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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    Much of that is on the Pacers though.

    McBuckets is more than just McBuckets. Hoping the Spurs can restore his old self.

    This is the type of SF that seems plausible for our new generation of 6'7-6'8 guys.

    Honestly don't see us producing a guy like Jayson Tatum. It's too high of a bar to achieve. Great if we do though.
    i can actually see oftana as a poor man's (or homeless man's) tatum, if allowed to play in gilas as a wing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevy View Post
    Yeah, I agree, but SK is asking for players from the current pool/recent players that could model Goulding. Heading has shown that he is the most promising shooter from the OQT and the King's Cup, but yes, he also had his inconsistencies in the ACQ games.



    We have a good amount of options at the SG position. From Dwight, Wright, Parks, Tuffin and etc.

    I am not sure how Dwight can be groomed for PG now, especially since he is now playing overseas, unless that will be his position in the B league, which is unlikely.
    Which is why we need Kiefer, Bolick, and Dalph.

    Our scoring chores will be shifted to the 2-3-4 guys. It's the perfect balance to offset the guard heavy style we utilized under Chot/Yeng. I like it as it's modern and gives us the competitive edge against Tier I/II Asian teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevy View Post
    Yeah, I agree, but SK is asking for players from the current pool/recent players that could model Goulding. Heading has shown that he is the most promising shooter from the OQT and the King's Cup, but yes, he also had his inconsistencies in the ACQ games.



    We have a good amount of options at the SG position. From Dwight, Wright, Parks, Tuffin and etc.

    I am not sure how Dwight can be groomed for PG now, especially since he is now playing overseas, unless that will be his position in the B league, which is unlikely.

    Dwight is comfortable as a combo guard,in Gilas so no need to change things,besides there should be a glut of tall PGs soon enough with Cholo coming home and possibly in the Gilas lineup,Dalp during his off season is another one,not counting Kiefer and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    Shooting Guard.. we have before in 2007 in ritualo and from 2013-2014 gary david..
    David didn't do too well on his stint though. . Does Chan count?

    Current player, might be Matt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARMIR View Post
    Dwight is comfortable as a combo guard,in Gilas so no need to change things,besides there should be a glut of tall PGs soon enough with Cholo coming home and possibly in the Gilas lineup,Dalp during his off season is another one,not counting Kiefer and others.
    I'd like Bolick to be given another chance. He's back to his pre injury form. Having him, Kiefer and whichever of Juan, Matt, RJ or Dalph would be the ideal PG rotation for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    I'd like Bolick to be given another chance. He's back to his pre injury form. Having him, Kiefer and whichever of Juan, Matt, RJ or Dalph would be the ideal PG rotation for me.
    If Mikey Williams classified as local sana.. We don't need most of them... He is the combination of Alapag and Castro skillset, Same as Malonzo...

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    Having Bolick and Panopio as the sole point guards would allow the team to upsize in every position even add a few developmental players here and there with a good risk reward ratio. Bolick and Panopio are the smartest, smoothest operators I've watched in ph basketball, raw talent(ala Terrence Romeo) should not just be the criteria, Bolick/Panopio are players with high self awareness, knows the appropriate moments to score and facilitate, they also know how to properly expend their energies all throughout the 4 quarters. With a scorer like Clarkson and the wing and Sotto under the rim, opponents would not be able to emulate what TnT did to shut down Bolick in the pba(double teaming him the whole game). We can do away with Kiefer, Matt, Belangel and RJ if these 2 are available, I don't see the point in oversaturating the pg spot with those players. The 2 guard spot should be for someone that can relieve Clarkson(either Dwight or Lopez/Paras if either develops a reliable perimeter game). What's a bit worrying is Baltazar and Tamayo's career paths, I do not think either of those guys have any business playing the 4-5, all of the gilas stints have shown they are incapable of defending that position, they are easily pushed under the rim, the middle eastern opponents were outrebounding and hooking over them and they've shown they prepare to be catch and shoot guys(Tamayo less so with a decent face up game but still gets his energy from catch and shoot situations), I don't know what league they'll be playing but I hope those guys will find a bigger league where they will play against players of their stature playing as wings. Clarkson, Bolick and Panopio are the guys I'm very hopeful and imo is vital to suit up for 2023 while the previous window gilas continues to train and gel together(most importantly imo is the development of Tamayo and Baltazar as wings if those 2 doesn't join a decent league anytime soon).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    I'd like Bolick to be given another chance. He's back to his pre injury form. Having him, Kiefer and whichever of Juan, Matt, RJ or Dalph would be the ideal PG rotation for me.
    That's another one,so Gilas should keep the combo guards as is,it gives them the "gulat"move,the other team will not expect one or two of your tall SGs will play point guard in certain plays.Someday Gilas will have 6'6-6'7 guys who will play at that position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by empyreanmaze View Post
    Having Bolick and Panopio as the sole point guards would allow the team to upsize in every position even add a few developmental players here and there with a good risk reward ratio. Bolick and Panopio are the smartest, smoothest operators I've watched in ph basketball, raw talent(ala Terrence Romeo) should not just be the criteria, Bolick/Panopio are players with high self awareness, knows the appropriate moments to score and facilitate, they also know how to properly expend their energies all throughout the 4 quarters. With a scorer like Clarkson and the wing and Sotto under the rim, opponents would not be able to emulate what TnT did to shut down Bolick in the pba(double teaming him the whole game). We can do away with Kiefer, Matt, Belangel and RJ if these 2 are available, I don't see the point in oversaturating the pg spot with those players. The 2 guard spot should be for someone that can relieve Clarkson(either Dwight or Lopez/Paras if either develops a reliable perimeter game). What's a bit worrying is Baltazar and Tamayo's career paths, I do not think either of those guys have any business playing the 4-5, all of the gilas stints have shown they are incapable of defending that position, they are easily pushed under the rim, the middle eastern opponents were outrebounding and hooking over them and they've shown they prepare to be catch and shoot guys(Tamayo less so with a decent face up game but still gets his energy from catch and shoot situations), I don't know what league they'll be playing but I hope those guys will find a bigger league where they will play against players of their stature playing as wings. Clarkson, Bolick and Panopio are the guys I'm very hopeful and imo is vital to suit up for 2023 while the previous window gilas continues to train and gel together(most importantly imo is the development of Tamayo and Baltazar as wings if those 2 doesn't join a decent league anytime soon).
    A Robert Bolick-Dalph Panopio rotation at point guard would be a perfect high-low mix. With Bolick being the high-end of the two as he is a very good scoring point guard (of course not to say Bolick isn't a good playmaker becoz he is a good one), while Panopio being the low-end as he is more of a pass-first point guard. But in as much as I really like Bolick in Gilas uniform, I would prefer not to expect much about that possibility. And you know why, so no need to elaborate. A much more realistic possibility would a Kiefer Ravena-Dalph Panopio tandem at point guard.

    Just like Bolick, Kiefer also is a very good scoring point guard with an ever improving 3-pt. shooting (I think Kiefer right now shoots better from 3-pt. than Bolick), while he is a good playmaker as well. But honestly, I'll pick Bolick over Kiefer as far as passing, playmaking or being a facilitator is concerned.

    I think the key is having variety at the point guard spot. I think it won't be good for the team if both our point guards have the scorer's mentality. I think the perfect point guard combination would be one PG being a natural scorer & the other one being more of a pass-first PG.
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    I like that bolick panopio mix! Although, am very high on a combo ildefonso as the 3rd.

    Also, aside from them, on to the required list for me are still parks, aj edu, sotto, balti, d. ramos, and paul lee, unless we can have an instant creator in the current batch. If jgdl makes some improvement and paras, i believe they should be given a chance. Tamayo and heading are also a shoo-in for me and capt. go ( i can't believe am saying this, but i noticed him as a stabilizing factor in the game. Truly the captain of the team.)

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    Idelfonso is an example of improvement through Fiba exposure. He stagnated in college. And his first Fiba senior games were bad. But in his recent games he became serviceable as a big guard. Good handles, vision. Decent outside shooting. I think his handles need to improve more if he wants to be a paint threat at this level. Better handles might give him more options in his drives

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    Yeah! and ildefonso is definitely improving. For me, if thirdy will not show any inprovement, i'll choose ildefonso over him. Heck, in the SF/ SG position, i will even put navarro ahead of thirdy. I hope the kid shows more. I really consider him an upgrade of his kuya before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaVi View Post
    Yeah! and ildefonso is definitely improving. For me, if thirdy will not show any inprovement, i'll choose ildefonso over him. Heck, in the SF/ SG position, i will even put navarro ahead of thirdy. I hope the kid shows more. I really consider him an upgrade of his kuya before.
    Agree with you. Thirdy, at this point, I think is overrated. He's a good slasher, defender, and guard rebounder. However, I don't think his game translates internationally. Back in the UAAP, he can outrun, overpower, and bully his way to the paint. In the big leagues, I doubt he'll be as effective with this style. He really should improve his shooting. I'm not sure if he'll ever be a good shooter.

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    OT lang:

    Am really excited that we have two players who are trying to reach their goal of getting in the NBA.

    Hope we can see both Kai and Jack in their respective leagues - NBA and WNBA in the next 2 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    Abueva is playing wing(2) ever since time immemorial..kaso tayo mahilig tayo sa shooter and combo guard nag slide tuloy sa 3 si calvin
    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    So you're saying that the times Abueva has been playing 3, he's been playing as a 3rd guard ala Paul Lee or Scottie? Yeah, he's a natural wing, but this is the first time I've seen him play 2.
    Quote Originally Posted by robert0326 View Post
    That is what coach Tab wants for him.. If he played combo guard position during his stint w/ Gilas, He will be locked for SG spot.. I Don't care about his inconsistent shooting and not so good dribbling before, He's intangibles that he can bring to the team is more important, most of that aren't see on stat sheet.. He should be in 2016 OQT line up than Ryan Reyes...
    Eto lang, even when Tab was coaching, Abueva was still playing the 3 for Gilas. He was our best player at that position, and we were kinda loaded at the two-guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    Pinoy coaches love giving Kobe playing time... as a PF.
    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    Even Coach Tab plays him at 4. The issue is his either the tallest or second in a team. Unlike in B. League who have import.

    UP actually gives him more space and penetration plays from the outside much like what he does today in B. League.
    To be fair to Perasol, he used Kobe and Javi as small-ball fours in UP, not as traditional fours. The position was just for height purposes. Offensively, they operated from the perimeter. And good point, UP's system gives Kobe the space needed to drive the lane.

    Kobe also operated from the perimeter under Tab, even as a four. He also operated well from the nail area.

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    In terms of 3-pt shooting, Kiefer is better than Bolick right now. Kiefer has really done a creditable job of improving his 3-pt shooting in the last 3 yrs or so. We all know that 3-pt shooting used to be Kiefer's chink of the armor, but not anymore.

    In terms of playmaking, I think halos pantay lang sila eh. But I think, defense wise, Kiefer is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    In terms of 3-pt shooting, Kiefer is better than Bolick right now. Kiefer has really done a creditable job of improving his 3-pt shooting in the last 3 yrs or so. We all know that 3-pt shooting used to be Kiefer's chink of the armor, but not anymore.

    In terms of playmaking, I think halos pantay lang sila eh. But I think, defense wise, Kiefer is better.
    IMO Bolick needs to improve his shot selection. He takes so many unecessary long shots. That's been a problem ever since his San Beda days. CBF had to pull him aside sometimes because he's too full of himself..

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    Not hating on JF but it's a lot easier dominating the PBA when there's only one player who's taller than you.. and that player is as slow as molasses. How would he improve as a player when it's easy two point whenever he posts up
    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Which of course gave Junmar & most of us fans a false sense of security, aminin man natin o hindi, seeing Junmar dominating the other big men in the PBA, we thought he would make some immediate impact at least in Asian basketball. But that wasn't the case during Junmar's early stint with Gilas. It was only during 2016 & onwards that Junmar began to exhibit some impact with Gilas.

    The thing is, 19-year old Kai Sotto made more impact with Gilas than a 23-year old Junmar in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship.
    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    There's a reason why coaches manages JF's minutes. He's a bad defender. As bad as out of shape Blatche is JF was even worse. Not saying Kai is DPOY material but he looked miles better than JF was on that end with his length and mobility
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    And yet most of us here whined about Junmar not getting enough minutes under coach Chot with Gilas-2 & Gilas-3
    Another problem was, he got involved offensively only later into his Gilas career. All he was good for was putbacks and the occasional drop-off passes. He barely got post-ups or even PnR action.

    Well, as for gaining weight, even if he did like eating plenty of rice, that weight could still be controlled to at least 250lbs through training. If that weight was controlled, maybe he could have been a more passable defender in the international scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    Another problem was, he got involved offensively only later into his Gilas career. All he was good for was putbacks and the occasional drop-off passes. He barely got post-ups or even PnR action.

    Well, as for gaining weight, even if he did like eating plenty of rice, that weight could still be controlled to at least 250lbs through training. If that weight was controlled, maybe he could have been a more passable defender in the international scene.
    Even that dirty scumbag Bill Laimbeer had more arsenal than Junemar. As much as I hate Laimbeer, the guy was ahead of his time as a center skills-wise.
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