Originally posted by Serbian_Layup
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It's a sensitive subject, so my intention is not to convince people in my belief or to engage in such discussion, but here are my thoughts on this, and I'm back to basketball related stuff:
1. No one sane is going to support war. No one sane is going to approve killings of any civilians from any country. And definitely there isn't any evil nation or society whose people enjoy suffering and killings of other people. If we want to condemn any nation as "evil", I'm sure we can find countless examples from past in each country (especially those whose mouths are full of moral lectures now) that will suggest that wrong doings of their political leaders or their ideologies are making all nations “guilty” if we are making that kind of generalizations. In that sense no one is clean and we should just destroy each other, because every freaking nation is holding some grudge towards some other nation for wars, crimes etc. from the past.
2. When things like this happen, people tend to make very superficial generalizations and condemn an entire nation because of some individuals or political decisions of their State officials. However, if someone is ready to condemn an entire Russian society or Russian people (or whomever in certain context) because of Putin's acts, why wouldn't that same person appreciate Russian people or Russian culture through individuals like Dostoevsky, Tolstoy etc. You see, if we are going to use the same logic then we have a lot more or at least equally enough reasons to appreciate than to hate or condemn. How about that?
3. There are no good sides here. That's not hard to understand. Where were all these people who condemn Russia today when USA, NATO and all those allies were bombing the shit out of Middle East in the name of "Demoracy, pacification and Western values"? All those countless innocent people died there and nobody cared enough to say a word. I guess their lives are not as important as anyone else's. And those same people are giving moral lectures about what's right and what's wrong. That's the hypocrisy Serbian people felt on their skin far too many times and that's what we are pointing out with all sympathies and condolences to Ukrainian people. We know what they are going through because we've been there countless tomes in our history when we sacrificed everything we have to stay on the right path and always chose freedom before anything else. Between Putin and Biden (or Bush, Blair, Trump), I choose none of them (metaphorically and literally). The very simple and honest logic is – if you hate war and what Putin is doing, you will have to point out to all those who are now preaching against the war and have absolutely never taken the guilt for their own crimes and wrong doings. Let’s cherish everyone equally and let’s condemn everyone equally.
4. About those Western values...sure, I'm all for democracy, freedom, peace and the rule of law. However, I'm all against with the way Western world is trying to implement those democratic values when it’s pretty obvious that there are other motives and interests hidden behind "democracy"? Or is someone going to persuade me that Bush, Biden, Blair etc. are just peacemakers who decided to make piece by killing everything on their way in the name of democracy? No, that's exactly opposite of democracy that they are preaching and just shows how much hypocrisy has taken over this world. There are only and only selfish motives and interests of big powers (including Russia), and democracy serves as a pretext to achieve those interests at any costs. The thing is that it's more obvious in more rigid Eastern societies while those "Western values" are well hidden behind democracy and somewhat harder to detect, but with absolutely same goal – making powerful even more powerful at all costs.
1. No one sane is going to support war. No one sane is going to approve killings of any civilians from any country. And definitely there isn't any evil nation or society whose people enjoy suffering and killings of other people. If we want to condemn any nation as "evil", I'm sure we can find countless examples from past in each country (especially those whose mouths are full of moral lectures now) that will suggest that wrong doings of their political leaders or their ideologies are making all nations “guilty” if we are making that kind of generalizations. In that sense no one is clean and we should just destroy each other, because every freaking nation is holding some grudge towards some other nation for wars, crimes etc. from the past.
2. When things like this happen, people tend to make very superficial generalizations and condemn an entire nation because of some individuals or political decisions of their State officials. However, if someone is ready to condemn an entire Russian society or Russian people (or whomever in certain context) because of Putin's acts, why wouldn't that same person appreciate Russian people or Russian culture through individuals like Dostoevsky, Tolstoy etc. You see, if we are going to use the same logic then we have a lot more or at least equally enough reasons to appreciate than to hate or condemn. How about that?
3. There are no good sides here. That's not hard to understand. Where were all these people who condemn Russia today when USA, NATO and all those allies were bombing the shit out of Middle East in the name of "Demoracy, pacification and Western values"? All those countless innocent people died there and nobody cared enough to say a word. I guess their lives are not as important as anyone else's. And those same people are giving moral lectures about what's right and what's wrong. That's the hypocrisy Serbian people felt on their skin far too many times and that's what we are pointing out with all sympathies and condolences to Ukrainian people. We know what they are going through because we've been there countless tomes in our history when we sacrificed everything we have to stay on the right path and always chose freedom before anything else. Between Putin and Biden (or Bush, Blair, Trump), I choose none of them (metaphorically and literally). The very simple and honest logic is – if you hate war and what Putin is doing, you will have to point out to all those who are now preaching against the war and have absolutely never taken the guilt for their own crimes and wrong doings. Let’s cherish everyone equally and let’s condemn everyone equally.
4. About those Western values...sure, I'm all for democracy, freedom, peace and the rule of law. However, I'm all against with the way Western world is trying to implement those democratic values when it’s pretty obvious that there are other motives and interests hidden behind "democracy"? Or is someone going to persuade me that Bush, Biden, Blair etc. are just peacemakers who decided to make piece by killing everything on their way in the name of democracy? No, that's exactly opposite of democracy that they are preaching and just shows how much hypocrisy has taken over this world. There are only and only selfish motives and interests of big powers (including Russia), and democracy serves as a pretext to achieve those interests at any costs. The thing is that it's more obvious in more rigid Eastern societies while those "Western values" are well hidden behind democracy and somewhat harder to detect, but with absolutely same goal – making powerful even more powerful at all costs.
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