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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    To the big problem of Greece just one two sentences. The traditional big rotation of Greece was never very talented because they dont have to be. All creativity comes from the guards. The only guy who was able to create his own shot at high degree was Printezis. His last shot against CSKA in 2012 is still in my mind and also 2019 his crazy shot against Brazil.
    Printezis is one of Europe's best. Nothing to say about that. A loss is a loss. But hey, his replacement is essentially Giannis. Are we to complain about that? Papagiannis is essentially Bourousis replacement, while Kostas is going to be another center Greece never had. He can only get better. I wonder, if he gains some muscle he could even be the number one center. In three to four years, Greece may have the strongest back court in recent history.




    To fill this gap is a problem for itself because printezis always contributed like 15-17 points in tournaments. Mitoglou is a good defender but not a scoring type guy. Taken away oe of the best passers on the world I dont see any substitution for him. Kostas on the other hand must leave the States asap if he wants to have a carrier at all. He is not 23 again he is 97 born and didnt make one serious game.


    Giannis considering he comes to the next tournaments would give you single-handedly elite defense and rim protection, elite transition game but he cant create anything with the ball so scoring will be a huge problem in the future. Even now with Calathes I would be super surprised if you ever score 70+ in any of the following games. Maybe against Turkey if you have a good day since our defense is traditionally bad.
    Giannis, Papagiannis and Kostas are all excellent shot blockers. Much more explosive than Bourousis, Koufos, Printezis, Mavroeidis, or Sofo and Papadopoulos before that. Really, for me an upgrade in the long term. And also, Papapetrou creates more than Papanikolaou. What Greece will loose in Printezis. It will gain in Papapetrou. Although I hope Printezis will be part of Greece for a couple more years.

    The way I see it, the center position was Greece's Achilles heel. But today Kostas really looked good. I agree though that it would be wise for him to develop his game in Europe. Like his brother Thanassis.
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    I did not have the opportunity to watch the game live yesterday but after watching it this morning I still think they have no chance to qualify but I have the impression that this team has some chemistry. They like each other. Maybe this is due to the FIBA windows the last years. Maybe this will be of benefit in other tournaments.

    Kostas works fine in offense and he also contributes with spectacular block shots but I had the impression that he has problems with block outs under the rim.

    EDIT:One player was tested positive on Corona. The federation did not announce which person specififcally is affected.

    EDIT: Mitoglou was injured during the game but I dont know how serious his injury is. Pitino said that Greece is living Murphy's law and even he himself has sprained his foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fasoulaki View Post
    I did not have the opportunity to watch the game live yesterday but after watching it this morning I still think they have no chance to qualify but I have the impression that this team has some chemistry. They like each other. Maybe this is due to the FIBA windows the last years. Maybe this will be of benefit in other tournaments.

    Kostas works fine in offense and he also contributes with spectacular block shots but I had the impression that he has problems with block outs under the rim.

    EDIT:One player was tested positive on Corona. The federation did not announce which person specififcally is affected.

    EDIT: Mitoglou was injured during the game but I dont know how serious his injury is. Pitino said that Greece is living Murphy's law and even he himself has sprained his foot.

    Sound like Calathes has now joined the team. Spanoulis still with the calf injury and is 50/50 to make the final 12. Also heard Georgios Papagiannis might be injured. But not sure the seriousness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Sound like Calathes has now joined the team.
    Kalathis was present during the game but he just arrived from the airport. He was more or less a spectator. He will join the team officially at the practice at Tuesday.

    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Spanoulis still with the calf injury and is 50/50 to make the final 12.
    I have not read or heared such information. Thats completely new for me. I think he will join the team.

    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Also heard Georgios Papagiannis might be injured. But not sure the seriousness?
    He has some pain in the adductors and will loose the practice at Tuesday

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Sound like Calathes has now joined the team. Spanoulis still with the calf injury and is 50/50 to make the final 12. Also heard Georgios Papagiannis might be injured. But not sure the seriousness?
    Spanoulis and Papagiannis seem to have minor injuries. They will join the team. As I wrote before, Greece lacks its four forwards. Giannis, Printezis, Papapetrou, Papanikolaou (also Thanassis). The truth is that aside from Mitoglou, Greece has no real answer for these losses.

    There is no doubt that this is a considerably weekended Greek team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    The truth is that aside from Mitoglou, Greece has no real answer for these losses.
    While Pitino said that he will play Mitoglou on 3 I guess that we will see the 3-guard-scheme many times on court.

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    Athinaiou, Bochoridis, Mouratos und Chougkas have been cut from the roster.

    Its a pitty for Athinaiou. He is always present when the NT needs him.

    I am wondering if Agravanis would not have been a good addition to this team wich lost many forwards. He has a bad temper as he also has shown again in the A1 finals but apart from that he might be able to contribute more than a player like Chrisikopoulos.
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    Seems old man Spanoulis is also out of the qualifiers.

    The roster should be looking like this from now on.

    Calathes
    Sloukas
    Giannapoulos
    Mitoglou
    Papagiannis

    Bench is really a problem. I would guess

    Lountzis
    Larentzakis
    Rokgavopoulos
    fatal error
    Kostas A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Spanoulis still with the calf injury and is 50/50 to make the final 12.
    So it seems you were right and very well informed.

    I think this decision makes sense very much. No Giannis, no forwards, no chances to qualify. Better stay at home and spend the summer with the familiy on the beach. And you know the kids grow up so fast. You have to enjoy every second with them.

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    This Athinaiou cut doesn't seem reasonable to me.

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    I am a very big fan of Lountzis. Oly made a very good choice. If there is a guard who can be the next EL starting guard of Greeks then its Lountzis.

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    So I guess the roster will look like the following

    PG
    Nick Kalathis, Kostas Sloukas

    SG
    Giannoulis Larentzakis, Dimitris Katsivelis, Michalis Lountzis

    SF
    Charis Giannopoulos, Leonidas Kaselakis

    PF
    Linos Chrisikopoulos, Dinos Mitoglou

    C
    Giorgos Papagiannis, Kostas Adetokumbo, Vasilis Kavadas
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    So it seems Greece threw the towel.

    Well, a nice tournament for some players to gain some experience. Mitoglou, Kostas, Lountzis. I can see these players coming back next seasons. Together with PG and Sloukas. My only regret is Mouratos not being on the team. I mean, Katsivelis may be just as good or better, but Mouratos could use the experience.
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    The 12 players which are included in the team are: (Guards) Nick Calathes, Kostas Sloukas, Dimitris Katsivelis, Giannoulis Larentzakis, (Forwards) Charis Giannopoulos, Nikos Rogkavopoulos, Leonidas Kaselakis, Linos Chrysikopoulos, Dinos Mitoglou, (centers) George Papagiannis, Kostas Antetokounmpo, Vassilis Kavvadas
    They selected Katsivelis over my boi Lountzis. Big mistake!

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    Wow, Rogkavopoulos. Who would have thought? Pitino went for an extra forward instead of an extra guard.

    I am not so sure that this team will manage to beat China actually. That said, I am not sure that Turkey or Czech republic will beat Greece either. Crazy things happen.

    I am going to try and look it from the bright side. All the guards are decent. I mean, even Katsivelis has some sort of EL experience as a fourth guard. Giannopoulos is perhaps a better shooter than either Papapetrou, Papanikolaou, Thanassis. So who cares about them, right? Mitoglou can be seen as the young Printezis, right? Sure, now as good yet, but more energized. Rogkavopoulos, Toruko liked him. Perhaps he will prove us right. And then, the centers. Let's face it, they are the best Greece has had in a very long while. PapG and Kostas are tall, mobile, athletic. Bourousis and Koufos would fit more in the 90s style at their current condition. Time to turn the page. And Giannis, it's best he is not part of the team. Makes Greece too predictable, while expectations rise. Yep, we brought a squad for the Olympics.

    I am going to take some more blue pills now, make sure I will stay in the Matrix.
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    Well, I know how upsetting this can be. I have actually been suffering since Eurobasket 2013 in Slovenia. BTW it was also a very bad Tournament for Greece if I am not mistaken. For me who is not a fan of any team NT tournaments are everything.

    Its a bad year for Greece indeed! Greek player are normally very professional and hardly gets injured but if you play so many games during the season and when you are so old like some of the Greek players this can happen. I expected the generational change next season before the Eurobasket 22 but it has happened this summer. The problem I have been following throughout the youth tournaments Greek teams lack big guys. Maybe Fasoulaki or others have insight but this can really be seen in almost every generation.

    When I think about the 99 or 00 guys like Arsenopoulos, Kalaitzakis brohs or Moraitis they are all guards. Cant you persuade enough guys to play BB or what is the problem?

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    No problem with big guys Toruko. Papagiannis, Kostas are both yet to turn 24. We have material for a whole decade. Best thing I saw from this whole tournament is that Kostas could actually become something good. And then, Mitoglou (25), Giannis (26). Also, Papapetrou (27), Thanassis (28).

    The key guards are somewhat older Sloukas (31), Calathes (32). They need to stick around until the next Olympic cycle, at least. But it's good that some young guards are waiting around the corner. Also, Dorsey. I think it would be good for him to play for a Greek team. In that case feel for Greece and NT will surely develop.

    The players I mentioned including Papanikolaou (30) would be considered a transition team. Absent Printezis, Spanoulis, Bourousis. Then during next Olympic cycle, some players could retire for a new group. Honestly, age shouldn't be a factor. The best players should play.

    The team we assemble this year is an emergency team. But at least they have some experience playing together in qualification games. Perhaps their performance may be decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victorious View Post
    I am not so sure that this team will manage to beat China actually.
    Who cares. Lets enjoy the tournament and afterwards an almost COVID free summer.

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    Something I wanted to mention is that from my point of view Pitino talks too much to the press in a very bloomy language. I dont know what goals he pursues but sometimes if you talk to much you expose yourself and the team. He almost reminds me the famous Trincheri and his allegoric references to greek mythology when talking about games and players. I did not have the impression that this helped by any means back then.
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    So at the end the tournament had the expected outcome. Greece failed again to qualify for the Olympics in a preolympic tournament outside Greece. It is not the first time this happend since we missed qualification in the past as well.

    So whose responsibility was the failure this time?

    We were missing key players like Printezis, Papanikoloaou, Papapetrou and Thanassis Antetokoumpo but we have seen this team failing even with these guys included in the roster. Sloukas and Kalathis underperformed in the first quarter of the Turkey and Czech game. So maybe they cannot bear the pressure when they shoulder the team alone. But still in general I enjoyed the way they played.

    Pitino wanted Greece to play fast College/NBA style basketball. I understand his calculatio. He wants a team well adapted to Giannis Antetokoumpo. A team which emphasizes his qualities and covers his weaknesses. This is necessary because Giannis does not fit to FIBA basketball at all as became clear in the last World Cup. But I am wondering if it is realy worth the effort to change the whole tradition and the whole character of a team to adapt to a player which will only show up 1 or 2 more times to the Word Cup or Olympics in case of qualification for which other guys have to fight that do not suit NBA style of baskebtall. The "fast playing Greece" is a legend taken out of mythology. Pitino also took some questionable decisions in the 3rd quarter when Greece totally colapsed again. Why the hell Rogkavopoulos an absolute noname without any experience on club and mens international level played 20+ minutes in the final of an olympic qualification tournament? Maybe this was a good investement for the future or maybe not.

    At the end the lesson to be learned (again and again) is that other people are playing basketball too and if Greece does not manage to solve its domestic problems with the league, the Pao/Oly squarrel and the federation/goverment fights, greek basketball will continue to decline. But afterall it is just sports and nothing which is of real importance in life. Therefore it's time to focus on real life again and to say goodbye until the next tournament.
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