2021 Olympic qualifying tournament

[zairex]

Nothing , your argument is flawed, the Philippines was simply better in 2014 than japan and Korea has ever been in a WC period, all credit to them , you can throw all these theories out of surprise or whatever., they placed higher and performed better than any Asian team in 2014 plain and simple. all credit to them

give credit where it is due
A line up of an NBA 6' 10 talent as versatile as Blatche and fit is damn good ( one of the best players in the 2014 WC)
add , Ranidel
a Norwood a final 4 NCAA talent rotation player
Alapag
and Castro

and talent is talent , that team was good. call it as it is. no excuses

can that be repeated using the exact same formula and approach for a different time , 2023 and beyond. simple answer is NO.. it does not work that way

Then why keep saying element of surprise was the reason ever since?

[reamily]

Then why keep saying element of surprise was the reason ever since?

Honeymoon period between Fiba and Philippines duringb2014 fiba. Imagine the market of 50 million filipino households warching fiba games..2019 isnt juat pure Yeng Guiao or 2016 is Tabs its just that...

[zairex]

huh your trolling.. many teams with NBA talent don't make the quarterfinals. there is no shame with not making the quarters

You're lieing, bottom 8 , 24 to 32 is a real classification group. it was determined 1st by win loss record, then quotient to break ties. FIBA has a criteria of determine placings , it's all in the rules and who is relegated to classfication round 24 to 32 ( all the Asian team) , which NZ was not it was in the 16 to 23 classfication group , this is determined by hard clear rules. you're making thing up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_FIBA_Basketball_World_Cup#Final_standings

there was no world cup in 2004. NZ is not a top 8 team in the world despite it's 4th place finish in 2002. no one is claiming that, except you . it is consistently a mid tier placed team , 40 to 60 %) that is accurate and no shame in that.

Whlle Asian teams are consistently a bottom 1/3 rd 33 % team in the world cup , these are based on clear FIBA rules for placings , don't make things up

Then why did you say that "24 to 32 teams got eliminated earlier even before the end of their preliminary round."

[zairex]

Honeymoon period between Fiba and Philippines duringb2014 fiba. Imagine the market of 50 million filipino households warching fiba games..2019 isnt juat pure Yeng Guiao or 2016 is Tabs its just that...

What that got to do with our performance and the element of suprise in WC 2014

[reamily]

The tough reality to cap it off was the 2018 brawl between us and Boomers, we just cant simply jump off with world class teams and expect to make it close..

[zairex]

Unlike Gilas, whom aside from Blatche, the whole team was virtually unknown to the world basketball community, Japan has more known personalities when they played in the world cup. Guys like Hachimura, Watanabe, Baba, Hiejima, Fazekas and even their coach Lamas are known internationally because of their previous stints overseas. Korea, on the other hand, since I already watched them playing since their OQT stint in 2012, even if they are virtually unknown, their playing style is greatly countered by western country due better system and, obviously, height and heft.

How did Baba and Hiejima been known to the world? What international stint did the Japan Team had that made them more known than Philippines. Do you mean their were no scounting reports on Philippines?

With Korea isn't it the same issues with Gilas 2014, height, heft and system.

[zairex]

Unlike Gilas, whom aside from Blatche, the whole team was virtually unknown to the world basketball community, Japan has more known personalities when they played in the world cup. Guys like Hachimura, Watanabe, Baba, Hiejima, Fazekas and even their coach Lamas are known internationally because of their previous stints overseas. Korea, on the other hand, since I already watched them playing since their OQT stint in 2012, even if they are virtually unknown, their playing style is greatly countered by western country due better system and, obviously, height and heft.

How did Baba and Hiejima been known to the world? What international stint did the Japan Team had that made them more known than Philippines. Do you mean their were no scounting reports on Philippines?

With Korea isn't it the same issues with Gilas 2014, height, heft and system.

[ARMIR]

Yes but he also plays SF when we have any combination of Kouame, Kai, Go or Chiu on the floor. Same with Carl. In the OQT we will probably see this more. So against bigger teams Balti will probably be an SF. Even as a 4, if he still drives, shoots from the outside and guards the perimeter, that is an SF skillset.

This is why I wish,we have Jap he's another 4 with experience,Balti who Tab will use as another 3 with Carl,can sub Jap at 4,whenever needed.We can drop the 2 small guards,have Jordan H and Dwight as the combo guard manning the PG duties..

[IshmaelM]

Again for me the competitive showing in WC 2014 was first because of Blatche. He was arguably the best player in that tourney. He did everything from driving, passing, shooting from outside and in the paint, defending and rebounding. The gravity he generated probably opened up the other guys. Our outside shooters, Alapag, Castro, Chan, RDO were good too. The element of surprise was Chots bara bara ball/headless chicken offense. I guess that constant attack offset the defensive liabilities in our team.

But credit also to the players. Alapag was unconscious from deep 3. Thats modern NBA deep 3 points guard shooting ala Curry, Lillard, Young. Even in the NBA physically unimposing guards become deadly weapons if they have that skill.

But for me it was fools gold. Alapag was unique. But he was at the tail end of his career. Without him bara bara ball would not be as effective. Chot built a team that at its best would keep the score close but would not be able to win. He had the best Pinoy big of his generation at his disposal but made him an after thought. DDO made stars of our guards but did not maximize our bigs.

[zairex]

To IshmaelM

Why is it fools gold?

[sajubeads]

How did Baba and Hiejima been known to the world? What international stint did the Japan Team had that made them more known than Philippines. Do you mean their were no scounting reports on Philippines?

With Korea isn't it the same issues with Gilas 2014, height, heft and system.

Baba has stint in NBA summer league and both played IN Australia also

[DAdmiral]

Then why did you say that "24 to 32 teams got eliminated earlier even before the end of their preliminary round."

Sorry if Witten incorrectly, it should read, the teams relegated to th 24 to 32 (Bottom 8) were determined earlier if they didn't win their 1st few games and with a big margin. Became academic even before preliminary round was completed. Like we know HK was no longer in contention for Asia cup even before the 3rd window. (unofficially of course

[ja.he]

How did Baba and Hiejima been known to the world? What international stint did the Japan Team had that made them more known than Philippines. Do you mean their were no scounting reports on Philippines?

With Korea isn't it the same issues with Gilas 2014, height, heft and system.

Hiejima prior to the World Cup has NBL stint and was invited into NBA Summer League. Baba prior to the World Cup has NBA G-League stint and NBL stint under his belt. That makes them known.

To answer your question Gilas's scouting report, other teams have little to none idea what is DDO - Gilas main system back then. All the scouting reports in 2014 has the same things to say about Gilas - a team that loves to run.

[zairex]

Heijima played only 3 games and was released after 4 months in NBL and 2 Games in G league. Is that better than what Gabe or Japeth international stint to make Heijima more known? Would Gabe final 4 stint has more scounting reports than Hiejima?

Baba signed and played in GLeague after the WC not before. Before that only B.League was is pro stint.

So its the system employed that made the difference. Thats not element of surprise its having the best system that fits the team. DDO was not invented by us, nor the fast game was already known more with Phoenix Suns offense.

[zairex]

Heijima played only 3 games and was released after 4 months in NBL and 2 Games in G league. Is that better than what Gabe or Japeth international stint to make Heijima more known? Would Gabe final 4 stint has more scounting reports than Hiejima?

Baba signed and played in GLeague after the WC not before. Before that only B.League was is pro stint.

So its the system employed that made the difference. Thats not element of surprise its having the best system that fits the team. DDO was not invented by us, nor the fast game was already known more with Phoenix Suns offense.