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  • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
    Bottom line in actual practice players who meet eligibility requirements (without any other action required like submitting an "entry" application form or letter) can be selected by NBA teams for the draft

    So call it whatever you want, bottom line is his eligibility year is his draft year.

    those who have yet to meet all the requirements are the exception for them they have to "express desire to be selected in the Draft in a writing received by the NBA at least sixty (60) days prior to such Draft (an “EarlyEntry” player);"
    So your saying Kai doesn't need to apply for the draft or doesn't need to send an application to the draft. To be selected in next years draft.

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    • Originally posted by zairex View Post
      So your saying Kai doesn't need to apply for the draft or doesn't need to send an application to the draft. To be selected in next years draft.
      Yes , as long as he meets all the requirements. this process and practice is actually well documented, many international players in the past did not know they were even entered and available to be selected in a particular draft. and were surprise a team drafted and selected them.

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      • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
        Yes , as long as he meets all the requirements. this process and practice is actually well documented, many international players in the past did not know they were even entered and available to be selected in a particular draft. and were surprise a team drafted and selected them.
        basic example of this here in the Philippines was when AMA drafted Daniel Padilla without the latter entered his name in the draft. that's how I see this automatic eligibility. hahaha
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        • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
          basic example of this here in the Philippines was when AMA drafted Daniel Padilla without the latter entered his name in the draft. that's how I see this automatic eligibility. hahaha
          a well know story of this is Manu Ginobili, he did not apply or do anything in his draft year, then he tells the story that a friend told him to his surprise that the Spurs picked him!

          just to add the onus is on the team that is risking selecting the player that the player has met all the requirements to be eligible to be selected. In this day and age all the serious prospects records are basically public knowledge. e.g . people know their age, their pro club, the school they entered etc etc.
          Last edited by DAdmiral; 12-09-2021, 01:07 AM.

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          • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
            a well know story of this is Manu Ginobili, he did not apply or do anything in his draft year, then he tells the story that a friend told him to his surprise that the Spurs picked him!
            Just to clarify we should be using CBA 2017 nothing more and nothing less or NBA ruling that applies to Kai. Early Entry was instituted beacuse a college or underclass players can still returned to their colleges if they withdraw from the draft and didn't hire an agent. Before once you declare you are not able to returned.

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            • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
              Yes , as long as he meets all the requirements. this process and practice is actually well documented, many international players in the past did not know they were even entered and available to be selected in a particular draft. and were surprise a team drafted and selected them.
              So any player like that for NBA 2018 and later. Can you name them

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              • Originally posted by zairex View Post
                Just to clarify we should be using CBA 2017 nothing more and nothing less or NBA ruling that applies to Kai. Early Entry was instituted beacuse a college or underclass players can still returned to their colleges if they withdraw from the draft and didn't hire an agent. Before once you declare you are not able to returned.
                yes there could be revisions tweaks in the 2017 CBA, I just sighted Manu's case just to illustrate an example of a player unknowingly and had not submitted an application that was selected ( he was 22 yrs old in draft class and was playing in Italy)

                in the case of US college undercalassen who declared early entry and later withdrew (Neymard) , perhaps the withdrawal letter has to be made 2 months prior to draft date..

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                • Originally posted by zairex View Post
                  So any player like that for NBA 2018 and later. Can you name them
                  as far as not being aware they are available to be selected, I do not know anyone, but as far as automatically being available to be selected without submitting an application (early entry letter) everyone who falls under these 2 descriptions


                  1. The player has graduated from a four-year college or university in the United States the previous academic year. ) 1(b)(ii) CBA

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                  2. An international player (not US based student) that turns 22 yrs old in the draft year. (G.1 in CBA)

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                  • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                    yes there could be revisions tweaks in the 2017 CBA, I just sighted Manu's case just to illustrate an example of a player unknowingly and had not submitted an application that was selected ( he was 22 yrs old in draft class and was playing in Italy)

                    in the case of US college undercalassen who declared early entry and later withdrew (Neymard) , perhaps the withdrawal letter has to be made 2 months prior to draft date..
                    Link on Ginobili unknowingly of his draft selection entered. Or no one entered on his behalf in NBA draft.

                    The rule of early entry states

                    (F)The player has expressed his desire to be selected in the Draft in a writing received by the NBA at least sixty (60) days prior to such Draft (an “Early Entry” player

                    So your saying the day that they apply is also the day that they should withdraw in the draft? That just not logical.

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                    • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                      yes there could be revisions tweaks in the 2017 CBA, I just sighted Manu's case just to illustrate an example of a player unknowingly and had not submitted an application that was selected ( he was 22 yrs old in draft class and was playing in Italy)

                      in the case of US college undercalassen who declared early entry and later withdrew (Neymard) , perhaps the withdrawal letter has to be made 2 months prior to draft date..

                      Originally posted by zairex View Post
                      Link on Ginobili unknowingly of his draft selection entered. Or no one entered on his behalf in NBA draft.

                      The rule of early entry states

                      (F)The player has expressed his desire to be selected in the Draft in a writing received by the NBA at least sixty (60) days prior to such Draft (an “Early Entry” player

                      So your saying the day that they apply is also the day that they should withdraw in the draft? That just not logical.
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                      • Originally posted by zairex View Post
                        Link on Ginobili unknowingly of his draft selection entered. Or no one entered on his behalf in NBA draft.

                        The rule of early entry states

                        (F)The player has expressed his desire to be selected in the Draft in a writing received by the NBA at least sixty (60) days prior to such Draft (an “Early Entry” player

                        So your saying the day that they apply is also the day that they should withdraw in the draft? That just not logical.
                        you will have to forgive me if i do not make the effort to find a link ( it's just something i've heard him say in interviews (documentaries)

                        yes maybe i am wrong with the the day of withdrawal.. i do not know all the specifics..

                        anyway this is what generally most know

                        since at least 2017 for the draft , there is a list of early entrants both US and International prospects and there is a separate list of those who will reach automatic eligibility (finish US college or reach 22 yrs Old for international who do not need to apply. . This is basic standard knowledge ever since

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                        • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                          you will have to forgive me if i do not make the effort to find a link ( it's just something i've heard him say in interviews (documentaries)

                          yes maybe i am wrong with the the day of withdrawal.. i do not know all the specifics..

                          anyway this is what generally most know

                          since at least 2017 for the draft , there is a list of early entrants both US and International prospects and there is a separate list of those who will reach automatic eligibility (finish US college or reach 22 yrs Old for international who do not need to apply. . This is basic standard knowledge ever since
                          Its proper to cite link for you and all to see if your read or heard it correctly. Maybe unknowingly for Spurs fans why Ginobili was drafted or Ginobili that he was not aware that he was drafted but his agent applied him. Your memory like the withdrawal process for Early Entry is not reliable. And its not maybe but you are wrong on the Early entry withdrawal.

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                          • Originally posted by zairex View Post
                            Its proper to cite link for you and all to see if your read or heard it correctly. Maybe unknowingly for Spurs fans why Ginobili was drafted or Ginobili that he was not aware that he was drafted but his agent applied him. Your memory like the withdrawal process for Early Entry is not reliable. And its not maybe but you are wrong on the Early entry withdrawal.
                            C'mon is quite obvious from you post , arguments and statements, that you do NOT understand the basic concepts of how the NBA draft works, It's totally way off... you should not be engaging in discussions without having the basic understanding of how things work.. "it's like you are unaware and clueless on basic things.

                            This is the basic premise - there is NO requirement for those who are eligible to be selected to apply for the draft (NONE) , it's quite obvious that this thought is so foreign strange for you , showing your lack of basic understanding...

                            if it is explicitly mentioned in the CBA as a requirement to submit a letter for those who want to "enter Early" , why then will they not mention it as a requirement step as well for those who have met "eligibility", if it is also a requirement?

                            Submitting an entry form application is explicitly mentioned as a requirement for the PBA draft and is not mentioned at all for the NBA , (except early entry) .. there is a reason for this. please have better understanding
                            Last edited by DAdmiral; 12-09-2021, 02:18 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

                              since at least 2017 for the draft , there is a list of early entrants both US and International prospects and there is a separate list of those who will reach automatic eligibility (finish US college or reach 22 yrs Old for international who do not need to apply. . This is basic standard knowledge ever since
                              Once again that's eligibility not entered.

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                              • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                                C'mon is quite obvious from you post , arguments and statements, that you do NOT understand the basic concepts of how the NBA draft works, It's totally way off... you should not be engaging in discussions without having the basic understanding of how things work.. "it's like you are unaware and clueless on basic things.

                                This is the basic premise is there is NO requirement for those who are eligible to be selected to apply for the draft (NONE) , it's quite obvious that this thought is so strange for you, showing your lack of basic understanding...
                                That's critical thinking, keep asking questions and not assume anything. I want you to say and prove your theory on "automatically entered". If you have critical thinking then you can answer it simply. You keep scrambling the words eligible and entry But you keep giving your assumption rather than the actual rule on it. Search google for and the first few pages and no mention of the word.

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                                Last edited by zairex; 12-09-2021, 02:24 AM.

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