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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    A short update about the Turkish NT. Larkin has as I already mentioned a small back injury but he is also not in good shape either. Furks arrival depends on the Sixers choking. We will have a little big scoring problem without him considering the shape of Larkin.

    Everyone is very optimistic about Sehmus Hazer though. The big rotation is very deep and solid.
    That will be a nice counter for you, as it should be our primary weakness.
    If our primary bigs are Dwight Powell, Trey Lyles and Andrew Nicholson, there is virtually no rim protection with Canada and very poor defensively in the paint.

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    We had our first prep game against Russia and we won 80:62

    First to the stats: Cedi 14 points 6 rebounds and 4 assists
    Alperen Sengün 13 Points 8 rebounds 2 assists
    Sertac Sanli 13 points, 9 rebounds
    Metecan Birsen 9 points and 7 rebounds

    You can see here the first strength of the Turkish team. Sengün, Sanli and Yurtseven are great rolling bigs the first and the last are also great rebounders. Yurt struggled offensively and we couldnt use him in pick and role action. He still is very soft but we need his deadly mid range jumper from the bench.

    Turkey will use Sengün on four for a long time, this is clear. He did a very good job against Vorontsevic and Mozgov. Mozgov is a good test because he will play against a similar big Onjrej Balvin who is of course not that talented. The first halfs perimeter defense was weak but we found our rhythm very fast. Yurtseven did a great job staying in front of guards and protecting the rim (4 Blocks)

    Larkin wasnt playing so Bugrahan Tuncer was our only guy who could let the team play and he cant play any defense. Damn this will hurt us the most. Larkin wont probably play any prep game and we know what a TO prone he can be. He must be playable till Canada.

    Another happy performance came from our 99 born Sehmus Hazer. A transition weapon par excellence, I dont think that anyone can stop him except the Canadians. We have to great guys who can defend and go to the rim with Osman and Hazer.

    The biggest problem is here Cedi. He is taking dumb shots and thinks sometimes he has to be the hero. We dont need this. He is the top scorer but with 4/12. This team needs Mert Akay if he is ready or not. Another worrysome point is outside shooting from our wings. Sehmus Hazer as well as Metecan Birsen are very streaky shooters. They make step back pull up shots and cant make the open ones. Dont know what to expect but without a Larkin with 60% at least we will struggle making the plays thats clear.

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    In the second and back to back game against Russla we saw what the problems could be. Bugrahan was a TO machine and we chocked time to time. Of course preps with the main players started two days ago but everything what I had described came true, poor shooting and play making.

    Ersan Ilyasovas team lost yesterday and he is theoretically available. There are no news about that but we could really use him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    In the second and back to back game against Russla we saw what the problems could be. Bugrahan was a TO machine and we chocked time to time. Of course preps with the main players started two days ago but everything what I had described came true, poor shooting and play making.

    Ersan Ilyasovas team lost yesterday and he is theoretically available. There are no news about that but we could really use him.
    Lost?
    What was the score? Any player stats?
    I enjoyed your write up yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Lost?
    What was the score? Any player stats?
    I enjoyed your write up yesterday.
    64:77 but I additionally must say it was our second game starting with the prep. Russia was more ready with six prep games. The first half was head on and the second half they stopped playing. Horrible perimeter defense.

    Miamis Ömer Yurtseven was our best player today with 10 points 4 rebounds and one block. Did a great job defensively. Cedi Osman with 15 points but 4/15. He is trying to get his rhythm and Sertac Sanli with 9 points. Still no Larkin though.

    The general problem of the Turkish NT is scoring, Without the main scorers Furkan Korkmaz, Ersan Ilyasova and Shane Larkin it was quite obvious. Our big man rotation is nevertheless a huge weapon. Two of these 3 mentioned players and we are a serious threat for Canada i guess, also from what you have told. From time to time the team looked unimaginative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Lost?
    What was the score? Any player stats?
    This should answer those questions.
    https://fibalivestats.dcd.shared.gen...t/TBF/1891388/

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    Our worst player(compared with minutes on the court) and the biggest problem is Melih Mahmutoglu. Simple as that

    We never were high percentage shooting team, never. And when only one so called pure shooter in the team with just one role, to take and make some shoots, has 2-8 result, with awful all other categories that is definition of disaster. and wrong tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    Our worst player(compared with minutes on the court) and the biggest problem is Melih Mahmutoglu. Simple as that

    We never were high percentage shooting team, never. And when only one so called pure shooter in the team with just one role, to take and make some shoots, has 2-8 result, with awful all other categories that is definition of disaster. and wrong tactics.
    If we have the full team including Furkan, Melih shouldn't see floor more than 10 minutes a day. Same goes for Buğrahan with all his turnovers. Cedi will see a decreased role and he can focus to his drives which he is great at instead of 3 pt shooting and leave that to Furkan, Larkin and Ersan. Our biggest strength is actually our players in paint. We need to focus more on them instead of playing with our wings. Sertaç and Ömer Faruk are good shooters and Alperen can dominate almost any big. We can play inside out for 3 points shooting. Because our guards are lacking creativty mainly and Larkin, Furkan are generally score first kinda guards. Top playmakers in the team is going to be Cedi which he can do if he focus on facilitating. I hope we have clearer roles before the tournament but it is going to be hard without playing much prep games

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    OK, guys news time! Furkan Korkmaz will join the team in Canada and he wont fly to Turkey since there is no time left for that. This solves a big shooting problem from the bench. Furk is still a bad defender but not a horrible one anymore and a better one in international games. He brings height as well.

    Its not clear if Ersan will join the team though.

    The backcourt is still probematic but now has more options. Furk is fatigue but this goes for nearly everyone.

    In case Ersan will join the team our starting lineup will be like this:

    Larkin, Hazer, Osman, Ilyasova, Sanli

    and the bench

    Tuncer, Korkmaz, Birsen, Sengün, Yurt7

    Our biggest problem will be Larkins shape. I have no doubt about his ambitions to let the team play but he will need 2-3 games to find his rhythm and pace. Next problem will be Osmans decision making. His general shape is here not the biggest concern but he will need his shooting rhythm too.

    The first lineup can kinda defend. Not a bad defending lineup but the second one will struggle a lot. Nevertheless its the full strength of the Turkish NT.

    The destiny game will be game 2 against Czech Republic. If we win this game (we are deeper and more talented for sure but they have a far better chemistry) I am sure we will beat the Greeks also in the semi final too. If we lose though, Canada will be awaiting. I am at this point not sure if this is a better path or not. Canada will be a mess chemistry wise in the first games more than us.

    Facing Greece in the third game is even better. Calathes had a very exhausting season with Barca and Spanoulis having an injury is very old. I think if we make them run, this will open up new chances for us.

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    I think this is a good observation and key to success for beating Greece. Turkey/Czechs will try to pace up, Greece will try to slow down. It will get physicall. I think that this could be a good game in potential semifinal/final. I like this Turkish roster but physicality is somehow a little of a weakspot at first view (even I don't know all the players so good, speaking about the "known" names).

    Greece is out of some reason a little underrated in this board. They aren't so bad like people write constantly. There are several good players even though Papepetrou seems to be quite irreplacable for them this year - but Papapetrou is a little of a ballhog at least in PAO, maybe it makes them more fluid without him. Anyways, huge minus summa summarum.

    One of those games where the phrase that rebounding wins games is really important. Who controls boards and doesn't turn over will win most probably. Korkmaz is huge upgrade for Turkey but I am always sceptical if players come without playing a test match to the team - especially from NBA. It's simply too much of a difference.

    I don't see clear favourite in this tournament, it will really be good basketball.

    Btw, are you sure that Larkin will play point and not SG? I think this could be more helpful to let him play his most comfortable position. In Efes he looks much better at SG than at PG for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    I think this is a good observation and key to success for beating Greece. Turkey/Czechs will try to pace up, Greece will try to slow down. It will get physicall. I think that this could be a good game in potential semifinal/final. I like this Turkish roster but physicality is somehow a little of a weakspot at first view (even I don't know all the players so good, speaking about the "known" names).

    Greece is out of some reason a little underrated in this board. They aren't so bad like people write constantly. There are several good players even though Papepetrou seems to be quite irreplacable for them this year - but Papapetrou is a little of a ballhog at least in PAO, maybe it makes them more fluid without him. Anyways, huge minus summa summarum.

    One of those games where the phrase that rebounding wins games is really important. Who controls boards and doesn't turn over will win most probably. Korkmaz is huge upgrade for Turkey but I am always sceptical if players come without playing a test match to the team - especially from NBA. It's simply too much of a difference.

    I don't see clear favourite in this tournament, it will really be good basketball.

    Btw, are you sure that Larkin will play point and not SG? I think this could be more helpful to let him play his most comfortable position. In Efes he looks much better at SG than at PG for example.
    He will be the starting PG but it would be wrong to use him as the primary playmaker. In that role we can use Osman or Hazer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    I think this is a good observation and key to success for beating Greece. Turkey/Czechs will try to pace up, Greece will try to slow down. It will get physicall. I think that this could be a good game in potential semifinal/final. I like this Turkish roster but physicality is somehow a little of a weakspot at first view (even I don't know all the players so good, speaking about the "known" names).

    Greece is out of some reason a little underrated in this board. They aren't so bad like people write constantly. There are several good players even though Papepetrou seems to be quite irreplacable for them this year - but Papapetrou is a little of a ballhog at least in PAO, maybe it makes them more fluid without him. Anyways, huge minus summa summarum.

    One of those games where the phrase that rebounding wins games is really important. Who controls boards and doesn't turn over will win most probably. Korkmaz is huge upgrade for Turkey but I am always sceptical if players come without playing a test match to the team - especially from NBA. It's simply too much of a difference.

    I don't see clear favourite in this tournament, it will really be good basketball.

    Btw, are you sure that Larkin will play point and not SG? I think this could be more helpful to let him play his most comfortable position. In Efes he looks much better at SG than at PG for example.
    Its not just Papapetrou. Almost the entire starting five is gone. Papanikolaou, Papapetrou, Printezis, Giannis also cant come anymore. Even Papagiannis and Mitoglou is injured. If they manage to make out of the first group it can be considered as a success.

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    Papagiannis and Mitoglou should be both fine according to Greek media. Same goes for Sloukas, Calathes. I have no info for Athinaiou but in summary this is a solid team and here people write like they are total basket-analphabets. I am curious how this will look in Canada, too, but Greece can beat anyone in this tournament on a good day. Looking at other opponents in this tournament noone is unbeatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Papagiannis and Mitoglou should be both fine according to Greek media. Same goes for Sloukas, Calathes. I have no info for Athinaiou but in summary this is a solid team and here people write like they are total basket-analphabets. I am curious how this will look in Canada, too, but Greece can beat anyone in this tournament on a good day. Looking at other opponents in this tournament noone is unbeatable.
    No, they cant.

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    Okay!

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    I will try to write down my opinions after the update that both of our last NBA players confirmed participation.

    My biggest concern was shooting tbh. Melih Mahmutoglu had a terrible season, he cant defend and put the ball on the floor with being 1,90 m. Sehmus Hazer is a very good defender and can penetrate but a streaky shooter. Metecan Birsen is a very solid rebounder but streaky shooter etc.

    Our main offensive power are our 3 big man. These 3 guys will grab loads of rebounds and bring many second chance points but in order to utilize the full power of our good low post scorer (Sengün and Yurt7) we need space. Also the penetrations of Larkin will help creating space and thats why it was crucial to make the shots.

    Considering Shane will find his rhythm in the third game we have enough shooting power with Sanli, Korkmaz and Ilyasova. The others are not great but can make shots as well. Osman should be around 35%, Birsen too. Shortly said, I dont see much problems offensively right now.

    Defensively Yurt7 made a very good picture in the last 2 games against Russla. Knowing of the defensive potential of Osman we can also put a quite solid (for Turkish expectations ) defensive team in the fourth quarters.

    The biggest problem right now is the guard pairing on the court. Simply all of our guards are small as hell and fairly bad defenders.

    As a couple of guys mentioned already, to fully take advantage of Larkin we have to use him from time to time as a finisher. Here Osmans ball handling and pick and roll skills important. We can also play p&r from 4 to 5 which is very difficult to defend.

    I saw some Canadians discussing about how tough Turkey will be and it was really fun.

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    Breaking news. Shane Larkin is out of the roster due to his injury. We really should let it go with naturalized guys since we have no luck with them.

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    After the Olympic Qualifiers I want to share some thoughts about the future of the Turkish Basketball.

    Case loser mentality

    As we already know our team hardly reached its potential between after 2001 and 2010 despite being one of the top candidates in the tournaments. The downfall started with Eurobasket 13 and is still continuing. Nobody can explain me how we could get from a decimated Greek team 54 points from a team whose only scorer is Sloukas. Its not the matter of disrespecting the Greek team. I am just talking about this team.

    Nick Calathes could do everything on the court and we didnt force him once to shoot going down a screen. He may have his good day and shoot well then it would have been ok but being from +14 to - 20 is not acceptable and not excusable.

    "Play making problem"

    Cedi is in a loser team and has struggle finding minutes in Cleveland. He has neither the mental toughness nor the quality being the main decision maker let alone the scorer of a team. There is not a single play maker who has the control of a team. Merely a bunch of bench guys who play some trash minutes. A bit of pressure of Calathes and Sloukas was enough to rip our defense apart. BTW I wouldnt also accept a win coming with Larkin. We have to solve this play making problem by ourselves. There are guys, we must show trust and patience.

    Generational change

    The change came to late and we trusted for too long time our old guys. The bigger problem was the time of overwhelming wealth. The teams were relying on foreigners too much. The federation reacted too slow and too soft. The talented generations of 95-97 couldnt find a place and had been on the bench for many years. This time it was Ersan Ilyasova who was persuaded although he didnt want to play. He did great job for us and we got everything from him. His job is finished. Dont call him anymore. He was barely walking on the floor.

    Conclusion


    I have been following the Turkish basketball for years closely and there is talent. We just need time and a better physical development of the young guys. When we lose let us lose with the talented young guys instead of Göksenin Köksals and Melih Mahmutoglus. There is a good trend being implemented by Fikret Dogan the coordinator of our youth system. Many under aged young player are being used in the U19 and U20 tournaments. Our generational change is not finished yet. The next ones will be Mert Akay and Yigitcan Saybir. We will find a roster who will have a certain chemistry eventually.

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