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  • LKF Presidential Election

    The romour is that Javtokas will be a candidate as president of federation. Interesting that Kazlauskas is mentioned as possible vice president and Jakilaitis as the head of press. It's funny, Javtokas was complaining about Kazlauskas after OG, now they gonna work together? Anyway, Kaukenas and Balciunas also one of the possible options. Hope the rumour is true, cause it is solid options. I would favour the latter couple, cause Balciunas has tons of experience and I thought he worked really well and Kaukenas is respected on and off court personality, activist ect. I wouldn't mind to see Javtokas/Kazlauskas either. Also Butautas and Sabonis as vice president. With all respect to legend...let's move on to the new decade really...
    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
    Buzelis, Lelevicius
    Murauskas, Sirvydis
    Tubelis, Krivas

  • #2
    Javtokas as candidate for president is an old rumour floating around for few years. But never confirmed, still might be true. Anyway, never heard about any conflicts between him Kazlauskas, it just sounds unrealistic. Must be some fake news. They could perfectly work together IMO bearing their characters, work ethics. Question is experience in exactly such duties. But we need a full puzzle, not just rumours. Balciunas... I don't trust him too much, remembering all these financial scandals during his and Garastas stint. Personal issues, fishy persons around and etc. It's a rare case when someone was forced to go out of federation either...
    Anyway, losing Sabas is huge thing. Shitty communicator, but you know that he cares about the game, about Lithuania a lot, not some personal stuff. People still doesn't realize how big of a person he is in bball world and how much of an influence he has, which helps for federation to solve lot of issues, attract sponsors, money, organize events, how many doors opens easier with Sabas there. He is basically a guarantee for sponsors/partners that everything will be done smoothly, money will go to the right direction. Could they trust some e.g. Balciunas the same? I doubt. Sabas doesn't need to do much, all the bureaucratic stuff might be done by anyone else, his name alone in federation helped a lot. It would be great if there would be some way for him to stay if he is willing to do that. Of course grey mass won't agree on it, cause in Lithuania you must have sweet tongue, be a demagogue, and give away plenty of promises to please the crowd, they love it, but Sabas can't do this. But that's another story
    It would be interesting to see full list of candidates someday, their staff and their agendas, but I guess we'll have to wait for it

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mindozas View Post
      Javtokas as candidate for president is an old rumour floating around for few years. But never confirmed, still might be true. Anyway, never heard about any conflicts between him Kazlauskas, it just sounds unrealistic. Must be some fake news. They could perfectly work together IMO bearing their characters, work ethics. Question is experience in exactly such duties. But we need a full puzzle, not just rumours. Balciunas... I don't trust him too much, remembering all these financial scandals during his and Garastas stint. Personal issues, fishy persons around and etc. It's a rare case when someone was forced to go out of federation either...
      Anyway, losing Sabas is huge thing. Shitty communicator, but you know that he cares about the game, about Lithuania a lot, not some personal stuff. People still doesn't realize how big of a person he is in bball world and how much of an influence he has, which helps for federation to solve lot of issues, attract sponsors, money, organize events, how many doors opens easier with Sabas there. He is basically a guarantee for sponsors/partners that everything will be done smoothly, money will go to the right direction. Could they trust some e.g. Balciunas the same? I doubt. Sabas doesn't need to do much, all the bureaucratic stuff might be done by anyone else, his name alone in federation helped a lot. It would be great if there would be some way for him to stay if he is willing to do that. Of course grey mass won't agree on it, cause in Lithuania you must have sweet tongue, be a demagogue, and give away plenty of promises to please the crowd, they love it, but Sabas can't do this. But that's another story
      It would be interesting to see full list of candidates someday, their staff and their agendas, but I guess we'll have to wait for it
      I was referring to his complains after 2016 OG. "If I knew I will play so little I wouldn't had come" and so on. No biggie, they probably have perfect relations.

      Balciunas worked well. Institutions cleared him out. Wasn't Spokas and Balciunas like colleagues back then? Players were super high on him, NT never lacked anything. Some NT members (Maciulis, Kleiza) even mocked this Kazlauskas, Sabonis revolution back in the day IMO, it was simple clash of egos and Kazlauskas was going nut back in the day. Actually, his wars with media, idiotic scandals duo some random article that Miklovas wrote is exactly why I wouldn't trust Kazlauskas much in this position. He seem to have that paranoid and touchy side of his. But if he's there jut for his name, a flagman, it's more than fine.

      Nothing to take away from Sabonis, where's objective proves that Sabonis federation worked better than Balciunas'? What exactly changed in a good way? Not to mention creepy results which could be just a bad timing.
      LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

      Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
      Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
      Buzelis, Lelevicius
      Murauskas, Sirvydis
      Tubelis, Krivas

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
        I was referring to his complains after 2016 OG. "If I knew I will play so little I wouldn't had come" and so on. No biggie, they probably have perfect relations.
        I don't remember him saying that he wouldn't had come, just that he was a bit disappointed with everything after that tournament, but it's normal thing

        Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
        Balciunas worked well. Institutions cleared him out. Wasn't Spokas and Balciunas like colleagues back then? Players were super high on him, NT never lacked anything. Some NT members (Maciulis, Kleiza) even mocked this Kazlauskas, Sabonis revolution back in the day IMO, it was simple clash of egos and Kazlauskas was going nut back in the day. Actually, his wars with media, idiotic scandals duo some random article that Miklovas wrote is exactly why I wouldn't trust Kazlauskas much in this position. He seem to have that paranoid and touchy side of his. But if he's there jut for his name, a flagman, it's more than fine.
        And who was working with NT back then and organizing things? It was Spokas. And yeah, its such a big thing to fight with our great media, much bigger than financial scandals which led federation in whole 00s and start of 10s... C'mon man. Institutions cleared Balciunas out for one thing, but there were more scandals around Garastas/Balciunas federation than that. Then personal issues, conflicts within organization, with coaches, bball people and etc. I wrote/reminded for you about it just few weeks ago, about Balciunas and Garastas time. Some scandals during their spell, mostly about finances, money, their couldn't share it in bball circles. Did you hear much about it during Sabas era? Spokas and Balciunas were working in federation, but their statuses were way different. As I wrote, Spokas worked with NT more, all that camps and etc, he was in Beijing as NT boss IIRC, then he worked with organization of events, the biggest was Eurobasket 2011, then he moved to swimming federation, he came back to replace Balciunas. While Balciunas had everything in his hands, it was easy to control it when you had aging Garastas beside you. So yeah, organizational things with NT were decent all the time, team got funding, some props to Balciunas, but financial part was very different and it was very fishy back in the day. That was the main difference when Sabas came - clearance. It's very important when you look for money, try to attract sponsors, try to get some events organization. The name of Sabas does the rest. I don't want to picture Balciunas as some sly dirty person only, he did some good things also, and aging Garastas fought some personal wars too to make fed look worse, but Balciunas won't receive that much trust due to all that past and I can't trust such person too, there's no smoke without a fire. Overall results... yeah it's bad timing, but not just that, it's result of work we did back in 90s, even 00s, especially talking about death of women bball, which started somewhere in mid 00s. Good that at least there are some movement towards coaches clinics/work, finally, some changes in youth development system, which some likes, some not, but again we'll see results only in some 10 years

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        • #5
          That's one of way to look at it I guess. IDK how much your words are correct on questionable side of Balciunas, I can't value that cause I don't have any info, but since institutions cleared him out I can't take these doubts for granted as well. Let's say Sabonis brought clearance and more unity hopefully, which is not the fact cause Balciunas never was proven to be corrupt, let's not forget that (even though we still felt that division between Vilnius and Kaunas to certain degree and not all BB people love the fact that Kaunas dominates so much at this point, thus why I would be high on Kaukenas/Balciunas federation, that's a mid soil, Kaukenas is Vilnius legend, Balciunas is more of a Kaunas guy and so on. Off course, this division was felt in Garastas days as well, so it's an old issue). But on other hand, we witnessed tons of other issues with current federation, as my mentioned media scandals, Sabonis threats to media leave federation, absolute silence from federation (how this correlate with clearness...), fishy head coach elections, absolute failure with B plan of the head coach Adomaitis, most shameful stretch of Lithuanian BB with Maskoliunas under the wheel, fishy projects of Lith BB home (maybe some actual street courts and women ball could be priorities rather?), worst Olympic games ever, longest stretch without medals ever (nevertheless it should be taken into counting to certain extent surely). So summa summarum it's really far from obvious that Sabonis federation was better federation.
          LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

          Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
          Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
          Buzelis, Lelevicius
          Murauskas, Sirvydis
          Tubelis, Krivas

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          • #6
            i want in head federation people that i and other basketball fans could trust 100%. Federation always could hire organistional specialist,but face of federation should be able talk with honesty and able to adress simple people.Lithuanian people care about NT alot.

            I trust Javtokas+Kazlauskas 100% never heard anything shady about them in last 30 years.Just good honorable men with real leaders abilities. They would have my vote.

            Kaukenas+Balciunas i dont trust Balciunas and it wont change.That men does dirty things behind scenes and i dont care he proved or not court in that.All those talks didnt come from nowhere.

            Butautas+Spokas its too weak tandem for main basketball faces looking at world of basketball scene.I hate the fact that they can use Sabonis name in this voting and later he will not be involved.Sabas wants out everybody knows that,but Spokas using their friendship to stay in federation before he leaves.

            For world of basketball Javtokas+Kazlauskas would look very seriuosly in other countries basketball presidents eyes for sure.That matters when presidents trying to find common grounds.

            But in such political things those honorable candidates usually dont win,because those shady ones does dirty deals before voting.
            Last edited by Shawshank; 03-21-2021, 12:57 PM.

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            • #7
              Well, very interesting that philanthropist Rimas Kaukenas thinks (if the rumor correct) that Balčiūnas is a clean personality, but some guys know better here IDK, I'm not in either side, but if Rimas, the guy has been doing amazing social activity, would work with him, then he has 100perc. trust in him. Actually, all ex NT members are super high on him, such as Maciulis, Kleiza ect. Journalists also love him. I think you guys crossing the line here a little bit.
              LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

              Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
              Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
              Buzelis, Lelevicius
              Murauskas, Sirvydis
              Tubelis, Krivas

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              • #8
                Balciunas almost got in jail for his action in federation and now we gonna hire him again ?

                We are talking here not just about some rumour it was real thing.That went for years in court.

                Basketball players don't know nothing about federation biurocratics things.

                I can't trust person who literally was blamed for money laundering .Such persons can't be allowed to be anywhere close with ltu basketball money again.

                Why Balciunas is so interested to comeback to organisation which put his name to shit ?

                Normal persons do act like that unless they see goldmine.

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                • #9
                  What are you talking about man? I mean we live in a law state world since Roman empire. If you get to the court it's normal process. You don't become criminal because you get the court Dude, this attitude is so defective. Even criminals should have all f...rights to regain trust and authority, it's ridiculous how people victimize some criminals. We live in the society lead by LAW. And it's not a shame to be in the court (I never was here BTW, just to make it clear I'm not covering my ass here )

                  Dude, so you can't trust anyone who was blamed by someone and then cleared out? Come on man, that's so obscurant

                  Exactly. BB players can't be good managers. The rumour is that Javtokas has a basketball player as GM. This would be crappy decision, IMO.

                  Why he wants to come back? He loves the job, he has experience, he has tons of good memories, he thinks that meaningful job. I just assume. Isn't that enough?

                  Again, I'm not saying Balciunas is necessary 100perc. clean. But do we have facts that he doesn't? No. Do we have fact's that Spokas is absolutely clean? Also, no. I mean let's not get back to middle ages please...
                  LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                  Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                  Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                  Buzelis, Lelevicius
                  Murauskas, Sirvydis
                  Tubelis, Krivas

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                    That's one of way to look at it I guess. IDK how much your words are correct on questionable side of Balciunas, I can't value that cause I don't have any info, but since institutions cleared him out I can't take these doubts for granted as well. Let's say Sabonis brought clearance and more unity hopefully, which is not the fact cause Balciunas never was proven to be corrupt, let's not forget that (even though we still felt that division between Vilnius and Kaunas to certain degree and not all BB people love the fact that Kaunas dominates so much at this point, thus why I would be high on Kaukenas/Balciunas federation, that's a mid soil, Kaukenas is Vilnius legend, Balciunas is more of a Kaunas guy and so on. Off course, this division was felt in Garastas days as well, so it's an old issue). But on other hand, we witnessed tons of other issues with current federation, as my mentioned media scandals, Sabonis threats to media leave federation, absolute silence from federation (how this correlate with clearness...), fishy head coach elections, absolute failure with B plan of the head coach Adomaitis, most shameful stretch of Lithuanian BB with Maskoliunas under the wheel, fishy projects of Lith BB home (maybe some actual street courts and women ball could be priorities rather?), worst Olympic games ever, longest stretch without medals ever (nevertheless it should be taken into counting to certain extent surely). So summa summarum it's really far from obvious that Sabonis federation was better federation.
                    Yeah, it's so easy to "forget" all these tons of issues from Balciunas stint, but to recall couple of issues in this federation stint and call it tons It was one and only scandal when Sabas and Kazlas left. Yeah, a bit sensitive act, but did it do any harm to anyone? No, I think it was only for the better at the end, cause some rats went out of the ship. Bball house, it's questionable project whether we need that museum or not, but clean as water in Bora Bora. Other thing you must be joking about "absolute silence from federation (how this correlate with clearness...)" whooot... I mean how can it correlate at all? Silence and not being clear. If smth would be fishy, then it would be horns blowing in press, like it was in Balciunas/Garastas times. This "silence" from federation is just your personal issue and that's it, you don't like communication part, you want to be surrounded by news and every detail. It's fine, but that's their choice how to do it, let's say I like to hear things when they are done and not "we are planning to do, "we will do" and etc. Usually when in such institution, be it sports, culture, politics, smth fishy is happening, it doesn't go unnoticed for almost 10 years, cause people can't share the money, it's their nature. Nowadays some Malinauskas and co podcasters would be swallowing material like a cold beer in hot day.
                    Results? You just wrote it that it was bad timing, now you change your view in few hours for worst result ever... C'mon man, you know it won't work Maybe cause we had worst Olympic team ever? A team which reached it's maximum. And the same result as in 2012. While we fcked up in 2008 and 2004. 2004 was worst Olympic result ever knowing what kind of team we had. Then you say Adomaitis, Maskoliunas and you totally ignore Kazlauskas... whom exactly Sabas brought back to HC position and who brought us to those two EB finals, WC top4 without Kalnietis and Olympics. If not for clearance, I'd say that Kazlauskas signing was the biggest achievement Sabas fed made. It was very close that we would've stayed with just one in 2013, thnx to the same Balciunas. Who btw, kept on helm Butautas after failing over and over again, in all 3 tournaments he worked and wasn't fired even after 2nd till it was absolute disaster in 2009. Simply cause he suited federation, was their guy. This is how it should work? Kemzura addition was no less strange and controversial too. More than Adomaitis back in 2017. Good that at least once he overachieved.

                    And you don't need to be jailed to have fishy reputation. Balciunas of course was liked by media, cause he was that nice talker, communicative guy wth sweet tongue. Overall that federation (Balciunas/Garastas) loved to fight their private wars via media and media simply loved that, they had tons of material to talk about. IIRC Marciulionis even brought Balciunas to court cause of some public words and won. But not that it makes Balciunas criminal, just to prove my words that he was very open to media to go personal and fight back. I surely prefer silence to that. No wonder he had lot of enemies in bball circles. Being in conflict with persons like Sabas and Kazlas alone says a lot. Kaukenas being paired with him looks strange, but possible. Sweet tongue, some looking good ideas might buy players. We've seen former bball players being involved in lot of strange connections, mostly to be fooled later. I don't mean to say that this is the case, but it looks fishy as hell. Even the same Guoga back then managed to squeeze into federation and stick for few years doing mostly self promotion. I don't know what Balciunas is up to now, but given all his past and reputation, that's not the person I'd like to see in federation and that's even nothing to do with his trials.

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                    • #11
                      If killer is plead not guilty because it wasn't enough evidence it doesn't mean he isn't a killer in reality.

                      Thousands every year guilty persons is pleaded not guilty in courts of the world.

                      Balciunas won in court and he will not go to jail.

                      But will he get second chance working with money in same company? Of course not.

                      Nobody in his right mind is comming back to organisation that put his name to shit, led his to have 5+ years in court.

                      Unless you know it from inside that organisation and know its goldmine.

                      If you believe in such fairy tale that Balciunas just likes and want to help ale ltu basketball yeah right ok very naive dreaming.

                      I would rather see Gedvilas, but not Balciunas with his very shady past.
                      Last edited by Shawshank; 03-21-2021, 06:40 PM.

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                      • #12
                        LOL. Yeah, and thousands not guilty going to jail. What are we exactly taking about here? The LAW will never be perfect, but that's the best instrument civilized man have. Other solution to try to rip each other apart for justice. You look at being in court as a visit to hell for a christian It's very funny outdated, superstitious position.

                        And off course people get big jobs and responsibilities even after being convinced. It would be horrible to live in society where you wouldn't have a chance to bounce back to learn from your mistakes. How do you think progress work? When all beautiful people who never make mistakes came together and lived in the paradise? No, it's not exactly the narrative

                        Look, court cleared him out. WTF are you even talk about? If someone will suit you, you are suddenly a shit? There's a good chance you'll be in the court any moment. Boom car incident, boom some fighting in the bar. You just stigmatize normal process of modern world, it's sound ridiculous

                        I'm not agreeing with all what Mindozas says, but he absolutely correct that if you find Balciunas fishy it's not particularly about the trial, actually the court cleared him out and he even proved his reputation this way. It's about other things, and we can discuss whenever he is worth to have another shot, but it's ridiculous to have such redneck positions about the LAW. Every now and than absolutely innocent man, maybe the most virtuous around, gets to the jail (usually because he doesn't have as much money as opponent has). How this sounds for that kind of guy when you say "hey look he has walking to the court for years, he's in shit cause these things don't happen from nowhere".
                        LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                        Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                        Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                        Buzelis, Lelevicius
                        Murauskas, Sirvydis
                        Tubelis, Krivas

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                        • #13
                          I've never been to any kind of court on trial for anything in my life and I could never imagine the shame I and any other decent person would feel by being forced to endure this humiliating process lol The very fact that SF actually defends and even compliments this lifestyle is head-scratching to me imo. Let me just preface by saying that no law abiding decent citizen would ever go to court unless dragged there by some scumbag who simply wants to scam him off his money

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by madmax View Post
                            I've never been to any kind of court on trial for anything in my life and I could never imagine the shame I and any other decent person would feel by being forced to endure this humiliating process lol The very fact that SF actually defends and even compliments this lifestyle is head-scratching to me imo. Let me just preface by saying that no law abiding decent citizen would ever go to court unless dragged there by some scumbag who simply wants to scam him off his money
                            Thanks for your idiotic insight and negation of it at the end of your post. Well done.
                            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                            Buzelis, Lelevicius
                            Murauskas, Sirvydis
                            Tubelis, Krivas

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                            • #15
                              Well, Javtokas candidature is official now. Kazlauskas in as well. I'm not against these guys generally, far from the worst what could happen. But Jakilaitis to me is pretty random here. Not a fan. I mean kind mixed feeling. And, off course, Shawshank, you'll have to root for Getvilas team indeed, because Jakilaitis had some issues with conflicts of interests, I mean someone had doubts about him So if you will be consistent, there's no way you're supporting this dirty/"shitty" team He also was in the court becase he called J. Didiziulis as "cigonas". I mean the dude is done...

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                              LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                              Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                              Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                              Buzelis, Lelevicius
                              Murauskas, Sirvydis
                              Tubelis, Krivas

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