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    Quote Originally Posted by barok espinoza View Post
    japan is having that "gilas" moment back in 2014. it seemed back then that we would have crushed any asian team with ease, but foreseen and unforeseen circumstances broke that team apart. in just less than a year, they went from hero to zero. hopefully, by 2023, the philippine team will be as talented as this japan team.
    This team has serious upside. I hope they realize that upside and we can eventually win a FIBA Asia gold, or at the very least, finish consistently at the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOiNU View Post
    I hope we didn’t already lose Juan, Kobe and Lopez too (whose camp says pinaasa last OQT). Sayang naman talent nila.
    I hope so too. There is still a chance for them, though. Juan has a Gilas clause in his B.League contract, and Lopez did thank Tab in his IG post announcing his Overtime Elite.

    Kobe, I hope he can develop his game. However, his development window is closing, so he needs to get good enough for the national team. Hope he can succeed in his efforts to train and play for Gilas again.

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    I'm not that high on 1GDL as much as I am on Lopez, specially since Lopez is getting basketball training & exposure in the US. You bet he's going to improve by a significant degree in a year or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    I'm not that high on 1GDL as much as I am on Lopez, specially since Lopez is getting basketball training & exposure in the US. You bet he's going to improve by a significant degree in a year or two.
    I think the renewed clamor for Juan emanates from the collective frustrations with our current crop of guards. With Lopez we can afford to be patient because Dwight, Balti, and Tamayo are doing fine. Even Navarro and Ildefonso are showing some improvements.
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    I don't think people appreciate how big of a deal Jalen Green coming to NBTC twice is.
    This would not have happened without his camp having confidence with people they trust in the US ..

    It's actually the same for any country with Pinoy connections, key people will only go to the Philippines if they have a connection and trust with someone they know from the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    I don't think people appreciate how big of a deal Jalen Green coming to NBTC twice is.
    This would not have happened without his camp having confidence with people they trust in the US ..

    It's actually the same for any country with Pinoy connections, key people will only go to the Philippines if they have a connection and trust with someone they know from the country.
    hopefully he can play for us in d future. his ceiling is way above JC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deku_midoriya View Post
    why do we always assume na SMC players will never play with gilas? isali mo jan sa pool ang mga smc players tutal pool naman yan just to add a little pressure and then sbp can negotiate with chua. thats best thing SBP can do kesa "ay wag na lng natin isali yan kasi nasa SMC camp".
    Actually, that can be a nice plan. Automatically designate the SMC players to the pool. However, there's the chance that players will beg off despite being named to the pool.

    Least SBP can do is require a medical certificate in case of begging off due to injury, something like that (which is what I advocated for at some point). Then and only then will the players begging off will be allowed get out of the pool.

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    Come on, thus guys are in 30s and families and we forced someone to play in nt. I think knowing these guys may ut mvp or smc or college players, I think desire to play for nt was there..Imagine the bashing thirdy and kobe get everytime they play for nt..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOiNU View Post
    I think the renewed clamor for Juan emanates from the collective frustrations with our current crop of guards. With Lopez we can afford to be patient because Dwight, Balti, and Tamayo are doing fine. Even Navarro and Ildefonso are showing some improvements.
    I'm willing to gamble on Suerte playing point at least for one game.

    SJ and RJ had their chances. Unless they develop their court vision, I don't see them making the lineup if Kiefer, Bolick, and Dalph are available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by empyreanmaze View Post
    Balti and Tamayo can't defend the interior against polished veteran players, they'll get fouled out if they keep being assigned to the opposing bigs, giving me a lot of Rosario flashbacks
    At least Baltazar and Tamayo could contain the perimeter better. Troy's just a total defensive liability.

    Well, to be fair, Baltazar and Tamayo did benefit from having Go, Chiu, and Kouame as teammates, so they're able to play the 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noyce View Post
    Gilas played the projected 5 that will give the best results -- Dwight, Thirdy, Heading, Tamayo, Ange -- and that still lost. The last 5 was SJ, Dwight, Balti, Heading and Ange and that still lost. FB Chat was calling it was a cooking show haha. It is what it is. Sometimes it's just a matter of making shots.

    Dwight efficiency at PG is so low at this point, if we want to maximize him as a scorer he has to play WITH a PG and NOT as as PG. again, target is 2023.my assessment is: if only Tamayo made more shots, then maybe we could have been close or even win it.

    also, i'd rather take chemistry than an all-star hugot PBA style. the goal is still 2023.
    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    Chemistry edi UP with ange o kunin ko richaun holmes na naturalized hehe
    Actually. I'd love that idea. UP's one of the most talented UAAP team currently, after La Salle and probably Ateneo. That team has a lot of potential, tapos dagdag pa GDLs. I hope Tamayo recommends some UP talents to Tab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    At least Baltazar and Tamayo could contain the perimeter better. Troy's just a total defensive liability.

    Well, to be fair, Baltazar and Tamayo did benefit from having Go, Chiu, and Kouame as teammates, so they're able to play the 3.
    and troy played sf under yeng's system. tab used him as a pf even vs france and NZ in 2016 and he made an impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deku_midoriya View Post
    2015. You had the brains of tab and the talents of romeo and castro. Result is they went all the way to the finals. And that didnt even take a year for pro players to master
    It took a 2-month break. No need for a year-long training period. Just a month or two is enough. What is unacceptable was the prep time before the 2019 WC, which was around 10 days, with some players playing right after the PBA Finals.

    And in 2015, it was our defense that got us to the final. We held our opponents (including China) to sub-40% shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    It took a 2-month break. No need for a year-long training period. Just a month or two is enough. What is unacceptable was the prep time before the 2019 WC, which was around 10 days, with some players playing right after the PBA Finals.

    And in 2015, it was our defense that got us to the final. We held our opponents (including China) to sub-40% shooting.
    and d 2016 team had training camp in greece.

    ateno also trained in greece.

    so we will go to greece

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo View Post
    and d 2016 team had training camp in greece.

    ateno also trained in greece.

    so we will go to greece
    Ideally, I would love to have that.. but realistically it should held in 2022 before fiba Asia cup... So that our players will be sharp on that tournament..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    What can Clarkson give us. Elite offense but he is not an elite defender. We need a world class rim protector and scorer like Blatch 2014 for a chance to advance in WC second round. Or else.we.will get killed both offense and defense in paint. Don't know if Koume can be that player or any of our locals.
    We'll be forced to live and die by the 3, as shown by the games against the MENA teams in the King's Cup.

    However, naturalizing a player who is a scorer AND a rim-protector? I only have this worry that this will bring back the asa sa import mentality in scoring.

    I personally think Juan could be our top local scorer, even Kai. They might provide the world-class scoring in time.

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    With Dwight Ramos struggling to play as point guard, I hope some people here realize how difficult it is for a natural wingman to transition into a point guard. Its not as simple as pag magaling ka mag dribble eh pwede ka na mag point guard. The idea of converting a natural wingman into a point guard is mainly to improve the size/height of the backcourt. But its not as easy as some people think, and in no better way this is being demonstrated than what is happening with Dwight Ramos in Gilas.

    That is why I'm not really that optimistic about the idea of playing a CJ Perez as point guard with Gilas if ever he is allowed by his team to play for Gilas.

    Players being converted to point guards need enough reps playing such role. How many times or how often did we see CJ Perez play as a point guard in his former team Terrafirma & current team San Miguel?
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    With Dwight Ramos struggling to play as point guard, I hope some people here realize how difficult it is for a natural wingman to transition into a point guard. Its not as simple as pag magaling ka mag dribble eh pwede ka na mag point guard. The idea of converting a natural wingman into a point guard is mainly to improve the size/height of the backcourt. But its not as easy as some people think, and in no better way this is being demonstrated than what is happening with Dwight Ramos in Gilas.

    That is why I'm not really that optimistic about the idea of playing a CJ Perez as point guard with Gilas if ever he is allowed by his team to play for Gilas.

    Players being converted to point guards need enough reps playing such role. How many times or how often did we see CJ Perez play as a point guard in his former team Terrafirma & current team San Miguel?
    potentially though perez can shfit to a pg role better than ramos becos he is (1) quicker and more athletic and (2) plays better with d ball on his hands.

    moreover, while ramos has good size at sg and adequate size at sf, perez is too small as sf ala abueva and thirdy and relatively small at sg on d world level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    With Dwight Ramos struggling to play as point guard, I hope some people here realize how difficult it is for a natural wingman to transition into a point guard. Its not as simple as pag magaling ka mag dribble eh pwede ka na mag point guard. The idea of converting a natural wingman into a point guard is mainly to improve the size/height of the backcourt. But its not as easy as some people think, and in no better way this is being demonstrated than what is happening with Dwight Ramos in Gilas.

    That is why I'm not really that optimistic about the idea of playing a CJ Perez as point guard with Gilas if ever he is allowed by his team to play for Gilas.

    Players being converted to point guards need enough reps playing such role. How many times or how often did we see CJ Perez play as a point guard in his former team Terrafirma & current team San Miguel?
    Dave Ildefonso has a better chance of being converted into a point guard. He started younger, at least he'll have more reps. Like I said, he looked better against the MENA teams than against Thailand. Impressive, to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo View Post
    potentially though perez can shfit to a pg role better than ramos becos he is (1) quicker and more athletic and (2) plays better with d ball on his hands.

    moreover, while ramos has good size at sg and adequate size at sf, perez is too small as sf ala abueva and thirdy and relatively small at sg on d world level.
    Again the lack of reps playing as a point guard will be a draw back for Perez playing the point for Gilas. As I've pointed out, Perez has hardly played as a point guard for both Terrafirma & San Miguel, and I think he hardly played as such during college. Besides, Perez is already 27 yrs old, so medyo late na talaga.

    As what IPC had said in his recent post, implying that Deve Ildefonso has the better potential being converted into a PG becoz he's only 21.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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