not expert for basketball, most of my comments are based on my insticts about players, their character and skillset. I am following basketball 30+ years with passion and as consequence I know a little bit about tactics too, but I am far from so called expert and that isn't in my focus. Modern coaches are almost in same level of knowledge, difference is only in budgets they have and their capability to use that money in best possible way. Ataman proved that. Mediocre coach but great manager, maybe the best. Kokoskov great coach, but poor manager.

    I am not just engineer, but manager too, so I am used to situation when you have to choose new member for the team That's why my comments are focused most on the bad spots in the rosters.

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    Even though it's not official yet, am i the only one who thinks Okobo's move will be a great job..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worrax View Post
    Even though it's not official yet, am i the only one who thinks Okobo's move will be a great job..?
    It depends of role he will play. If Fener's ambition is to reach play off and to be in level with the Asvel, Bayern and those teams that sneak around 8th place I agree this is great move. For F4 contender you have to go for proved winners. For instance, Anderson was scorer in Zalgiris and the main player, but in Efes he is in quit different role. If that the case with Okobo, could be ok, but I doubt. They expect from him to be core player which is a big mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    It depends of role he will play. If Fener's ambition is to reach play off and to be in level with the Asvel, Bayern and those teams that sneak around 8th place I agree this is great move. For F4 contender you have to go for proved winners. For instance, Anderson was scorer in Zalgiris and the main player, but in Efes he is in quit different role. If that the case with Okobo, could be ok, but I doubt. They expect from him to be core player which is a big mistake.
    I see, but look at the transfer market... not many guard options. Seems Pangos is about to sign with Milan and Delaney (as radallo mentioned) has injury problems. The rest of the good staf is under contract. Did i miss any other good guards from the market, or you think it's better to pay buyout for a player under contract? What is your solution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worrax View Post
    I see, but look at the transfer market... not many guard options. Seems Pangos is about to sign with Milan and Delaney (as radallo mentioned) has injury problems. The rest of the good staf is under contract. Did i miss any other good guards from the market, or you think it's better to pay buyout for a player under contract? What is your solution?
    Iffe Lundberg or keeping De Colo, if we talk about sg position, without buyout. Grigonis with buyout

    I am not sure who is behind this Okobo move, Itoudis, Djordjevic or Gherardini himself, but strange in any case.

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    I completely disagree Janketa. Okombo is already more complete player by those you mention and has the potential to be one of the top 3 in the league.
    For me there are 2 ways ...... one is to get ready players and pay millions.......and the other is to get players who have the prospects at reasonable prices and make them top.
    Okombo is one of them for sure.

    PS1 You can combine the 2 ways of course.

    PS2 unfortunately my team use only the second way.

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    Don't worry it's not official yet, but i'm not that pessimist on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zubitos View Post
    I completely disagree Janketa. Okombo is already more complete player by those you mention and has the potential to be one of the top 3 in the league.
    For me there are 2 ways ...... one is to get ready players and pay millions.......and the other is to get players who have the prospects at reasonable prices and make them top.
    Okombo is one of them for sure.

    PS1 You can combine the 2 ways of course.

    PS2 unfortunately my team use only the second way.
    I was clear what is choice for Fener. F4 contender or fighting for PO. Okobo is path to 2nd option

    You say it's one of the ways to buy prospect for less money and make great player from him. That's american draem story for Fener considering we are by far the worst scouting team until now. Remember Kokoskov and his experiments? But he is not that guy even if some miracle happens, he is Guduric type of player, with limited skillset, even worse then him. Did you maybe watch Guduric in Zvezda in young age or in U20 tournament? He was hell of the prospect but I knew even then that he will finish as role player, significant but still role layer. Same will be with Okobo and if he is replace for Guduric then ok, but if someone thinks he could replace De Colo then this guy must be crazy ignorant.


    Quote Originally Posted by zubitos View Post
    PS1 You can combine the 2 ways of course
    Ataman did this and that is the best way.

    That's why I say if he replace Guduric is ok, but then you have to keep De Colo. Team without any top player is empty and I don't know any team in the history except Blatt's Maccabi that won the title without at least one top player.
    Last edited by janketa; 06-01-2022 at 07:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    I was clear what is choce for Fener. Okobo is path to your 2nd way

    But he is not that guy even in that scenario, he is Guduric type of player, with limited skillset, even worse then him. Did you maybe watch Guduric in Zvezda in young age or in U20 tournament? He was hell of the prospect but I knew even then that he will finish as role player, significant but still role layer. Same will be with Okobo and if he is replace for Guduric then ok, but if someone thinks he could replace De Colo then this guy must be crazy ignorant.
    I forgot to write that I exclude De colo from the players that you mention before.....De Colo is one category of his own....but from the players that join the league last year I insist that Okombo (especially in the first half before his injured) was the best in guard positions.
    I would love to have him in my team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    Ataman did this and that is the best way.

    That's why I say if he replace Guduric is ok, but then you have to keep De Colo. Team without any top player is empty and I don't know any team in the history except Blatt's Maccabi that won the title without at least one top player.
    Agree.....but I am sure that Fener (especially with Itoudis) will have for sure one top player.......still to early.

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