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    Fenerbahce fans 2 month ago: "ZOC is gone! We will never win a game again. Its over"

    Fenerbahce fans after 2 wins: "Euroleague win is safe"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Fenerbahce fans 2 month ago: "ZOC is gone! We will never win a game again. Its over"

    Fenerbahce fans after 2 wins: "Euroleague win is safe"
    Exclude me pls. I claim that we are way better than the last year from the begining.


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    I really cant even understand some comments here.
    We build a better roster than last year.

    Brown - nando - ulanovas - xxx - vesely
    Leo - nunnally - pierre - barthel - hamilton

    Minimum 8 players will contribute well; and we can expect leo, melih, pierre to perform well sometimes.
    We have to keep nunnally and sign a starting pf.
    We will be a contender definetely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Fenerbahce fans 2 month ago: "ZOC is gone! We will never win a game again. Its over"

    Fenerbahce fans after 2 wins: "Euroleague win is safe"
    2 months ago

    https://www.interbasket.net/forums/s...t=#post1363028

    So do you think Fener makes the top 8 ?
    Efes finished in the last place in the Euroleague 2018 season with winning only 7 games,

    https://www.euroleague.net/main/stan...asoncode=E2017

    Then they played Final Four in the next season.

    Every outcome is possible.
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    De Colo is worth of every cent we are paying to him. We should keep him one more season. The best EL player(in Larkin's absence)

    Brown-De Colo-Vesely plus Barthel are very serious players.

    But it's not all such great in Fener. It's big gap between our main players and rest of the team. We lack quality but for now they play their roles and contribute to good team chemistry.

    In tonight game Ataman lost keys of the game with strange decisions. Forcing Moerman over Singleton is madness. Efes boost last season has started with Moerman injury and Singleton coming.
    With Larkin Efes will be much better.

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    Pistol actions Valencia is running with Dubljevic's hand offs and fake screens for Pick and Pop are better than 95% in the NBA. Very underrated coach is brother Jaume. For me legitimate candidate for Spanish bench in next Olympic cyclus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Pistol actions Valencia is running with Dubljevic's hand offs and fake screens for Pick and Pop are better than 95% in the NBA. Very underrated coach is brother Jaume. For me legitimate candidate for Spanish bench in next Olympic cyclus.
    I am just looking one detail. Kalinic and Williams had just 2 attempts for 3pt. In Fener last season they combined around 10 attemts per game. That tells a lot about Valencia coach imo.
    He uses players in accordance with their capabilities, then even Williams could be usefull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Fenerbahce fans 2 month ago: "ZOC is gone! We will never win a game again. Its over"

    Fenerbahce fans after 2 wins: "Euroleague win is safe"
    Ha, I know you're joking but let's see who said what on August 6th

    https://www.interbasket.net/forums/s...-Rumours-vol-I

    By you:
    After the signings final four for Fenerbahce is not a target which makes the domestic league more important and with Sipahi, Mahmutoglu, Biberovic, Candan and Düverioglu I strongly doubt you have an advantage against 4-5 teams.
    By me:
    Fener's target is making the playoffs and then anything is possible in Euroleague, as we have seen time and again.
    By you:
    I think you are the one who is way too optimistic but there is no need to talk about it right now. Time will tell.
    I also put Fener at 8th position at the end of the season here:
    https://www.interbasket.net/forums/s...nking-and-more!
    Dilimde şarkıların gündüz gece
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivo View Post
    Ha, I know you're joking but let's see who said what on August 6th

    https://www.interbasket.net/forums/s...-Rumours-vol-I

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    By me:


    By you:


    I also put Fener at 8th position at the end of the season here:
    https://www.interbasket.net/forums/s...nking-and-more!
    I don't think he pointed to you or me. Target were euphoric football fans who still think that Nunnally will make difference for Fener.

    I agree that target is playoff, then we can try as underdogs to make something. Kokoskov showed with Slovenia that he knows how to handle such situations.

    BTW I have nothing against Nunnalli as a player, problem is role of some mediocre plauyer in the team. We have now even worse players then him in the roster but except Ulanovas they play their roles correctly until now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Valenia plays a perfect game. I put them on prediction to win this game, except Tavares they have no meat for this fighting squad of Valencia. Valencia is pure basketball this year. Play most beautiful team basketball in Europe so far.
    This is very premature. Valencia is 2/2 in Acb and has played pretty bad against Asvel in round 1. They had good game yesterday, but it was a lot about Real and Laso. Laso is playing those games like preparation games. Look at time distribution,

    Tavares is 40 in minutes played in Euroleague. Campazzo 46th, Llull 68th, Deck 78th, Rudy 102nd. 5th player averaging only 19 minutes? And 5 Real's players with most minutes averaging only 22?

    Here's what Kokoskov said about playing Euroleague games, "In these kinds of games, you have a short rotation, but that's what it is. It's the EuroLeague and at this top level of world basketball you have to find an edge when the game is on the line, and we found that energy tonight." His top 5 players averaged more than 30 minutes yesterday. On the other hand, Laso, except Campazzo and Tavares, don't even know who should he play. Which is very strange, because he has basically the same team like previous season.

    This experiment with Alocen should stop, 22 min, 2 points and 1 assist. ORAT 40, DRAT 98.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    This is very premature. Valencia is 2/2 in Acb and has played pretty bad against Asvel in round 1. They had good game yesterday, but it was a lot about Real and Laso. Laso is playing those games like preparation games. Look at time distribution,

    Tavares is 40 in minutes played in Euroleague. Campazzo 46th, Llull 68th, Deck 78th, Rudy 102nd. 5th player averaging only 19 minutes? And 5 Real's players with most minutes averaging only 22?

    Here's what Kokoskov said about playing Euroleague games, "In these kinds of games, you have a short rotation, but that's what it is. It's the EuroLeague and at this top level of world basketball you have to find an edge when the game is on the line, and we found that energy tonight." His top 5 players averaged more than 30 minutes yesterday. On the other hand, Laso, except Campazzo and Tavares, don't even know who should he play. Which is very strange, because he has basically the same team like previous season.

    This experiment with Alocen should stop, 22 min, 2 points and 1 assist. ORAT 40, DRAT 98.
    It's maybe because huge gap between 4 main Fener players and rest of the roster. Yesterday Pierre and Ulanovas got big minutes because Barthel was injured but I suppose they will share less minutes in future games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    I don't think he pointed to you or me. Target were euphoric football fans who still think that Nunnally will make difference for Fener.

    I agree that target is playoff, then we can try as underdogs to make something. Kokoskov showed with Slovenia that he knows how to handle such situations.

    BTW I have nothing against Nunnalli as a player, problem is role of some mediocre plauyer in the team. We have now even worse players then him in the roster but except Ulanovas they play their roles correctly until now.
    Hahaha You are the guy who complains about Ulanovas in here more than anyone. You still have audacity to run your mouth after the things you said about Ulanovas and everyone sees how he plays now, you should stop talking about basketball as everyone sees that you don't understand anything about it. You are not fooling anyone. Just like you are not fooling anyone from Turkey when you claimed that you started as Fenerbahçe basketball fan only but not football fan.

    You even tried to say that the rest of the roster is not worthy of Euroleague except for De Colo, by saying that ''this Fener roster looks like GS rosters from previous seasons plus De Colo.'', ''we can only fight for top 8''

    And this

    ''Efes brought 5 experienced EL players. Baubois and Anderson had decent NBA careers too.''

    Yeah sure, we've seen ''experienced EL players'' yesterday
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    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    It's maybe because huge gap between 4 main Fener players and rest of the roster. Yesterday Pierre and Ulanovas got big minutes because Barthel was injured but I suppose they will share less minutes in future games.
    Ulanovas is in the current starting 5 for Kokoskov? i.e. Brown - De Colo - Ulanovas - Barthel - Vesely. Also I disagree there is a huge gap (whatever that means) between any players, maybe except for De Colo. Certainly not between Ulanovas and Barthel as you imply.

    Also Pierre was great yesterday. His offense is of course limited (for now) but he can make open spot-up shots (his Italy stats) and has some moves when left 1v1. But more importantly he creates so much additional value in defense and rebounding.
    Dilimde şarkıların gündüz gece
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivo View Post
    Ha, I know you're joking but let's see who said what on August 6th

    https://www.interbasket.net/forums/s...-Rumours-vol-I

    By you:


    By me:


    By you:


    I also put Fener at 8th position at the end of the season here:
    https://www.interbasket.net/forums/s...nking-and-more!
    Toruko is Toruko as usual.

    And janketa is janketa too

    They really have no shame after showing everyone again and again that they have no idea about basketball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Fenerbahce fans 2 month ago: "ZOC is gone! We will never win a game again. Its over"

    Fenerbahce fans after 2 wins: "Euroleague win is safe"

    Nobody spoke this way before, and at this time nobody talks that way. Too much exaggeration

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivo View Post
    Ulanovas is in the current starting 5 for Kokoskov? i.e. Brown - De Colo - Ulanovas - Barthel - Vesely. Also I disagree there is a huge gap (whatever that means) between any players, maybe except for De Colo. Certainly not between Ulanovas and Barthel as you imply.

    Also Pierre was great yesterday. His offense is of course limited (for now) but he can make open spot-up shots (his Italy stats) and has some moves when left 1v1. But more importantly he creates so much additional value in defense and rebounding.
    It will be interesting to see how the reaction of Fenerbahce gonna be if there is a team which attacks de Colo and Brown from the start. Yesterday both teams played very bad but Fenerbahce fought harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivo View Post
    Ulanovas is in the current starting 5 for Kokoskov? i.e. Brown - De Colo - Ulanovas - Barthel - Vesely. Also I disagree there is a huge gap (whatever that means) between any players, maybe except for De Colo. Certainly not between Ulanovas and Barthel as you imply.

    Also Pierre was great yesterday. His offense is of course limited (for now) but he can make open spot-up shots (his Italy stats) and has some moves when left 1v1. But more importantly he creates so much additional value in defense and rebounding.
    Don't bother, it's not hard to understand that janketa (a.k.a the guy who claims that he is the only one who started to follow Fenerbahçe as Fenerbahçe basketball fan only in the history ) has no idea about basketball, even if you ask killer bob, you will get better answers about Fenerbahçe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paganist View Post
    Nobody spoke this way before, and at this time nobody talks that way. Too much exaggeration
    Except for janketa, who said this roster looks like GS roster except for De Colo And he thinks we shouldn't buy Ulanovas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Hahaha You are the guy who complains about Ulanovas in here more than anyone. You still have audacity to run your mouth after the things you said about Ulanovas and everyone sees how he plays now, you should stop talking about basketball as everyone sees that you don't understand anything about it. You are not fooling anyone. Just like you are not fooling anyone from Turkey when you claimed that you started as Fenerbahçe basketball fan only but not football fan.

    You even tried to say that the rest of the roster is not worthy of Euroleague except for De Colo, by saying that ''this Fener roster looks like GS rosters from previous seasons plus De Colo.'', ''we can only fight for top 8''

    And this

    ''Efes brought 5 experienced EL players. Baubois and Anderson had decent NBA careers too.''

    Yeah sure, we've seen ''experienced EL players'' yesterday
    When I said football fan I didn't mean on you but when you already recognized yourself let say that I have to answer in polite way on this bunch of nonsenses.

    You are sick man who is obsessed with complex of proving something you don't have a clue. You are obsessed with me too, but sorry I can't give you my number

    Basketball isn't theme for people like you, because you don't have a clue about it, girls like you should play with dolls and when you grow up maybe we can talk about serious issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Since most of the teams are (almost) complete I think the time has come for a power ranking thread.
    2. Efes

    10. Fenerbahce

    OK some explanations.

    Efes doesnt worry me much but old Simon, defenseless Beabois and just shoot Anderson can choke the team from the wing side.

    Fenerbahce wont make the playoffs imo. Too many restricted role player, too many guys who cant shoot, a coach from the states and too much reliability on unreliable guys like Vesely, too many guys who didnt show anything outside their homes. I think the fragile shape will also be a problem next season. Also a test season for Kokoskov.
    Quote Originally Posted by janketa View Post
    3. Efes - They should bring better sg instead of 33y old ball hog Beaubouis to be No 1.
    8. Fener - Stronger for not having Williams, just that. Ulanovas is much worse then Datome, so we are on same level as last season. 8th spot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevfik1907 View Post
    Toruko is being anti-Fenerbahçe as usual, that guy makes me laugh.

    Efes is too unreliable with their 2 players depending (Larkin and Micic) style (I don't even call that a system, if they play bad or got injured, they fall behind of the top teams)
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    Ulanovas is not much worse than the last season's Datome, LOL.

    Overall, of course Datome is much better, but we will never have the same Datome, he was losing his athleticism year by year. And athleticism is a very important factor in Datome's game. Ulanovas is 4 years younger, he can contribute as well as old Datome. Especially at defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivo View Post
    Ulanovas is in the current starting 5 for Kokoskov? i.e. Brown - De Colo - Ulanovas - Barthel - Vesely. Also I disagree there is a huge gap (whatever that means) between any players, maybe except for De Colo. Certainly not between Ulanovas and Barthel as you imply.

    Also Pierre was great yesterday. His offense is of course limited (for now) but he can make open spot-up shots (his Italy stats) and has some moves when left 1v1. But more importantly he creates so much additional value in defense and rebounding.
    Huge gap in quality, that is meaning to be clear. That doesn't mean I don't agree with such system, on the contrary I like it. In Bob's post there was something that he wants in Real what is present in current Fener system.
    I believe in Kokoskov, he is smart guy. But I won't never write about ideal situation, like some Fener fans here(sometimes including you).

    There is one contradiction in your post too. Pierre and Ulanovas share the same position. If you are delighted with Pierre performance, at least on defense side(me too by the way), is that mean you agree that he should share minutes with Ulanovas or you still think Ulanovas is 30 minutes per game guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    This is very premature. Valencia is 2/2 in Acb and has played pretty bad against Asvel in round 1. They had good game yesterday, but it was a lot about Real and Laso. Laso is playing those games like preparation games. Look at time distribution,

    Tavares is 40 in minutes played in Euroleague. Campazzo 46th, Llull 68th, Deck 78th, Rudy 102nd. 5th player averaging only 19 minutes? And 5 Real's players with most minutes averaging only 22?

    Here's what Kokoskov said about playing Euroleague games, "In these kinds of games, you have a short rotation, but that's what it is. It's the EuroLeague and at this top level of world basketball you have to find an edge when the game is on the line, and we found that energy tonight." His top 5 players averaged more than 30 minutes yesterday. On the other hand, Laso, except Campazzo and Tavares, don't even know who should he play. Which is very strange, because he has basically the same team like previous season.

    This experiment with Alocen should stop, 22 min, 2 points and 1 assist. ORAT 40, DRAT 98.
    It is for sure, but I watched every game from them in ACB. They play excellent. I am not speaking about winning or losing but that this team has ideal role management and very structured execution. Their sets look like opening a youtube video about playbooks.

    They are 2-2, so what? Just example. They've been the better team against Baskonia but Vildoza and Dragic hit crazy shots. So they lost. It happens. If healthy they will be a greater factor then people expect this year as noone has them on Top 8 list.

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