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    Quote Originally Posted by greenarcher View Post
    Let Chito Victolero coach the NT.
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    I will go with Goldwin
    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    Either would be a better coach for Gilas defensively. Both coaches have teams that are disciplined on defense, and Goldwin turns on the pressure only when there is a need, he times his pressures (hard hedges, blitzes, and presses).

    And both don't mind using taller but not-so-skilled players at 3. Chito used Rome dela Rosa and Aris Dionisio at 3, even if both can't create their own shot. Goldwin uses Spencer and even 6'6" Lucero at 3. I'm sure both coaches wouldn't mind using Navarro, Lebron, and even Balti at the 3 spot.
    Both the coaches here should be considered, at least in the coaching staff. Both can coach defense, and both can develop players.

    A coaching staff of Tab, Goldwin, Ayo, Charles Tiu, and Chito Victolero would be a dream for Gilas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    As soon as this SEA Games basketball competition is over, coach Chot should start the training/practices of the Gilas pool bound for the FIBA Asia Cup & the 3rd window qualifiers for the 2023 FIBA WC.

    College players like Tamayo, Baltazar, RJ Abarrientos, Dave Ildefonso, Belangel, as well as Jordan Heading who had a stint in the Taiwanese pro league, need to learn coach Chot's system. On the other hand, Kouame, Dwight Ramos, Thirdy, Navarro, Go, who had already played under coach Chot recently would still need to assimilate themselves further with coach Chot's system.
    Chot's offense in the SEA Games is actually similar to Tab's offense. Only difference is, Tab's team executed better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    Chot's offense in the SEA Games is actually similar to Tab's offense. Only difference is, Tab's team executed better.
    Chot still sucks when attacking the zone. Just sayin'.

    The strategy to beat any Chot-led team: zone defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sroth3839 View Post
    Chot still sucks when attacking the zone. Just sayin'.

    The strategy to beat any Chot-led team: zone defence.
    Good luck against SoKor. They killed Chot's team (without defensive coordinators) with zone, and a 60+ percent clip from 3. Two kryptonites against a Chot-led team.

    At least Chot's kinda making an effort to adjust offensively. Need a better defense.
    Last edited by IPC; 05-21-2022 at 06:19 AM.

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    Can we just vote our Gilas 12? I was a regular here poster Johnny A. I will tally the votes so we can come up with our unanimous Gilas 12.

    Tier 1 (Pick 6 irreplaceable players) - 10 points
    1. Dwight Ramos
    2. Ange Kouame
    3. Kai Sotto
    4. Justine Baltazar
    5. RJ Abarrientos
    6. Jordan Heading

    Tier 2 (Pick 6 replaceable players) - 5 points
    7. Thirdy Ravena
    8. Carl Tamayo
    9. Kobe Paras
    10. Dave Ildefonso
    11. Clint Escamis
    12. William Navarro


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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    Chot's offense in the SEA Games is actually similar to Tab's offense. Only difference is, Tab's team executed better.
    Because of repetition and length of time for players to master it. If we stay with Chot then SBP better start laying the foundation for 2023. Even Tab's system won't work if we insert him as late for WC 2023

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    Can we just vote our Gilas 12? I was a regular here poster Johnny A. I will tally the votes so we can come up with our unanimous Gilas 12.

    Tier 1 (Pick 6 irreplaceable players) - 10 points
    1. Dwight Ramos
    2. Ange Kouame
    3. Kai Sotto
    4. Justine Baltazar
    5. RJ Abarrientos
    6. Jordan Heading

    Tier 2 (Pick 6 replaceable players) - 5 points
    7. Thirdy Ravena
    8. Carl Tamayo
    9. Kobe Paras
    10. Dave Ildefonso
    11. Clint Escamis
    12. William Navarro

    I would argue Ange is very replaceable. Probably less than 50% shot at being in the 2023 roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deku_midoriya View Post
    Because of repetition and length of time for players to master it. If we stay with Chot then SBP better start laying the foundation for 2023. Even Tab's system won't work if we insert him as late for WC 2023
    That foundation should include, in my opinion, solidifying the defense, which I think helped us get two Asia Championship silvers, and helped us beat SoKor. We need a defensive coordinator. If not Tab, then Chito Victolero and/or Goldwin Monteverde could do, and I think the latter two need coaching experience in the FIBA seniors scene. We also need players like Thirdy, Dwight, Ange, Navarro, Balti, and maybe Calvin Oftana (later in the year, maybe in August), who can fill holes in the defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    That foundation should include, in my opinion, solidifying the defense, which I think helped us get two Asia Championship silvers, and helped us beat SoKor. We need a defensive coordinator. If not Tab, then Chito Victolero and/or Goldwin Monteverde could do, and I think the latter two need coaching experience in the FIBA seniors scene. We also need players like Thirdy, Dwight, Ange, Navarro, Balti, and maybe Calvin Oftana (later in the year, maybe in August), who can fill holes in the defense.
    I think that’s the reason Vucinic is in the coaching staff. To instill Tab Baldwin’s defensive philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    Can we just vote our Gilas 12? I was a regular here poster Johnny A. I will tally the votes so we can come up with our unanimous Gilas 12.

    Tier 1 (Pick 6 irreplaceable players) - 10 points
    1. Dwight Ramos
    2. Ange Kouame
    3. Kai Sotto
    4. Justine Baltazar
    5. RJ Abarrientos
    6. Jordan Heading

    Tier 2 (Pick 6 replaceable players) - 5 points
    7. Thirdy Ravena
    8. Carl Tamayo
    9. Kobe Paras
    10. Dave Ildefonso
    11. Clint Escamis
    12. William Navarro

    Specifically for the World Cup 2023

    Tier 1 (Pick 6 irreplaceable players) - 10 points
    1. Clarkson - NP
    2. Sotto
    3. Baltazar
    4. Tamayo
    5. Dwight
    6. Kiefer

    Tier 2 (Pick 6 replaceable players) - 5 points
    7. Edu
    8. Lebron
    9. Bolick
    10. June Mar
    11. Dave
    12. Thirdy

    *If Ange gets an exception, I'll slot him in ahead of Dave or Lebron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    That foundation should include, in my opinion, solidifying the defense, which I think helped us get two Asia Championship silvers, and helped us beat SoKor. We need a defensive coordinator. If not Tab, then Chito Victolero and/or Goldwin Monteverde could do, and I think the latter two need coaching experience in the FIBA seniors scene. We also need players like Thirdy, Dwight, Ange, Navarro, Balti, and maybe Calvin Oftana (later in the year, maybe in August), who can fill holes in the defense.
    I would love for Goldwin to handle the Youth program as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    Chot's offense in the SEA Games is actually similar to Tab's offense. Only difference is, Tab's team executed better.
    Chot would throw his usual excuse that coach Tab had the luxury of a much longer preparation/training of Tab's Gilas team last year than this current Gilas playing in the SEA Games.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    Good luck against SoKor. They killed Chot's team (without defensive coordinators) with zone, and a 60+ percent clip from 3. Two kryptonites against a Chot-led team.

    At least Chot's kinda making an effort to adjust offensively. Need a better defense.
    I hate to agree with U on this but history tells me you're absolutely right. But to Chot's credit, he beat Korea in that semifinal showdown of the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship held in Manila which of course was very historic.

    The 2 Gilas wins over South Korea last year only indicates that coach Tab knows how to beat the Korea. Tab knows how to defend the koreans.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by sroth3839 View Post
    I think that’s the reason Vucinic is in the coaching staff. To instill Tab Baldwin’s defensive philosophy.
    But Vucinic's presence is hardly being felt so far (you know what I mean). Well maybe not yet since this current Gilas SEA Games team only had limited time of training.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Chot would throw his usual excuse that coach Tab had the luxury of a much longer preparation/training of Tab's Gilas team last year than this current Gilas playing in the SEA Games.
    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    But Vucinic's presence is hardly being felt so far (you know what I mean). Well maybe not yet since this current Gilas SEA Games team only had limited time of training.
    It's also probably the players. Tab's 2021 team executed better offensively and played better defense than the PBA pros, and had better players on D at the 3, 4, and 5 spots. The younger guys looked sharper and more willing to learn.

    Granted, we had no choice at the time, but that was a success as far as FIBA is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    I hate to agree with U on this but history tells me you're absolutely right. But to Chot's credit, he beat Korea in that semifinal showdown of the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship held in Manila which of course was very historic.

    The 2 Gilas wins over South Korea last year only indicates that coach Tab knows how to beat the Korea. Tab knows how to defend the koreans.
    That 2013 win, we defended SoKor better. We had Tab and Norman Black, two defensive coaches, as assistants in that win. Marcus Douthit and Ping kinda helped too.

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    I remember about a year ago, there was this debate/discussion here at IBN about which has the better wings serviceable for FIBA competitions, PBA or the Gilas cadets.

    PBA had Wright, Pogoy, CJ Perez, Parks, Norwood as its top wings. Gilas on the other hand have Thirdy, Dwight Ramos, Dave Ildefonso, Kobe Paras, Will Navarro, Rey Suerte as its wings.

    I think it has become obvious that Ramos & Thirdy are doing better than Wright & Pogoy playing in FIBA or other international tourneys. I think among the PBA wings, its Perez & Parks who could be shoo-ins if ever they are named to the Gilas pool. But then again, they're availability would be a huge question mark. Perez is with SMC, while Parks' willingness to play for Gilas has always been a question mark

    I strongly believe that in a year or 2, Dave Ildefonso will be a shoo-in for Gilas at the wings.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    After the SEA games, Chot will probably have most of our younger players at his disposal. Now is the time to pick players who have good size and mobility and might be trainable for smaller positions. We dont have many bigs though. So I agree younger guys like Quiambao should be included.

    I havent seen Chot train guys for smaller positions. I only heard him say we only have short players thats why we do DDO. He will have a chance now or at least his assistants. Because he will be busy in the PBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rds View Post
    After the SEA games, Chot will probably have most of our younger players at his disposal. Now is the time to pick players who have good size and mobility and might be trainable for smaller positions. We dont have many bigs though. So I agree younger guys like Quiambao should be included.

    I havent seen Chot train guys for smaller positions. I only heard him say we only have short players thats why we do DDO. He will have a chance now or at least his assistants. Because he will be busy in the PBA.
    Like I said in the qualifiers thread, the PBA's in conflict with not only the Asia Cup, but also every one of the WC qualifying windows. Good news is, colleges won't have their season in the FIBA Asia Cup, and three of the four remaining windows. So no choice but to call up the B.League boys and college players. Hope for good-sized players at 3, though. We'll need Navarro, Lopez, Javi, and maybe Anonuevo, Lazaro, Torculas, and even Caelum.

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