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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz View Post
    So true. Hopefully they can keep as many of this group of players as possible because these playoffs will have been a huge learning experience for so many of them.
    Unless Bayern increases investment, which they totally can and should, they might be decimated by richer teams as they have desirable players like Baldwin (I personally don't like), Reynolds, Lucic, or even Sisko
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    Great playoffs after all.

    Gongrats to Bayern and Zenit for great season.

    On F4 everything is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Objectively speaking u should stop spamming this thread of 20 post each day just by yourself.

    Bobby now you can start your trolling dance here even if result was as most people predicted all 4 favourites won.
    I remember your prediction pretty well, total mismatch, which ended in last minute of game 5. Predictions were pretty off for this series by vast majority of fans.
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    zenit, bayern and real deserve respect, we can see Efes-Milano final, ı trust messina but ı agree too this is f4 everything possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz View Post
    He did stay a while with Bamberg but fell out of favour somewhat after leaving them. So he'd have to be tempted if he got an offer from a powerhouse because there's no guarantee those opportunities will come around again.
    Budget development: 14/15 - 16.9 (9.7 wages) -> 15/16 - 18.0 (10.5 wages) -> 16/17 - 19.0 (10.7 wages) -> 17/18 - 22.7 (13,8 wages) -> 18/19 - 26.4 (17.2 wages).

    The goal of the club was to compete for the Final Four up from the 2022/2023 season as they move into their new arena the SAP Garden. I am pretty sure they will have a budget of something around 35 millions in 22/23 - in case corona plays along with. Its Bayern Munich. In case they want compete they will compete. Basketball is not financed by the football department, non the less they had at least plans for some shared sponsorship deals recently like BMW and Wirecard before Audi won the bidder battle against BMW and Wirecardīs scandal went public. I am sure they will require new sponsors for share deals. All in all itīs sustainable quality work of one of the biggest sport brands in the world, which have already built up an infrastructure with Top4 material.

    2016 Bamberg had the choice between Baiesi + Jasicevicus and Trinchieri. Our chairman aka "owner" choose poorly as several player didnīt want to stay with Trinchieri as head coach. After that Trinchieri had to put a team together on his own which he such isnīt capable of. Instead of keep on going with the strategy of having hungry players who wants to develop and prove something the italian volcano decided to create a team of veterans. It failed. End of story. Great coach, highly intelligent, eloquent, but he had to be a difficult person to work with for a longer period at least thatīs what I have heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thiago94 View Post
    Budget development: 14/15 - 16.9 (9.7 wages) -> 15/16 - 18.0 (10.5 wages) -> 16/17 - 19.0 (10.7 wages) -> 17/18 - 22.7 (13,8 wages) -> 18/19 - 26.4 (17.2 wages).

    The goal of the club was to compete for the Final Four up from the 2022/2023 season as they move into their new arena the SAP Garden. I am pretty sure they will have a budget of something around 35 millions in 22/23 - in case corona plays along with. Its Bayern Munich. In case they want compete they will compete. Basketball is not financed by the football department, non the less they had at least plans for some shared sponsorship deals recently like BMW and Wirecard before Audi won the bidder battle against BMW and Wirecardīs scandal went public. I am sure they will require new sponsors for share deals. All in all itīs sustainable quality work of one of the biggest sport brands in the world, which have already built up an infrastructure with Top4 material.

    2016 Bamberg had the choice between Baiesi + Jasicevicus and Trinchieri. Our chairman aka "owner" choose poorly as several player didnīt want to stay with Trinchieri as head coach. After that Trinchieri had to put a team together on his own which he such isnīt capable of. Instead of keep on going with the strategy of having hungry players who wants to develop and prove something the italian volcano decided to create a team of veterans. It failed. End of story. Great coach, highly intelligent, eloquent, but he had to be a difficult person to work with for a longer period at least thatīs what I have heard.
    I didn't know Bayern has such high budgets. Do you know maybe for 20/21 season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    I didn't know Bayern has such high budgets. Do you know maybe for 20/21 season?
    After the 18/19 season their GM Pesic published that they hope to increase the budget from 20 to 25 million. That was after the failed deal with BMW. The annual financial statement discovered their classic understatement in terms of financial figures. Letīs wait for the numbers of the 19/20 season, they should be published soon. President Hainer was quoted lately that they lost 3 millions due to the pandemic. Taking that into consideration I would assume a total budget of 28-30 million.

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    Thanks for all the info Thiago. Those are quite impressive numbers.
    And yes, Trinchieri's signings towards the end of his time in Bamberg were somewhat surprising.

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    You are welcome. I have been fighting against the underdog role of FC Bayern Basketball and Brose Bamberg for quite a while. Bamberg in person of īourī owner and billionaire Michael Stoschek decided to wave the white flag as Bayern receives the EL wildcard and we couldnīt finalize the plans of building a new arena. That was more or less the end of the chance to qualify for Euroleague. Bamberg payed wages of 15.4m in 17/18. It wasnīt based on an organic and sustainable development though, therefore we need to pay the prize nowadays for living over our natural limit. FC Bayern Basketball growths for about one decade with a passion you can only admire even if you canīt stand them like I do. They wonīt stop until they are on the top. Thatīs the published goal and I donīt really see anything to stop them.

    What I have to forget to mention: Taxes and social security contribution cut the numbers in half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thiago94 View Post
    You are welcome. I have been fighting against the underdog role of FC Bayern Basketball and Brose Bamberg for quite a while. Bamberg in person of īourī owner and billionaire Michael Stoschek decided to wave the white flag as Bayern receives the EL wildcard and we couldnīt finalize the plans of building a new arena. That was more or less the end of the chance to qualify for Euroleague. Bamberg payed wages of 15.4m in 17/18. It wasnīt based on an organic and sustainable development though, therefore we need to pay the prize nowadays for living over our natural limit. FC Bayern Basketball growths for about one decade with a passion you can only admire even if you canīt stand them like I do. They wonīt stop until they are on the top. Thatīs the published goal and I donīt really see anything to stop them.

    What I have to forget to mention: Taxes and social security contribution cut the numbers in half.
    It's a shame, atmosphere in Bamberg was fantastic in Euroleague games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz View Post
    It's a shame, atmosphere in Bamberg was fantastic in Euroleague games.
    Thanks. It was indeed eventhough it wasnīt nearly as good as it used to be in earlier years. On the one hand side Bamberg misses the Euroleague, on the other side I am convinced that we are back in our natural biotope where we came from and belong to. We arenīt romans we are gauls.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8bUtnXVywE&t=264s
    Very interesting interview with Trinchieri for those who are interested in.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x9PKutTHT8

    Analysis of Game 5s for those who are fanatics and interested. Starts at about 32:40

    Take a note how Pau sets his blocks...

    And look at Efes spacing with 3 out at 1:25:44 situation. You could gamble on Micic but when he hits like in this series this is pretty indefendable. It's not their basketball but they look frightening in this set. Real literally didn't even try to help on Singleton because everyone outside three point line could hit and weakside was Dunston who scores always in this situations around basket.
    Last edited by Katastroika; 05-11-2021 at 11:56 AM.

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    Great analysis. Thank you @Katastroika for this

    Like we commented already Sanli is the key player for Efes's spacing, Singleton also

    In semi against CSKA mistery for ataman will be if if Milutinov will play or not. In some scenario Dunston could be useful in defense, but offensively they will need to strech CSKA regardless of Milutinov presence

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    Quote Originally Posted by thiago94 View Post
    Thanks. It was indeed eventhough it wasnīt nearly as good as it used to be in earlier years. On the one hand side Bamberg misses the Euroleague, on the other side I am convinced that we are back in our natural biotope where we came from and belong to. We arenīt romans we are gauls.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8bUtnXVywE&t=264s
    Very interesting interview with Trinchieri for those who are interested in.
    Thank you for posting this. He's always a great interviewee but this was especially interesting being two days after game 5.

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    Pretty cool to see 8-9 Americans on the court at almost all times in the Munich-Milan series. If countries abolished their asinine passport restrictions way more games would be that way.

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