The romour is that Javtokas will be a candidate as president of federation. Interesting that Kazlauskas is mentioned as possible vice president and Jakilaitis as the head of press. It's funny, Javtokas was complaining about Kazlauskas after OG, now they gonna work together? Anyway, Kaukenas and Balciunas also one of the possible options. Hope the rumour is true, cause it is solid options. I would favour the latter couple, cause Balciunas has tons of experience and I thought he worked really well and Kaukenas is respected on and off court personality, activist ect. I wouldn't mind to see Javtokas/Kazlauskas either. Also Butautas and Sabonis as vice president. With all respect to legend...let's move on to the new decade really...
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Javtokas as candidate for president is an old rumour floating around for few years. But never confirmed, still might be true. Anyway, never heard about any conflicts between him Kazlauskas, it just sounds unrealistic. Must be some fake news. They could perfectly work together IMO bearing their characters, work ethics. Question is experience in exactly such duties. But we need a full puzzle, not just rumours. Balciunas... I don't trust him too much, remembering all these financial scandals during his and Garastas stint. Personal issues, fishy persons around and etc. It's a rare case when someone was forced to go out of federation either...
Anyway, losing Sabas is huge thing. Shitty communicator, but you know that he cares about the game, about Lithuania a lot, not some personal stuff. People still doesn't realize how big of a person he is in bball world and how much of an influence he has, which helps for federation to solve lot of issues, attract sponsors, money, organize events, how many doors opens easier with Sabas there. He is basically a guarantee for sponsors/partners that everything will be done smoothly, money will go to the right direction. Could they trust some e.g. Balciunas the same? I doubt. Sabas doesn't need to do much, all the bureaucratic stuff might be done by anyone else, his name alone in federation helped a lot. It would be great if there would be some way for him to stay if he is willing to do that. Of course grey mass won't agree on it, cause in Lithuania you must have sweet tongue, be a demagogue, and give away plenty of promises to please the crowd, they love it, but Sabas can't do this. But that's another story
It would be interesting to see full list of candidates someday, their staff and their agendas, but I guess we'll have to wait for it
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Originally posted by Mindozas View PostJavtokas as candidate for president is an old rumour floating around for few years. But never confirmed, still might be true. Anyway, never heard about any conflicts between him Kazlauskas, it just sounds unrealistic. Must be some fake news. They could perfectly work together IMO bearing their characters, work ethics. Question is experience in exactly such duties. But we need a full puzzle, not just rumours. Balciunas... I don't trust him too much, remembering all these financial scandals during his and Garastas stint. Personal issues, fishy persons around and etc. It's a rare case when someone was forced to go out of federation either...
Anyway, losing Sabas is huge thing. Shitty communicator, but you know that he cares about the game, about Lithuania a lot, not some personal stuff. People still doesn't realize how big of a person he is in bball world and how much of an influence he has, which helps for federation to solve lot of issues, attract sponsors, money, organize events, how many doors opens easier with Sabas there. He is basically a guarantee for sponsors/partners that everything will be done smoothly, money will go to the right direction. Could they trust some e.g. Balciunas the same? I doubt. Sabas doesn't need to do much, all the bureaucratic stuff might be done by anyone else, his name alone in federation helped a lot. It would be great if there would be some way for him to stay if he is willing to do that. Of course grey mass won't agree on it, cause in Lithuania you must have sweet tongue, be a demagogue, and give away plenty of promises to please the crowd, they love it, but Sabas can't do this. But that's another story
It would be interesting to see full list of candidates someday, their staff and their agendas, but I guess we'll have to wait for it
Balciunas worked well. Institutions cleared him out. Wasn't Spokas and Balciunas like colleagues back then? Players were super high on him, NT never lacked anything. Some NT members (Maciulis, Kleiza) even mocked this Kazlauskas, Sabonis revolution back in the day IMO, it was simple clash of egos and Kazlauskas was going nut back in the day. Actually, his wars with media, idiotic scandals duo some random article that Miklovas wrote is exactly why I wouldn't trust Kazlauskas much in this position. He seem to have that paranoid and touchy side of his. But if he's there jut for his name, a flagman, it's more than fine.
Nothing to take away from Sabonis, where's objective proves that Sabonis federation worked better than Balciunas'? What exactly changed in a good way? Not to mention creepy results which could be just a bad timing.LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Originally posted by Straight forward View PostI was referring to his complains after 2016 OG. "If I knew I will play so little I wouldn't had come" and so on. No biggie, they probably have perfect relations.
Originally posted by Straight forward View PostBalciunas worked well. Institutions cleared him out. Wasn't Spokas and Balciunas like colleagues back then? Players were super high on him, NT never lacked anything. Some NT members (Maciulis, Kleiza) even mocked this Kazlauskas, Sabonis revolution back in the day IMO, it was simple clash of egos and Kazlauskas was going nut back in the day. Actually, his wars with media, idiotic scandals duo some random article that Miklovas wrote is exactly why I wouldn't trust Kazlauskas much in this position. He seem to have that paranoid and touchy side of his. But if he's there jut for his name, a flagman, it's more than fine.
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That's one of way to look at it I guess. IDK how much your words are correct on questionable side of Balciunas, I can't value that cause I don't have any info, but since institutions cleared him out I can't take these doubts for granted as well. Let's say Sabonis brought clearance and more unity hopefully, which is not the fact cause Balciunas never was proven to be corrupt, let's not forget that (even though we still felt that division between Vilnius and Kaunas to certain degree and not all BB people love the fact that Kaunas dominates so much at this point, thus why I would be high on Kaukenas/Balciunas federation, that's a mid soil, Kaukenas is Vilnius legend, Balciunas is more of a Kaunas guy and so on. Off course, this division was felt in Garastas days as well, so it's an old issue). But on other hand, we witnessed tons of other issues with current federation, as my mentioned media scandals, Sabonis threats to media leave federation, absolute silence from federation (how this correlate with clearness...), fishy head coach elections, absolute failure with B plan of the head coach Adomaitis, most shameful stretch of Lithuanian BB with Maskoliunas under the wheel, fishy projects of Lith BB home (maybe some actual street courts and women ball could be priorities rather?), worst Olympic games ever, longest stretch without medals ever (nevertheless it should be taken into counting to certain extent surely). So summa summarum it's really far from obvious that Sabonis federation was better federation.LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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i want in head federation people that i and other basketball fans could trust 100%. Federation always could hire organistional specialist,but face of federation should be able talk with honesty and able to adress simple people.Lithuanian people care about NT alot.
I trust Javtokas+Kazlauskas 100% never heard anything shady about them in last 30 years.Just good honorable men with real leaders abilities. They would have my vote.
Kaukenas+Balciunas i dont trust Balciunas and it wont change.That men does dirty things behind scenes and i dont care he proved or not court in that.All those talks didnt come from nowhere.
Butautas+Spokas its too weak tandem for main basketball faces looking at world of basketball scene.I hate the fact that they can use Sabonis name in this voting and later he will not be involved.Sabas wants out everybody knows that,but Spokas using their friendship to stay in federation before he leaves.
For world of basketball Javtokas+Kazlauskas would look very seriuosly in other countries basketball presidents eyes for sure.That matters when presidents trying to find common grounds.
But in such political things those honorable candidates usually dont win,because those shady ones does dirty deals before voting.Last edited by Shawshank; 03-21-2021, 12:57 PM.
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Well, very interesting that philanthropist Rimas Kaukenas thinks (if the rumor correct) that Balčiūnas is a clean personality, but some guys know better here IDK, I'm not in either side, but if Rimas, the guy has been doing amazing social activity, would work with him, then he has 100perc. trust in him. Actually, all ex NT members are super high on him, such as Maciulis, Kleiza ect. Journalists also love him. I think you guys crossing the line here a little bit.LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Balciunas almost got in jail for his action in federation and now we gonna hire him again ?
We are talking here not just about some rumour it was real thing.That went for years in court.
Basketball players don't know nothing about federation biurocratics things.
I can't trust person who literally was blamed for money laundering .Such persons can't be allowed to be anywhere close with ltu basketball money again.
Why Balciunas is so interested to comeback to organisation which put his name to shit ?
Normal persons do act like that unless they see goldmine.
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What are you talking about man? I mean we live in a law state world since Roman empire. If you get to the court it's normal process. You don't become criminal because you get the court Dude, this attitude is so defective. Even criminals should have all f...rights to regain trust and authority, it's ridiculous how people victimize some criminals. We live in the society lead by LAW. And it's not a shame to be in the court (I never was here BTW, just to make it clear I'm not covering my ass here )
Dude, so you can't trust anyone who was blamed by someone and then cleared out? Come on man, that's so obscurant
Exactly. BB players can't be good managers. The rumour is that Javtokas has a basketball player as GM. This would be crappy decision, IMO.
Why he wants to come back? He loves the job, he has experience, he has tons of good memories, he thinks that meaningful job. I just assume. Isn't that enough?
Again, I'm not saying Balciunas is necessary 100perc. clean. But do we have facts that he doesn't? No. Do we have fact's that Spokas is absolutely clean? Also, no. I mean let's not get back to middle ages please...LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Originally posted by Straight forward View PostThat's one of way to look at it I guess. IDK how much your words are correct on questionable side of Balciunas, I can't value that cause I don't have any info, but since institutions cleared him out I can't take these doubts for granted as well. Let's say Sabonis brought clearance and more unity hopefully, which is not the fact cause Balciunas never was proven to be corrupt, let's not forget that (even though we still felt that division between Vilnius and Kaunas to certain degree and not all BB people love the fact that Kaunas dominates so much at this point, thus why I would be high on Kaukenas/Balciunas federation, that's a mid soil, Kaukenas is Vilnius legend, Balciunas is more of a Kaunas guy and so on. Off course, this division was felt in Garastas days as well, so it's an old issue). But on other hand, we witnessed tons of other issues with current federation, as my mentioned media scandals, Sabonis threats to media leave federation, absolute silence from federation (how this correlate with clearness...), fishy head coach elections, absolute failure with B plan of the head coach Adomaitis, most shameful stretch of Lithuanian BB with Maskoliunas under the wheel, fishy projects of Lith BB home (maybe some actual street courts and women ball could be priorities rather?), worst Olympic games ever, longest stretch without medals ever (nevertheless it should be taken into counting to certain extent surely). So summa summarum it's really far from obvious that Sabonis federation was better federation.
Results? You just wrote it that it was bad timing, now you change your view in few hours for worst result ever... C'mon man, you know it won't work Maybe cause we had worst Olympic team ever? A team which reached it's maximum. And the same result as in 2012. While we fcked up in 2008 and 2004. 2004 was worst Olympic result ever knowing what kind of team we had. Then you say Adomaitis, Maskoliunas and you totally ignore Kazlauskas... whom exactly Sabas brought back to HC position and who brought us to those two EB finals, WC top4 without Kalnietis and Olympics. If not for clearance, I'd say that Kazlauskas signing was the biggest achievement Sabas fed made. It was very close that we would've stayed with just one in 2013, thnx to the same Balciunas. Who btw, kept on helm Butautas after failing over and over again, in all 3 tournaments he worked and wasn't fired even after 2nd till it was absolute disaster in 2009. Simply cause he suited federation, was their guy. This is how it should work? Kemzura addition was no less strange and controversial too. More than Adomaitis back in 2017. Good that at least once he overachieved.
And you don't need to be jailed to have fishy reputation. Balciunas of course was liked by media, cause he was that nice talker, communicative guy wth sweet tongue. Overall that federation (Balciunas/Garastas) loved to fight their private wars via media and media simply loved that, they had tons of material to talk about. IIRC Marciulionis even brought Balciunas to court cause of some public words and won. But not that it makes Balciunas criminal, just to prove my words that he was very open to media to go personal and fight back. I surely prefer silence to that. No wonder he had lot of enemies in bball circles. Being in conflict with persons like Sabas and Kazlas alone says a lot. Kaukenas being paired with him looks strange, but possible. Sweet tongue, some looking good ideas might buy players. We've seen former bball players being involved in lot of strange connections, mostly to be fooled later. I don't mean to say that this is the case, but it looks fishy as hell. Even the same Guoga back then managed to squeeze into federation and stick for few years doing mostly self promotion. I don't know what Balciunas is up to now, but given all his past and reputation, that's not the person I'd like to see in federation and that's even nothing to do with his trials.
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If killer is plead not guilty because it wasn't enough evidence it doesn't mean he isn't a killer in reality.
Thousands every year guilty persons is pleaded not guilty in courts of the world.
Balciunas won in court and he will not go to jail.
But will he get second chance working with money in same company? Of course not.
Nobody in his right mind is comming back to organisation that put his name to shit, led his to have 5+ years in court.
Unless you know it from inside that organisation and know its goldmine.
If you believe in such fairy tale that Balciunas just likes and want to help ale ltu basketball yeah right ok very naive dreaming.
I would rather see Gedvilas, but not Balciunas with his very shady past.Last edited by Shawshank; 03-21-2021, 06:40 PM.
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LOL. Yeah, and thousands not guilty going to jail. What are we exactly taking about here? The LAW will never be perfect, but that's the best instrument civilized man have. Other solution to try to rip each other apart for justice. You look at being in court as a visit to hell for a christian It's very funny outdated, superstitious position.
And off course people get big jobs and responsibilities even after being convinced. It would be horrible to live in society where you wouldn't have a chance to bounce back to learn from your mistakes. How do you think progress work? When all beautiful people who never make mistakes came together and lived in the paradise? No, it's not exactly the narrative
Look, court cleared him out. WTF are you even talk about? If someone will suit you, you are suddenly a shit? There's a good chance you'll be in the court any moment. Boom car incident, boom some fighting in the bar. You just stigmatize normal process of modern world, it's sound ridiculous
I'm not agreeing with all what Mindozas says, but he absolutely correct that if you find Balciunas fishy it's not particularly about the trial, actually the court cleared him out and he even proved his reputation this way. It's about other things, and we can discuss whenever he is worth to have another shot, but it's ridiculous to have such redneck positions about the LAW. Every now and than absolutely innocent man, maybe the most virtuous around, gets to the jail (usually because he doesn't have as much money as opponent has). How this sounds for that kind of guy when you say "hey look he has walking to the court for years, he's in shit cause these things don't happen from nowhere".LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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I've never been to any kind of court on trial for anything in my life and I could never imagine the shame I and any other decent person would feel by being forced to endure this humiliating process lol The very fact that SF actually defends and even compliments this lifestyle is head-scratching to me imo. Let me just preface by saying that no law abiding decent citizen would ever go to court unless dragged there by some scumbag who simply wants to scam him off his money
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Originally posted by madmax View PostI've never been to any kind of court on trial for anything in my life and I could never imagine the shame I and any other decent person would feel by being forced to endure this humiliating process lol The very fact that SF actually defends and even compliments this lifestyle is head-scratching to me imo. Let me just preface by saying that no law abiding decent citizen would ever go to court unless dragged there by some scumbag who simply wants to scam him off his moneyLTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Well, Javtokas candidature is official now. Kazlauskas in as well. I'm not against these guys generally, far from the worst what could happen. But Jakilaitis to me is pretty random here. Not a fan. I mean kind mixed feeling. And, off course, Shawshank, you'll have to root for Getvilas team indeed, because Jakilaitis had some issues with conflicts of interests, I mean someone had doubts about him So if you will be consistent, there's no way you're supporting this dirty/"shitty" team He also was in the court becase he called J. Didiziulis as "cigonas". I mean the dude is done...
LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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