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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    Nothing , your argument is flawed, the Philippines was simply better in 2014 than japan and Korea has ever been in a WC period, all credit to them , you can throw all these theories out of surprise or whatever., they placed higher and performed better than any Asian team in 2014 plain and simple. all credit to them

    give credit where it is due
    A line up of an NBA 6' 10 talent as versatile as Blatche and fit is damn good ( one of the best players in the 2014 WC)
    add , Ranidel
    a Norwood a final 4 NCAA talent rotation player
    Alapag
    and Castro

    and talent is talent , that team was good. call it as it is. no excuses

    can that be repeated using the exact same formula and approach for a different time , 2023 and beyond. simple answer is NO.. it does not work that way
    Then why keep saying element of surprise was the reason ever since?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    Then why keep saying element of surprise was the reason ever since?
    Honeymoon period between Fiba and Philippines duringb2014 fiba. Imagine the market of 50 million filipino households warching fiba games..2019 isnt juat pure Yeng Guiao or 2016 is Tabs its just that...
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    huh your trolling.. many teams with NBA talent don't make the quarterfinals. there is no shame with not making the quarters

    You're lieing, bottom 8 , 24 to 32 is a real classification group. it was determined 1st by win loss record, then quotient to break ties. FIBA has a criteria of determine placings , it's all in the rules and who is relegated to classfication round 24 to 32 ( all the Asian team) , which NZ was not it was in the 16 to 23 classfication group , this is determined by hard clear rules. you're making thing up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_F...inal_standings

    there was no world cup in 2004. NZ is not a top 8 team in the world despite it's 4th place finish in 2002. no one is claiming that, except you . it is consistently a mid tier placed team , 40 to 60 %) that is accurate and no shame in that.

    Whlle Asian teams are consistently a bottom 1/3 rd 33 % team in the world cup , these are based on clear FIBA rules for placings , don't make things up
    Then why did you say that "24 to 32 teams got eliminated earlier even before the end of their preliminary round."

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    Honeymoon period between Fiba and Philippines duringb2014 fiba. Imagine the market of 50 million filipino households warching fiba games..2019 isnt juat pure Yeng Guiao or 2016 is Tabs its just that...
    What that got to do with our performance and the element of suprise in WC 2014

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    The tough reality to cap it off was the 2018 brawl between us and Boomers, we just cant simply jump off with world class teams and expect to make it close..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ja.he View Post
    Unlike Gilas, whom aside from Blatche, the whole team was virtually unknown to the world basketball community, Japan has more known personalities when they played in the world cup. Guys like Hachimura, Watanabe, Baba, Hiejima, Fazekas and even their coach Lamas are known internationally because of their previous stints overseas. Korea, on the other hand, since I already watched them playing since their OQT stint in 2012, even if they are virtually unknown, their playing style is greatly countered by western country due better system and, obviously, height and heft.
    How did Baba and Hiejima been known to the world? What international stint did the Japan Team had that made them more known than Philippines. Do you mean their were no scounting reports on Philippines?

    With Korea isn't it the same issues with Gilas 2014, height, heft and system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ja.he View Post
    Unlike Gilas, whom aside from Blatche, the whole team was virtually unknown to the world basketball community, Japan has more known personalities when they played in the world cup. Guys like Hachimura, Watanabe, Baba, Hiejima, Fazekas and even their coach Lamas are known internationally because of their previous stints overseas. Korea, on the other hand, since I already watched them playing since their OQT stint in 2012, even if they are virtually unknown, their playing style is greatly countered by western country due better system and, obviously, height and heft.
    How did Baba and Hiejima been known to the world? What international stint did the Japan Team had that made them more known than Philippines. Do you mean their were no scounting reports on Philippines?

    With Korea isn't it the same issues with Gilas 2014, height, heft and system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IshmaelM View Post
    Yes but he also plays SF when we have any combination of Kouame, Kai, Go or Chiu on the floor. Same with Carl. In the OQT we will probably see this more. So against bigger teams Balti will probably be an SF. Even as a 4, if he still drives, shoots from the outside and guards the perimeter, that is an SF skillset.

    This is why I wish,we have Jap he's another 4 with experience,Balti who Tab will use as another 3 with Carl,can sub Jap at 4,whenever needed.We can drop the 2 small guards,have Jordan H and Dwight as the combo guard manning the PG duties..

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    Again for me the competitive showing in WC 2014 was first because of Blatche. He was arguably the best player in that tourney. He did everything from driving, passing, shooting from outside and in the paint, defending and rebounding. The gravity he generated probably opened up the other guys. Our outside shooters, Alapag, Castro, Chan, RDO were good too. The element of surprise was Chots bara bara ball/headless chicken offense. I guess that constant attack offset the defensive liabilities in our team.

    But credit also to the players. Alapag was unconscious from deep 3. Thats modern NBA deep 3 points guard shooting ala Curry, Lillard, Young. Even in the NBA physically unimposing guards become deadly weapons if they have that skill.

    But for me it was fools gold. Alapag was unique. But he was at the tail end of his career. Without him bara bara ball would not be as effective. Chot built a team that at its best would keep the score close but would not be able to win. He had the best Pinoy big of his generation at his disposal but made him an after thought. DDO made stars of our guards but did not maximize our bigs.

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    What time is the tune up game? Any updates?

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    To IshmaelM

    Why is it fools gold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    How did Baba and Hiejima been known to the world? What international stint did the Japan Team had that made them more known than Philippines. Do you mean their were no scounting reports on Philippines?

    With Korea isn't it the same issues with Gilas 2014, height, heft and system.
    Baba has stint in NBA summer league and both played IN Australia also

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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    Then why did you say that "24 to 32 teams got eliminated earlier even before the end of their preliminary round."
    Sorry if Witten incorrectly, it should read, the teams relegated to th 24 to 32 (Bottom 8) were determined earlier if they didn't win their 1st few games and with a big margin. Became academic even before preliminary round was completed. Like we know HK was no longer in contention for Asia cup even before the 3rd window. (unofficially of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    How did Baba and Hiejima been known to the world? What international stint did the Japan Team had that made them more known than Philippines. Do you mean their were no scounting reports on Philippines?

    With Korea isn't it the same issues with Gilas 2014, height, heft and system.
    Hiejima prior to the World Cup has NBL stint and was invited into NBA Summer League. Baba prior to the World Cup has NBA G-League stint and NBL stint under his belt. That makes them known.

    To answer your question Gilas's scouting report, other teams have little to none idea what is DDO - Gilas main system back then. All the scouting reports in 2014 has the same things to say about Gilas - a team that loves to run.

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    "In terms of surprise, for me, it was really SJ. I say that because of his poise and sa akin, sa lahat. siya ang unang pumalag sa pisikalan. Every time the Asian point guards try to pressure our point guards, nauubos sila at nafa-foul out sila talaga. Gustong gusto natin pag pine-pressure tayo kasi mauubos talaga sila sa point guards natin. I thought RJ injected life off the bench. Siya ang bumutas ng depensa ng Korea and since then, feeling natin kaya nating pasukin yung depensa nila. Hands down, the biggest surprise for me was really SJ..."

    via Coach Chot Reyes

    Chot Reyes still love small players

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    Heijima played only 3 games and was released after 4 months in NBL and 2 Games in G league. Is that better than what Gabe or Japeth international stint to make Heijima more known? Would Gabe final 4 stint has more scounting reports than Hiejima?

    Baba signed and played in GLeague after the WC not before. Before that only B.League was is pro stint.

    So its the system employed that made the difference. Thats not element of surprise its having the best system that fits the team. DDO was not invented by us, nor the fast game was already known more with Phoenix Suns offense.

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    Heijima played only 3 games and was released after 4 months in NBL and 2 Games in G league. Is that better than what Gabe or Japeth international stint to make Heijima more known? Would Gabe final 4 stint has more scounting reports than Hiejima?

    Baba signed and played in GLeague after the WC not before. Before that only B.League was is pro stint.

    So its the system employed that made the difference. Thats not element of surprise its having the best system that fits the team. DDO was not invented by us, nor the fast game was already known more with Phoenix Suns offense.

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    This however the format for the OQT, just 2 games , which 1st game essentially being similar to knockout quarters game , essentially means are opponents have more time to prepare and scout for the OQT Games , as compared to the 2014 World cup preliminary 5 games involving more highly ranked teams. Of course the focus of our Co group teams would be on the more highly ranked teams and of course less focus on us cause there are simply more teams to prepare for

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    This however the format for the OQT, just 2 games , which 1st game essentially being similar to knockout quarters game , essentially means are opponents have more time to prepare and scout for the OQT Games , as compared to the 2014 World cup preliminary 5 games involving more highly ranked teams. Of course the focus of our Co group teams would be on the more highly ranked teams and of course less focus on us cause there are simply more teams to prepare for
    Similar issue with us. With the height, heft and more talented and international experience teams. Would that be more easier for them than us. As you said, its harder to focus on 4 teams with better talent which we needed to do.

    Didn't we have more problema to solve that the other teams.

    Korea is in the same scenario but non of their games were even close and lose two 30pt games.

    Whats the difference?

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    Of course it is similar to all the teams participating in the same tournament (it's a level playing field using the same format for all participating teams) . i am just pointing out when you have just 2 opponent like in FIBA windows, ( Korea and Indonesia) of course for any team there is a greater amount of time to prepare and scout as compared to tournament involving 5 opponents in the 1st round. that is just the reality of the situation. And of course the tendency of our opponents is to focus their preparation and scouting on the stronger higher rank teams , simply because they are viewed as bigger threats to the goal of advancing beyond the 1st round.

    This is nothing new, just like the NBA regular season has less scouting and preparation for multiple regular season games and less on bottom ranked teams , as compared to a 7 game series , the windows for example either are just 1 team or 2 .. obviously the dynamics are different. and there is lees time for practice and scouting for lower seeded teams in the regular season or a round robin like the preliminary 5 games

    to fully appreciate this , you have to actually see and experience it first hand, which i have.. i was with Gilas preperation for both 2013 FIBA asia and 2014 world cup, additionally i was with the Tall blacks team for the OQT 2016. the focus on opponents is much more less in the former .. Gilas was not preparing for Taipei or Saudi arabia in 2013 in the same way the Tall blacks just focused on Gilas..in 2016 very different..
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