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    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...15317338498946

    While funny, it actually is true.. as I said before LeBron may have more lineage to an African nation than Clarkson has to the Philippines,
    It shows u lineage cannot be the basis

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    From Twitter

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    Ariel Hukporti, a 7-foot centre out of Germany, has signed with Melbourne United as part of the NBL’s Next Stars program, multiple sources told ESPN.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    Yes their citizenship laws (which I shared previously) are so much easier to acquire citizenship, so any prospect of decent level below 16 , they basically can wholesale give them passports .(even grand parent roots is sufficient), naturalization of minors is doable as well. (It's not for us)
    Read below how easy it is to register as a Nigerian citizen
    Basically the president can grant citizenship to anyone .. so the Nigerian federation can simply give the president a list of 15 yrs old, then done.
    By registration: 26. (1) Subject to the provisions of section 28 of this Constitution, a person to whom
    the provisions of this section apply may be registered as a citizen of Nigeria, if the President is satisfied that -

    (a) He is a person of good character; two people to testify to that which one should a Religious minister...
    (b) He has shown a clear intention of his desire to be domiciled in Nigeria; and
    (c) He has taken the Oath of Allegiance prescribed in the Seventh Schedule to this Constitution.


    Essentially if Sage Tolentino wanted to be Nigerian before 16, and the President liked him, he could be granted Nigerian citizenship.
    With us even if Sage was fine with us working to get his passport via hokus pokus, we could not.

    Bottom line Nigeria can do hokus pokus instant u have a passport we cannot
    closest thing we have to that would be Congress passing a bill naturalizing someone, but that will take months/years, been done to minors like Akiko Thompson (90s swimmer, japanse mom, american father raised in the country) and Farrell Eldrian Wu (born and raised in the country from Chinese migrant parents)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoJ View Post
    closest thing we have to hocus pokus would be Congress passing a bill naturalizing someone, but that will take months/years, been done to minors like Akiko Thompson (90s swimmer, japanse mom, american father raised in the country) and Farrell Eldrian Wu (born and raised in the country from Chinese migrant parents)
    Call it whatever you like, but please have some respect with our process. It is very offensive to call a completely legal act of Congress as Hokus Pokus, when the process is not so easy to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaVi View Post
    Call it whatever you like, but please have some respect with our process. It is very offensive to call a completely legal act of Congress as Hokus Pokus, when the process is not so easy to get.
    duly noted sorry for the use of the wrong term
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
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    Ariel Hukporti, a 7-foot centre out of Germany, has signed with Melbourne United as part of the NBL’s Next Stars program, multiple sources told ESPN.

    That's a very welcome news to me. Hopefully, he's not the last one. I think his body is ready for the physicality of the NBL. Holmgren dn Sana
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    These guys are next star programme sign-ups., it's not an insignificant fact, it does actually matter.

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    adelaide signs south sudanese player Manny Malou

    https://www.adelaide36ers.com/news/a...TEOKY6QJmdJIw0

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    These guys are next star programme sign-ups., it's not an insignificant fact, it does actually matter.
    Bring it on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    These guys are next star programme sign-ups., it's not an insignificant fact, it does actually matter.
    ur point in relation to kai is?

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    anyone here listens to chad ford's nba big board podcast? he had david thorpe, a respected coach and analyst, as a guest yesterday. anyway, he said some interesting things about the IGNITE program. he said that he has been diving in on international high level games, college basketball games, and the gleague showcase in which he has clients. he said that the tactics being run at IGNITE was garbage especially when compared to the international leagues. yep, exact word used was "garbage". the gleague team's system was "give it to green then get out of the way.... your turn, your turn, your turn..." he felt that player development within the IGNITE system did NOT turn out well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubidub View Post
    anyone here listens to chad ford's nba big board podcast? he had david thorpe, a respected coach and analyst, as a guest yesterday. anyway, he said some interesting things about the IGNITE program. he said that he has been diving in on international high level games, college basketball games, and the gleague showcase in which he has clients. he said that the tactics being run at IGNITE was garbage especially when compared to the international leagues. yep, exact word used was "garbage". the gleague team's system was "give it to green then get out of the way.... your turn, your turn, your turn..." he felt that player development within the IGNITE system did NOT turn out well.
    That was said countless times here and that was really the reality. Somehow the era of perimeter oriented offense and heavily relying on 3s has been waning down. The top 5 players in the NBA now were mostly bigs. Giannis, jokic, and Embiid showcased how big skilled players could easily dominate small players. Even US team's small ball has been an eyesore. It is giving everyone an even playing field to compete and bigger teams were attacking their frontline. Bam has been useless and being exploited hence the late inclusion of Mcgee. The GSW era of raining 3s and abandoning post plays is almost over. Resurgence of bigs would follow and it would be better for Kai. The lineup of KD, Steph and Klay was too dominant before but it wont happen again. Bully ball would once again flourish and tall skilled bigs would be as important as anybody again. Giannis showed that even without a perimeter shot he could win a championship.lol Ben Simmons would have a resurgence if he would just attack the basket specially against small ball playing teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo View Post
    ur point in relation to kai is?
    All NBL franchises would want to avail of a next star programme sign-up ( that has specific requirement to be a "next NBA season draft prospect) , Kai actually tried to fall under this classification but did not meet the requirement .

    The reason every team wants to avail of a next star programme , is the programme salary of the player is funded by the league front office , not the individual teams ( note many teams are struggling financially including the 36sers) , plus the contract amount whiich isn't small, is not counted against a team's salary cap. a development player contract like Kai is .

    The assessment if a player is next year draft prospect is done by the league office (many of which are ex NBA personnel) certainly not by me or anyone in the public.. that is not to say that a development player cannot eventually be a NBA draft prospect ,it simply means that for the next 2022 NBA draft the front office of the NBL which is made up people connected to the NBA do not consider the player "yet" to be a 2022 draftee.

    This is standard stuff. not unique to kai or nothing to single out Kai, the Breakers signed NZ NBL top center Sam Timmins under a development contract , but also signed French Dieng to their Next Star program sign-up. Dieng is indeed a next season NBA prospect (he's listed in many mock drafts) , Sam Timmins is NOT. it is what it is, nothing to single out anyone. especially not Kai.

    Ariel is a next star sign-up, while Manny Malou is NOT. nothing really unique..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    All NBL franchises would want to avail of a next star programme sign-up ( that has specific requirement to be a "next NBA season draft prospect) , Kai actually tried to fall under this classification but did not meet the requirement .

    The reason every team wants to avail of a next star programme , is the programme salary of the player is funded by the league front office , not the individual teams ( note many teams are struggling financially including the 36sers) , plus the contract amount whiich isn't small, is not counted against a team's salary cap. a development player contract like Kai is .

    The assessment if a player is next year draft prospect is done by the league office (many of which are ex NBA personnel) certainly not by me or anyone in the public.. that is not to say that a development player cannot eventually be a NBA draft prospect ,it simply means that for the next 2022 NBA draft the front office of the NBL which is made up people connected to the NBA do not consider the player "yet" to be a 2022 draftee.

    This is standard stuff. not unique to kai or nothing to single out Kai, the Breakers signed NZ NBL top center Sam Timmins under a development contract , but also signed French Dieng to their Next Star program sign-up. Dieng is indeed a next season NBA prospect (he's listed in many mock drafts) , Sam Timmins is NOT. it is what it is, nothing to single out anyone. especially not Kai.

    Wait so is it correct that Japan B league offers more than Australia NBL as I see some nbl players play in Japan during nbl season and just return back and some guys like Julian Kazzouh back then go to lebanon..

    As for the bolded part, does this mean nbl gets a financial return to this like what happened to Lamelo ball and now Josh Giddey?
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    This article was written in Jan 4, 2020, at the time Sotto an ignite g- league sign up was indeed an intriguing prospect. whatever happened since then has put Kai in the status as not eligible for a next star programme sign -up , but as a regular Asian development import sign-up. the NBL league front office made that assessment , no one else.


    https://pickandroll.com.au/p/he-shou...stars-for-2021

    7. Kai Sotto
    Kai Sotto is another potential 2021 prospect looking at professional options. A four star prospect out of the Phillipines, Sotto could qualify as either a Next Star or local, whether in a development or full roster role, through the Asian player rule exception. Given his current ranking of 76th on the 'ESPN 100' High School rankings, the latter may be a more likely path to the NBL, and it could mean seeing him in the league for multiple seasons.

    Sotto is currently fielding offers from both pro teams and college, including European powerhouses Barcelona and Real Madrid, and is said currently to be preferencing the European route. These will be hard offers for the the NBL to compete with, but a potential selling point could be that Sotto may struggle to acquire minutes at such a high level and may find a better opportunity for minutes and development on an NBL roster.

    While his current ranking reflects his raw nature, at 7'2 and of a high skill level, Sotto has plenty of NBA level potential long term. Sotto has impressive mobility for his size, and has shown a knack for passing, a soft touch, and some long term shooting potential. Satto would also provide plenty of eyes on the NBL, as he is arguably the best Phillipino-born NBA prospect in history. The country is basketball-crazed, and with the hopes of a nation on his back, the many clicks that Sotto's online footprint carries with him (some videos of his play have hit millions of YouTube views) would surely carry over to the NBL.

    It's likely that Sotto entertains the idea of declaring straight out of high school, or indeed looks to Europe, but his situation seems to lend itself to the predraft development the NBL can afford to offer, and it would make sense for the NBL to make a push for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    Wait so is it correct that Japan B league offers more than Australia NBL as I see some nbl players play in Japan during nbl season and just return back and some guys like Julian Kazzouh back then go to lebanon..

    As for the bolded part, does this mean nbl gets a financial return to this like what happened to Lamelo ball and now Josh Giddey?
    I'm not privy to what they offer in Japan, (i am of ANBL) , but here is an indication Fotu was being courted by the Breakers , but they failed to convinece him , he went back to Europe and then recently signed with Japan. (obviously if money was the same , Fotu would stay home with family in New zealand) ..

    Absolutely the attraction of Lamelo Ball ( a next star program sign-up) provides significant benefit to the Australian NBL league front office, all the media attention ., So it's really good investment for the league to get these future stars and pay for it ( salaries over $ 500k annually ) , a testament of this is. the ANBL recently signed a huge broadcasting deal with ESPN. the revenue goes to each team cost to run a team. Much of the reason for the deal was because of sign ups like Lamelo Ball , RJ Hampton etc etc. the next star programme for next year , again has signed some big names.. And the league ( not the teams) are more than happy to spend and pay their salaries (it's really good return on investment )
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    So team salary cap in NBL is $ 1.5 M
    top players (local starters) and imports get around $ 200K
    Bench player - $ 100k
    Development players $ 30 K



    https://nbl.com.au/news/article/expl...ary-cap-system

    now the next star program players get - $ 500k ( but this is not included or counted in the team salary cap of $ 1.5) and also it is funded by the league not the team. ( so you see every team would like to avail of this and get a next star program player) to qualify as a next player program player , one has to be assessed by the NBL office as a next year draft prospect (normally 1st round projection)

    https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2020/...act-next-star/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubidub View Post
    anyone here listens to chad ford's nba big board podcast? he had david thorpe, a respected coach and analyst, as a guest yesterday. anyway, he said some interesting things about the IGNITE program. he said that he has been diving in on international high level games, college basketball games, and the gleague showcase in which he has clients. he said that the tactics being run at IGNITE was garbage especially when compared to the international leagues. yep, exact word used was "garbage". the gleague team's system was "give it to green then get out of the way.... your turn, your turn, your turn..." he felt that player development within the IGNITE system did NOT turn out well.
    It's nice to be vindicated. Me and a few people here were saying what David Thorpe also said in that podcast.

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    this is OT, but a very interesting aspect of the NBL salary cap

    A marquee player must be an Australian or New Zealander and a club can have a maximum of four of these players. That being said, teams are only allowed a total of four marquee and restricted (import) players combined. Interesting clause, the rules incentivse signing a good local player instead of an import Of course, to this point teams have not tended to go for a third or fourth Marquee guy as that would mean they’d have either one or zero imports.

    Two? Well yeah, that happens.

    so the NBL salary cap system actually makes teams not rely on imports. and financially it can pay the best local stars more than imports

    The Breakers this season signed a bano / developing player as an import. (someone who might not even get minutes) , why? to save the money and cap space on signinng the best locals so they don't play overseas

    magine that , the PBA can learn something from that, instead of paying a super import , give the money to a super local star like Kiefer or Parks .. it's actually smart

    how insane is that , the PBA is willing to pay imports whatever, but is not willing to pay it's local stars what they can get in Japan , Kalokohan

    Can Parks say , can you please pay me like an import per month LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper222 View Post
    It's nice to be vindicated. Me and a few people here were saying what David Thorpe also said in that podcast.
    Yessir. That's the first thing that came to my mind when i heard that. Hehe

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