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    Quote Originally Posted by coach cj View Post
    Please note that Koloko is a starting center for the Toronto Raptors haha and not just a 14th guy and plays two way contract lol

    It just puzzles me how these scouts and GMs made their decisions in the past NBA draft lol
    That's just the way things are trending in the NBA. It's easier to find good defensive bigs than 2 way bigs. And the Raps settled for a solid role player with their 2nd round pick rather than gamble. You can't really fault them with that as Koloko looked like a safer pick. The gap between Koloko and Kai's D might be bigger otherwise Kai would be in the NBA after his workouts. And to be honest Kai's post scoring looks iffy at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    That's just the way things are trending in the NBA. It's easier to find good defensive bigs than 2 way bigs. And the Raps settled for a solid role player with their 2nd round pick rather than gamble. You can't really fault them with that as Koloko looked like a safer pick. The gap between Koloko and Kai's D might be bigger otherwise Kai would be in the NBA after his workouts. And to be honest Kai's post scoring looks iffy at the moment.
    Probably I would agree that before and during the draft night in NBA 2022 Koloko was a better defender than Kai with a big margin especially Kaloko was playing against

    teenagers during his college days haha hence his defensive accolades lol

    But now currently December 9, 2022 lol I don't think Kaloka's defense has a big disparity with Kai Sotto haha.

    Offensively, Kai is definitely hmmm..let's just 0 out of 10 Kai is somewhere around 8 while Kaloka is somewhere around 4 or 5 lol.

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    Again let's stop comparing players who are in the NBA (getting minutes) with Kai..
    It's not just NBA GMs that not only didn't draft him, but didn't invite him in a list of 100, but GMs of every other major league team.
    Like it or not, while we may have different opinions , what really matters in life is what the decision makers think... it is how one really advances and makes the next level. You need a coach tor GM who decides to believe in you. Their lack of interest resulting in deciisions speak for itself .
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    Quote Originally Posted by coach cj View Post
    Probably I would agree that before and during the draft night in NBA 2022 Koloko was a better defender than Kai with a big margin especially Kaloko was playing against

    teenagers during his college days haha hence his defensive accolades lol

    But now currently December 9, 2022 lol I don't think Kaloka's defense has a big disparity with Kai Sotto haha.

    Offensively, Kai is definitely hmmm..let's just 0 out of 10 Kai is somewhere around 8 while Kaloka is somewhere around 4 or 5 lol.
    We won't really know until he gets to play in the NBA. Maybe he is maybe not. I'd like to think he is. But he needs to convince NBA teams that he is NBA level.

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    Nice breakdown on Kai's current level


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    From Twitter

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    Philippine Asian Quarter Player Salary Ranking in KBL

    1.Rhenz Abando(KGC) $179,545
    2.Justin Gutang(LG) $161,364
    3.Ethan Albano(DB) $151,515
    4.Johnny Abarrientos(Mobis) $146,212
    5.Christian David(Samsung) $106,000
    6.Samjosef Belangel(KOGAS) $100,000

    ※Note: 8-month contract
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    From Twitter

    @baekpd1983

    Philippine Asian Quarter Player Salary Ranking in KBL

    1.Rhenz Abando(KGC) $179,545
    2.Justin Gutang(LG) $161,364
    3.Ethan Albano(DB) $151,515
    4.Johnny Abarrientos(Mobis) $146,212
    5.Christian David(Samsung) $106,000
    6.Samjosef Belangel(KOGAS) $100,000

    ※Note: 8-month contract
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    Chttps://twitter.com/PBAinsider/statu...hxyEZ2fyw&s=19

    Sedrick Barefield has been released by his T1 League team, Tainan TSG.

    It remains to be seen if he will still serve as their Asian import for the upcoming EASL Champions Week in March 2023.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    From Twitter

    @baekpd1983

    Philippine Asian Quarter Player Salary Ranking in KBL

    1.Rhenz Abando(KGC) $179,545
    2.Justin Gutang(LG) $161,364
    3.Ethan Albano(DB) $151,515
    4.Johnny Abarrientos(Mobis) $146,212
    5.Christian David(Samsung) $106,000
    6.Samjosef Belangel(KOGAS) $100,000

    ※Note: 8-month contract
    Imagine if they get an extension with that amount or more. It’s no wonder young ballers are choosing to play overseas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    From Twitter

    @baekpd1983

    Philippine Asian Quarter Player Salary Ranking in KBL

    1.Rhenz Abando(KGC) $179,545
    2.Justin Gutang(LG) $161,364
    3.Ethan Albano(DB) $151,515
    4.Johnny Abarrientos(Mobis) $146,212
    5.Christian David(Samsung) $106,000
    6.Samjosef Belangel(KOGAS) $100,000

    ※Note: 8-month contract
    Oh, I didn't know that Johnny A still plays pro basketball

    Quite surprising that Gutang gets more than RJ Abarrientos does. Well, I think when RJ renews his contract, he will get a bigger pay than the other Pinoy Asian imports in the KBL.
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    Nice to see Kai being back on condition and in rotation at least of adl.

    Hopefully he finished today's game with at least 10 pts. He have 8 pts right now as end of 3rd

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    For me, Kai’s best game of the season. That’s 2 nice games in a row and I hope Coach CJ wisens up a bit more. Too stiff to make a bold call and put in Kai in the 4th in lieu of any big, even Franks who struggled mightily in the endgame. By playing safe, he let’s a game slip that way. That was at least a last possession or OT type of game at the very least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Oh, I didn't know that Johnny A still plays pro basketball

    Quite surprising that Gutang gets more than RJ Abarrientos does. Well, I think when RJ renews his contract, he will get a bigger pay than the other Pinoy Asian imports in the KBL.
    the early birds (belangel & abarrientos) got the smallest amount. the ones who waited prolly got increased offers

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    9 mins total playing time? 0 turnovers?

    Here I thought coaches gave you more playing time the better you performed on the court. Hmm, must be a fantasy. Surely Kai was given more PT because of his stellar 1st qtr performance...

    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Lun View Post
    Nice breakdown on Kai's current level

    Did Yeshkel see this game? Full of one armed boxouts, but this time it worked. I wonder why NBA bigs also use the same kind of boxouts that he hates, might it have to do with Kai getting stronger as time passes? Hmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper222 View Post
    9 mins total playing time? 0 turnovers?

    Here I thought coaches gave you more playing time the better you performed on the court. Hmm, must be a fantasy. Surely Kai was given more PT because of his stellar 1st qtr performance...



    Did Yeshkel see this game? Full of one armed boxouts, but this time it worked. I wonder why NBA bigs also use the same kind of boxouts that he hates, might it have to do with Kai getting stronger as time passes? Hmm...
    True, playing time is earned by being CONSISTENT starting from practice to the limited playing time given to a player.. So far Kai has been inconsistent and still displays aspects in his game that is raw hence the limited PT

    NBA bigs like lets say Ayton can get away (sometimes) with one armed boxouts since they have June mar like heft and strength, but if you have the body (&/or strength) of a Wang Zhi Zhi/ Zhou Qi like Kai that wont work as shown on the video

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic_chiongson View Post
    the early birds (belangel & abarrientos) got the smallest amount. the ones who waited prolly got increased offers
    I think because they were amateur college students. Rhenz was named MVP and had won a championship the last season he played as a college student so thats probably he commanded more. Gutang and Alvano were playing semipro already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Lun View Post
    True, playing time is earned by being CONSISTENT starting from practice to the limited playing time given to a player.. So far Kai has been inconsistent and still displays aspects in his game that is raw hence the limited PT

    NBA bigs like lets say Ayton can get away (sometimes) with one armed boxouts since they have June mar like heft and strength, but if you have the body (&/or strength) of a Wang Zhi Zhi/ Zhou Qi like Kai that wont work as shown on the video
    I agree that consistency is key but when the kid is playing well then let him play. I thought this was common sense but I guess not..back when Kai scored his season high 21 pts he was pulled from the 4th as well.

    You'd be surprised how many 1-armed boxouts you'll see in the NBA, it's not in the range of sometimes. Anthony Davis loves doing it, KAT loves doing it, even Kai did it this game to the tune of 3 rebs in 9 mins in at least 2 of them. I think it's just personal preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper222 View Post
    I agree that consistency is key but when the kid is playing well then let him play. I thought this was common sense but I guess not..back when Kai scored his season high 21 pts he was pulled from the 4th as well.

    You'd be surprised how many 1-armed boxouts you'll see in the NBA, it's not in the range of sometimes. Anthony Davis loves doing it, KAT loves doing it, even Kai did it this game to the tune of 3 rebs in 9 mins in at least 2 of them. I think it's just personal preference.
    True, you can make a case that Kai should've been left at the flloor since he was scoring well, however CJ was probably thinking about other aspects of the game (like overall team defense and familiarity of his first 5 at the crucial moments) over Kai's good scoring game. At the end of the day, Kai hasn't shown enough to warrant CJ's confidence since he hasn't been consistently doing what the coach expects him to do.

    Imo not personal preference, no coach will teach you to box out using your arms only. The thing with the NBA bigs is they use there arms AND their body to box out - with the video, Kai si caught standing still and using his arms to "box out" which give the opponent the opportunity to out position him.

    Here's a good video on how it should be done: (look at how Klay was out rebounded by TT, Klay was caught "boxing out" using his 1 arm)


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    That practice consistency is pure BS. Everything would translate into the production in the actual game minutes. Kai has been so efficient with the limited minutes given by Brutus. The only issue is that Brutus doesn't know how to use Kai and prefers a team that run-and-gun which is how he plays as a scoring PG in his heyday. Look at how Steve Kerr is wasting Wiseman's potential because his preferred game style isn't fit for the 2nd overall pick. Kai at 20 has limited options after ADL. It is already a third of the NBA season and small ball is getting trashed by tall ball.

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    While different levels (one is a High NBA draft pick), the recent decline of expectations for Kai and Wiseman are actually similar.

    Calling it as it is, being selected by inaugural Ignite team (and being in a mock) in 2020 , put Kai in really a very promising situation like Wiseman as a 2nd pick in 2020. (Potential was really there ),
    What happend in the 3 years after for both is the problem,
    While of course both can still recover and be decent players for their respective competition (FIBA/NBL for Kai, NBA for Wiseman) but obviously the expectation level is gone down drastically from it's high level in 2020 and is continuing to go lower and lower as each year passes for both.

    It's not their levels that are declining, but the expectations and prmose that is (those are two different things )
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