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    I think we should create a new thread for the Asia Pacific World cup qualifiers which begins in November (1st window ), with maybe 4 windows to be completed even before the Asia cup is held, The WC qualifiers will be in it's 2nd round already, before the Asia cup

    If correct there are 5 more spots for contention, with Gilas and Japan having 2 spots already secured

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    Problem on national teams based abroad is the unfeasible for them to join the qualifiers given the quarantine protocols..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevy View Post


    http://www.fiba.basketball/basketbal...t-timeline.pdf

    Based on this video and link:

    * 5 spots for Africa, 7 spots for Americas, 12 spots for Europe and 8 spots for Asia.

    * Games will be in a home and away format (Hopefully by November the situation will be much better)

    * 8 berths will be allocated for Asia and two spots are already taken by the Philippines and Japan. Indonesia can have 1 also if they are a quarterfinalist in the Asia cup.

    * If hypothetically, the Philippines and Japan will lose all of their games in the first round, they still automatically qualify for the second round.

    * The first round and second round will have three windows.

    * No specifics yet on the draw process, but hopefully East Asia and West Asia will be mixed to make it more fair rather than separating them.
    Posting this here, i never posted quote from another thread so hope this works...

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    so seems like these 5 teams are favorites to get the WC qualifying spots

    Aus, NZ, China, Korea and Iran

    While Lebanon and Jordan dark horses

    So the 2 questions are

    Of the 5 favorites who is most likely to be upset and not qualify?

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    of the two dark horses (Lebanon and Jordan) who is more likely to be the team to knockout one of the favorites ?

    And of course why ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    Posting this here, i never posted quote from another thread so hope this works...
    It works. I do that all the time.

    That post is more fit here, actually.

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    New Zealand by either Jordan or Lebanon. Why because of covid constraints that prevents new zealand by sending their best players. Thats imho lang ah..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    I think Jordan with the rise of Dwairi in his prime and with good NP can upset a regressing Haddadi and Iran by 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    New Zealand by either Jordan or Lebanon. Why because of covid constraints that prevents new zealand by sending their best players. Thats imho lang ah..
    I think the B team of NZ ( the one that beat Australia last year) is sufficient to qualify , with half of the games at home and with the opening up travel ( similar to Olympics protocols) I think it is feasible for the NZ B team to participate.

    By November NZ will have one of the highest % vaccination rates (80%) and will be able to allow visitors
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    There is a live draw on Tuesday (31st) on One sport TV5

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    http://www.fiba.basketball/basketbal...lifiers/groups

    This were standing for 2019 qualifiers NZ and Aus 10 wins and 2 loss
    Iran BTW was just 1 win ahead of Jordan..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    Posting this here, i never posted quote from another thread so hope this works...
    Is that accurate as posted by Stevy in which he said like if for instance Phi & Japan lose all its games in the 1st round, both teams would still advance to the 2nd round? How is that possible since only 3 teams in each group will advance to the 2nd round. If Japan & Gilas advance to the 2nd round even if pang 4th place lang sila sa group nila after the 2nd round, ibig sabihin lahat ng teams (4 teams) sa respective group ng Gilas & Japan will advance. Samantalang the other groups only 3 teams in each group advance to the 2nd round.

    How is that possible?
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Is that accurate as posted by Stevy in which he said like if for instance Phi & Japan lose all its games in the 1st round, both teams would still advance to the 2nd round? How is that possible since only 3 teams in each group will advance to the 2nd round. If Japan & Gilas advance to the 2nd round even if pang 4th place lang sila sa group nila after the 2nd round, ibig sabihin lahat ng teams (4 teams) sa respective group ng Gilas & Japan will advance. Samantalang the other groups only 3 teams in each group advance to the 2nd round.

    How is that possible?
    The video said that Japan and the Philippines are already qualified for the second round because of hosting. Maybe there will be a change in the drawing procedure? Maybe at least the Philippines or Japan will be in the West Asia group, or maybe West Asia and East Asia will finally be mixed. We should just wait for 2 days to see what the groups will look like. Like IPC said, this allows us to experiment with a lot of new faces. Maybe the DLSU boys can join us for the November window. Tab did say that he would like to have a main core by 2022, so beyond 2022, we can probably only add 3-5 pro players (Rayray, Keifer/Bolick, JC, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    I think Jordan with the rise of Dwairi in his prime and with good NP can upset a regressing Haddadi and Iran by 2022.
    Aside from Iran.. I think Korea might also upset by some teams there.. They don't have yet legit big aside from Ratliffe and he is also regressing as well (He was on hard time putting his numbers against young Kai and Kouame).. I think they need to find another big NP for preparation if ever Ratliffe will finally done in his prime years.. He's 32 already and his prime years might go to an end in next 2-3 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevy View Post
    The video said that Japan and the Philippines are already qualified for the second round because of hosting. Maybe there will be a change in the drawing procedure? Maybe at least the Philippines or Japan will be in the West Asia group, or maybe West Asia and East Asia will finally be mixed. We should just wait for 2 days to see what the groups will look like. Like IPC said, this allows us to experiment with a lot of new faces. Maybe the DLSU boys can join us for the November window. Tab did say that he would like to have a main core by 2022, so beyond 2022, we can probably only add 3-5 pro players (Rayray, Keifer/Bolick, JC, etc).
    No.. As i posted before (Bahrain sports media), East and West Asian teams qualifiers in 1st round are separated.. Same as 4 years ago... So our opponents in 1st round will be East Asia/Pacific teams, But i think Japan and Philippines will be separated... On the question how many teams will qualified after 1st round, This is will be happens.. Only 2 teams per group will qualify, As Philippines and Japan already get that spot regardless the result.. If you will still confuse, Check how what happened in our group in the ACQ when Indonesia granted the host of FIBA Asia cup.. If Philippines and Japan make it into top 3 in the 1st round (regardless of ranking) the next 2 will qualify and the bottom team will be eliminated.. While if Philippines and Japan being bottom team after 1st round, They will still play in 2nd round.. Only the top 2 teams will qualify, The 3rd ranked team will be eliminated... Then in 2nd round, If Philippines and Japan make it to the top 3 in the 2nd round, the next 3 teams per group will qualify (It means 4th ranked team after 2nd round will qualify also).. While if Philippines and Japan didn't make it into top 3 after 2nd round, Only top 3 teams will qualify.. Now what if Indonesia qualifies into WC by getting the top 8 of FIBA Asia cup, It will decrease 1 spot from Asia/Pacific.. It means let's say Philippines make it into top 3 after 2nd round, And Japan didn't (vise versa), The other top 3 ranked in other group will qualify alongside the upper 2 in each group.. If both Philippines and Japan didn't make it top 3 in 2nd round, Only 1 of 3rd ranked teams will qualify, It will depend on quotient points (If both 3rd ranked teams tie their standings after all windows) or who among these 3rd ranked team will be better standing after all windows will qualify (Just like when we upperhand against Lebanon by getting better standing over them 7-5 to 6-6 as 4th best team).. So quotient of your every games will be important, The better you have better lead over your opponents is much better or if lose, Just only slim margin, So it will not decrease your quotient points after 6 rounds...

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    If Indonesia qualifies , how many more teams aside from Japan and Gilas will qualify?

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    Example No.1: After 1st round (East region only)

    Group A:
    Australia 6-0
    China 4-2
    Japan 2-4
    Indonesia 0-6 (E)

    Group B:
    New Zealand (5-1)
    Philippines (4-2)
    Korea (2-4)
    Taiwan (1-5) (E)

    Example no.2: (East region only)

    Group A:
    Australia 4-2
    China 4-2
    Indonesia 3-3 (E)
    Japan 1-5

    Group B:
    New Zealand 5-1
    Korea 4-2
    Taiwan 3-3 (E)
    Philippines 1-5

    Note: E means eliminated, teams in West Asian group will still use original method...

    Example no.3 (after 2nd round, PHL and JPN didn't get top 3 and if Indonesia doesn't get top 8 in FIBA Asia)

    Group E:
    Australia 10-2 (Q)
    China 9-3 (Q)
    Jordan 7-4 (Q)
    Japan 6-6 (Q as Host)
    Lebanon 5-7 (E)
    KSA 2-10 (E)

    Group F:
    New Zealand 9-3 (Q)
    Korea 8-4 (Q)
    Iran 7-5 (Q)
    Philippines 5-7 (Q as host)
    Syria 3-9 (E)
    Bahrain 3-9 (E)


    Example no.4: (After 2nd round, PHL and Japan gets top 3 and Indonesia didn't get top 8 in FIBA Asia)

    Group E:
    Australia 10-2 (Q)
    China 8-4 (Q)
    Japan 8-4 (Q as host)
    Jordan 6-6 (Q)
    Lebanon 5-7 (E)
    KSA 2-10 (E)

    Group F:
    New Zealand 9-3 (Q)
    Korea 8-4 (Q)
    Philippines 8-4 (Q as host)
    Iran 6-6 (Q)
    Syria 4-8 (E)
    Bahrain 2-10 (E)

    Note: If Japan gets top 3 and Philippines didn't (vise versa).. It will apply the same case that the other Group 4th placer will qualify automatically

    Example no.5 (after 2nd round, PHL and Japan didn't get top 3 and Indonesia gets qualify WC by getting top 8 in FIBA Asia)

    Group E:
    Australia 10-2 (Q)
    China 9-3 (Q)
    Jordan 7-5 (E)
    Japan 6-6 (Q as host)
    Lebanon 5-7 (E)
    KSA 2-10 (E)

    Group F:
    New Zealand 9-3 (Q)
    Korea 9-3 (Q)
    Iran 8-4 (Q)
    Philippines 6-6 (Q as host)
    Syria 4-8 (E)
    Bahrain 2-10 (E)

    Iran will get the upperhand because they have better standings over Jordan 8-4 to 7-5 and Qualify for WC


    Example no.6 (After 2nd round, If PHL and JPN gets top 3 and Indonesia gets WC spot by getting top 8 in FIBA Asia)

    Group E:
    Australia 10-2 (Q)
    Japan 8-4 (Q as host)
    China 8-4 (Q)
    Jordan 6-6 (Q)
    Lebanon 5-7 (E)
    KSA 2-10 (E)

    Group F:
    New Zealand 9-3 (Q)
    Philippines 8-4 (Q as host)
    Iran 8-4 (Q)
    Korea 5-7 (E)
    Syria 3-9 (E)
    Bahrain 3-9 (E)

    Jordan gets WC spot over Korea due to superior standing 6-6 to 5-7

    Example no.7

    If after 2nd round, whatever teams in 3rd ranked teams (or 4th if both JPN and Gilas gets top 3) tie both in team standings.. Let's say Iran and Jordan both 7-5 as 3rd placers (or 4th placers if both Japan and PHL gets top 3).. It will use the quotient points from 1st window until last window (Use wikipedia or FIBA website on how quotient points will determine), Who among Iran or Jordan have better quotient points will qualify in the WC...

    Example no.8

    If after 2nd round, If PHL gets top 3, Japan didn't (vise versa) and Indonesia gets top 8 from FIBA Asia to qualify to the WC, Then the lucky 4th placer in one group will automatically qualified in the WC...

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    Sorry I'm too lazy to back read but do we get the benefit of choosing our group in the qualifiers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    so seems like these 5 teams are favorites to get the WC qualifying spots

    Aus, NZ, China, Korea and Iran

    While Lebanon and Jordan dark horses

    So the 2 questions are

    Of the 5 favorites who is most likely to be upset and not qualify?

    and

    of the two dark horses (Lebanon and Jordan) who is more likely to be the team to knockout one of the favorites ?

    And of course why ?
    Given the current situation in the country, Lebanon is a big question mark.

    Iran has shown vulnerability because they still relied on ageing stars Haddadi and Nikkhah Bahrami to carry them in the ACQ.

    Jordan is 80% sure to qualify given their good form albeit Zaid Abbas' retirement.

    My bet is on Chinese Taipei pulling a 2013 FIBA Asia Cup and upsetting the above mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    Sorry I'm too lazy to back read but do we get the benefit of choosing our group in the qualifiers?
    No.. because it will depend on drawings tomorrow.. We can choose like China in main WC tournament

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    I think Jordan with the rise of Dwairi in his prime and with good NP can upset a regressing Haddadi and Iran by 2022.
    Agree. The Asia Cup qualifiers showed that Iran w/o Hadadi & Bahrami is beatable by teams like Syria & Saudi Arabia. In fact Syria scored an upset over Iran minus Hadadi & Bahrami in the 2nd window while Saudi Arabia's 2 loses vs. Iran were close games.

    I heard Bahrami has already retired from the NT. Hadadi may play some games in the 2023 World Cup qualifiers but with his age, as well as the wear & tear, he would be less effected for Iran than what he once was in his prime.

    There's no Iranian big man at present who comes close to what Hadadi could bring to the table.
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