Euroleague/Club Competition 2020-21: Signings & Rumours - vol. I

[gockun]

Thanks for sharing gockun... nice article.

You're welcome. I don't know what you guys thinking but I think Shayok has a really bright future if he stays in Europe. It has been only a couple of months so far for him playing overseas, but his game perfectly fits here. According to his scouting reports earlier before turning pro, he is a disciplined player which is also a plus for him. I hope we consider him for next year, He is a Canadian so I am pretty sure Gherardini has an eye on him.

[Worrax]

Except Şengün, Hazer, Wiltjer and Blackmon, i don't have any idea about other players cause i did not have a chance to watch them... but about Şengün and Hazer; yes waiting for higher places, and Wiltjer (i'm not sure because of Oly days) has a good improvement. I could be wrong but i can't put Blackmon close to European elite guards, at least for now. As far as i understand Shayok is a must watch. Maybe Toruko can say something about these players as a better follower.

[janketa]

I don't have an expectation from Gherardini that he will start something he never did in his Fener career, scouting Turkish league.

Of course that league is full of interesting guys, but we rather bring mediocre players from other countries.

I would pick Blackmoon and Hazer right away. Sengun isn't player for Fener, undersized and bad shooter, just rebounder for now.

[Toruko]

Except Şengün, Hazer, Wiltjer and Blackmon, i don't have any idea about other players cause i did not have a chance to watch them... but about Şengün and Hazer; yes waiting for higher places, and Wiltjer (i'm not sure because of Oly days) has a good improvement. I could be wrong but i can't put Blackmon close to European elite guards, at least for now. As far as i understand Shayok is a must watch. Maybe Toruko can say something about these players as a better follower.

Sengün would be a main contributor level player in Euroleague, especially next season. His legs are a bit weak right now but I expect him to perform at least like Sanli right now. No critics about Sanli, he has been doing a great job for weeks.

Hazer is a much bigger question mark: he is far too sloppy and careless right now, uses too many balls carelessly but he also could take a smaller role in Euroleague. Decision making, court vision and shooting must improve.

Wiltjier is a very good shooter but too much one dimensional. Average defense, below average rebounding and finishing near the rim but he is a very good shooter so that he could fill out a role in EL.

Blackmon is everthing but nothing near elite in anything. He is one of the worst decision maker that I saw in my life. He is surely not able to finish at the rim in Euroleague, Shoot is either great or terrible, he sees nothing on the court and has only one thing in mind... to score. Of course he is deadly if he is hot but it happens not very often. My opinion... not even near EL level.

My "must watch" list is:

Sam Dekker (great offensive player but bad defensively)
Kyle Wiltjier (same more or less)
Alperen Sengün (MVP)
Akoon-Purcell (Tofas Bursa), too many ups and downs but a unbelievably complete wing. Surely EL material in 1 or 2 years
Mohammadou Jaiteh (Antep)
Okben Ulubay (Petkim)
J.P. Macura (Afyon)
Marial Shayok (Bursa) moves very well and shoots well on the move, good overall scorer, really good.
Egemen Güven, really bad defender but a very versatile offensive player.
Ercan Osmani (Besiktas) was very unlucky with injuries this season but a guy with some NBA upside but needs time to bulk up and polish his movements.

[maccabeo]

in the meanwhile new name for us is j smith. another error, as mta scouts misconsider percent. he scored 17 point per game but 45% 2fg and 35%3fg. mediocre
we should start thinking of players with at least 50% 2fg and 40%3fg. not less. doesnt matter points they score as we must consider players who knows how to play with teammates. not individualists. i wonder why we never think of players like pangos or eriksson for example. as howard or grigonis. our mind is always focused on showtime players. we must change view

[ncjazz]

I don't have an expectation from Gherardini that he will start something he never did in his Fener career, scouting Turkish league.

Of course that league is full of interesting guys, but we rather bring mediocre players from other countries.

I would pick Blackmoon and Hazer right away. Sengun isn't player for Fener, undersized and bad shooter, just rebounder for now.

Sengun is pretty high on NBA draft boards right now so I would not be so sure that he will be in Europe next season.

[janketa]

Sengun is pretty high on NBA draft boards right now so I would not be so sure that he will be in Europe next season.

I just say he is not for Fener imo. He could be the best NBA player at the end but in this moment he still needs to learn a lot. Personal coach asap, individual trainings, etc..

Guys who say that Backmoon isn't EL material glorified Ulanovas after just one good qt. Of course he is not De Colo or Teo, but there are much worse shooters in so called top EL teams that look like amateurs compared to his skills.

[Toruko]

Sengun is pretty high on NBA draft boards right now so I would not be so sure that he will be in Europe next season.

Well, he said a couple times that he will stay for one more year in Europe to go readier to the NBA but it doesnt necessarily mean that he wont enter the drafts but being a potentially lottery pick could turn down everything because there will be pressure on him to come immendiately

[ncjazz]

Well, he said a couple times that he will stay for one more year in Europe to go readier to the NBA but it doesnt necessarily mean that he wont enter the drafts but being a potentially lottery pick could turn down everything because there will be pressure on him to come immendiately

Of course the NBA has the G League for such purposes. Pokusevski has been helped it seems by his time in the G League.

[janketa]

It will be interesting who will grab Nikola Ivanovic from Buducnost.

In situation when good pg is rarity and harder to find then gold, I am sure team which brings him could make good job.

I don't have an expectation that club will be Fener, because we are known as worse scouting club. We just know to pay high prices for already affirmed players.

[Katastroika]

It will be interesting who will grab Nikola Ivanovic from Buducnost.

In situation when good pg is rarity and harder to find then gold, I am sure team which brings him could make good job.

I don't have an expectation that club will be Fener, because we are known as worse scouting club. We just know to pay high prices for already affirmed players.

Scouting is not important in this case. I think everyone in Europe knows him, he is 27, he played EL with Buducnost, he played World Cup and Eurobasket.

Johnny Ivanovic is a great player but just for a running system where he has freedom. His foreign adventures were total unsuccessful until now and personally I think that Buducnost is ideal for him. I really love him as a player and asked myself often how it is possible that he doesn't make next step but he is something similar to Gordic - outside Ex Yu he is not same player out of some reason. I am quite sure he is happy to play in his hometown and maybe this is only combination that works for him. He is 27 years old and I think he'll stay in PG.

[janketa]

Scouting is not important in this case. I think everyone in Europe knows him, he is 27, he played EL with Buducnost, he played World Cup and Eurobasket.

Johnny Ivanovic is a great player but just for a running system where he has freedom. His foreign adventures were total unsuccessful until now and personally I think that Buducnost is ideal for him. I really love him as a player and asked myself often how it is possible that he doesn't make next step but he is something similar to Gordic - outside Ex Yu he is not same player out of some reason. I am quite sure he is happy to play in his hometown and maybe this is only combination that works for him. He is 27 years old and I think he'll stay in PG.

Scouting is everything if you wish to reach some goals. Even CSKA with highest budget did some great scouting. Higgins for instance...

We did that only ome time with Bogdan.. I see in Ivanovic great potential. I know for his abroad episodea aek etc but now it's moment for him.

[Katastroika]

Scouting is everything if you wish to reach some goals. Even CSKA with highest budget did some great scouting. Higgins for instance...

We did that only ome time with Bogdan.. I see in Ivanovic great potential. I know for his abroad episodea aek etc but now it's moment for him.

But what you want to scout on Ivanovic exactly? That he steps back on right side and not on left while shooting? It's a proven player. There is no need to scout him, his skillset is well-known in all Europe in basketball circles.

Only thing you would need is call his agent and sign him.
I absolutely agree with you that this player has great potential but unfortunately chance that he will unleash it ever fully is quite small. He is also injury-prone (Shoulder, leg, always something). For bench PG Johnny is surely someone who can help every team in Europe.

[janketa]

But what you want to scout on Ivanovic exactly? That he steps back on right side and not on left while shooting? It's a proven player. There is no need to scout him, his skillset is well-known in all Europe in basketball circles.

Only thing you would need is call his agent and sign him.
I absolutely agree with you that this player has great potential but unfortunately chance that he will unleash it ever fully is quite small. He is also injury-prone (Shoulder, leg, always something). For bench PG Johnny is surely someone who can help every team in Europe.

You are probably basketball expert and know better.. I realy mean this and it's not sarcasm

But in my world and in my mind scouting isn't just searching for young prospects and unaffirmed players.

It's searching for underrated players too, or players who play in lower level leagues but have potential to shine on bigger level.

We probably won't agree but it's my oppinion

[Katastroika]

You are probably basketball expert and know better.. I realy mean this and it's not sarcasm

But in my world and in my mind scouting isn't just searching for young prospects and unaffirmed players.

It's searching for underrated players too, or players who play in lower level leagues but have potential to shine on bigger level.

We probably won't agree but it's my oppinion

No sarcasm at all, I am far away from expert, too.

All I want to say is that I think that he is well known as he played on big scene, he plays ABA as a league that is followed from all teams boards, he plays EC, he plays national team. I think he is known with all his positive and negative characteristics. His skillset is known, his behavior. It's like you say you want to scout Hanga.