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    Quote Originally Posted by maccabeo View Post
    wilbekin and diba can score the same having same min per game altought diba is a better penetrator.wil rarely penetrate fast arriving under the basket. his penetration is a slow penetration often finalized with a floating shot from 2 meters. i' not criticizing wil , he is our star offensively altought having players like him doesnt help a coach creating a team chemistry. defense, well diba is surely guilthy. guilthy to be white. israeli loves americans, black americans, better if mountain of muscles.i know. not noticing all skills by diba is really somethig impressive. if was him i tried to paint black my whole body .he is a very good def players who working hard surely having some phisical limits. u should pay more attention to his defensive job. anyway bryant signed?
    Why would you care if Bryant signed or not, he's black after all. Sorry dude, but you just wrote bunch of racist nonsense. I don't care if it's against black or white or yellow, it's fucking racist. Oh and it was antisemitic too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMaccabiFan View Post
    Why would you care if Bryant signed or not, he's black after all. Sorry dude, but you just wrote bunch of racist nonsense. I don't care if it's against black or white or yellow, it's fucking racist. Oh and it was antisemitic too.
    u are really idiot. administrators shouldt allow anybody to accuse of racism.
    ull be very disappointed learning im jewish from ancient sephardits family but ti doesnt mean i have to cheer all mta players and all mta decisions. as i told i prefere underline weakness.-
    il fans are american style bball devoted . i'm for ex yu players, spanish players, grecians. that is a winner key in euro,imo. having euro players is crucial in europe. so yes, i can say im racist in a certain way. i hate players with muscles without talent (from iverson to lasme from planninic to acy) , i hate one man show players who force every action thinking they are phenomenon (from pargo to arroyo) . i hate players unable to shoot (from mekel to ohayon, from kane to lorenzo brown)
    with his great talent i bet if diba would be a black american, all il fans would consider him a star because of their nba addiction. i never liked nba style, but in last 5 year nba is getting much more perimetral and teams are much better organized, thats simply because club imported much more players and coaches. euro bbal is absolutely more tachtical advanced in defense and so offesive org needs a great ball moviment, an higher team org. thats what i like. u know i think eu bball is even more "human". nba is for supermen. there is too distance from a sport. is much more a show biz from mars
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    Quote Originally Posted by GatorsGators View Post
    John Dibartolomeo literally does nothing better than Wilbekin. Shoot, penetrate, pass, defend, etc. Nothing.

    And that's no insult to Diba -- they're similar players in style. Wilbekin is just better.
    i respct your opinion but when diba had chances to play costantly his numbers were impressive and i guess u know his stats in il league before coming. also ,with him we have a faster ball moviment . wil bring the ball too long seconds (probably his only real weakness)
    imo diba and wil are same level players very different anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by maccabeo View Post
    i respct your opinion but when diba had chances to play costantly his numbers were impressive and i guess u know his stats in il league before coming. also ,with him we have a faster ball moviment . wil bring the ball too long seconds (probably his only real weakness)
    imo diba and wil are same level players very different anyway
    Wilbekin and Diba are guarded very differently. Wilbekin consistently gets double-teamed; Rishon and HTA at times were even bringing a third guy.

    Diba doesn't generate that kind of gravity. He's a good, useful player, but there's a reason Wilbekin is the 25 minutes per game, starring role player, and Diba comes off the bench. Diba giving MTA an offensive spark last year was wonderful but it doesn't mean they should rely on him to be the main engine of their offense. That would expose him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maccabeo View Post
    u are really idiot. administrators shouldt allow anybody to accuse of racism.
    ull be very disappointed learning im jewish from ancient sephardits family but ti doesnt mean i have to cheer all mta players and all mta decisions. as i told i prefere underline weakness.-
    il fans are american style bball devoted . i'm for ex yu players, spanish players, grecians. that is a winner key in euro,imo. having euro players is crucial in europe. so yes, i can say im racist in a certain way. i hate players with muscles without talent (from iverson to lasme from planninic to acy) , i hate one man show players who force every action thinking they are phenomenon (from pargo to arroyo) . i hate players unable to shoot (from mekel to ohayon, from kane to lorenzo brown)
    with his great talent i bet if diba would be a black american, all il fans would consider him a star because of their nba addiction. i never liked nba style, but in last 5 year nba is getting much more perimetral and teams are much better organized, thats simply because club imported much more players and coaches. euro bbal is absolutely more tachtical advanced in defense and so offesive org needs a great ball moviment, an higher team org. thats what i like. u know i think eu bball is even more "human". nba is for supermen. there is too distance from a sport. is much more a show biz from mars
    You are definitely right about one thing. Racism should not be tolerated on this forum or anywhere else for that matter.

    I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt knowing English is not your native language and maybe what you write here might not always convey your true sentiment. That said, you should be aware that some of your recent posts as well as others would be considered by many to be racially insensitive at best and racist at worst.

    You have every right to prefer a certain style of play or attributes your ideal player should possess, but once you start making generalizations about people whether African Americans, Israelis, or anyone else you are on a slippery slope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ball Fiend View Post
    You are definitely right about one thing. Racism should not be tolerated on this forum or anywhere else for that matter.

    I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt knowing English is not your native language and maybe what you write here might not always convey your true sentiment. That said, you should be aware that some of your recent posts as well as others would be considered by many to be racially insensitive at best and racist at worst.

    You have every right to prefer a certain style of play or attributes your ideal player should possess, but once you start making generalizations about people whether African Americans, Israelis, or anyone else you are on a slippery slope.
    since u ve carefully read my post and so rationally answered , im going to better explain my words, that i think was quite clear even if my english is surely weak.
    well, history of diba in mta is something really unbelieveble. he came in mta being best il league player, with impressive percents (if i well remember we was 55% or somethig like that by 3. a treasure for almost every euro team. almost..) . he was very unlucky coming in a club coached by all coaches who totally refuse the arch as an offensive option. so he was always left on the side. he even had no chances! even by sfairo, who gave 25 min to kane, 20 to pargo last year (and u should see stats of those players. something unbelieveble!) and 6 min to diba! at his first error he was always fired from the match!
    after pargo-kane dramatic saga, sfairo gave his some chances. he come out has 5th best scorer per minutes scoring from everywhere , well moving the ball, working hard on court.
    thinking of some players like caner , linhart, landesberg, alexander, rochestie ,goudelock, had hard life in yellow but all of them showed their skills before or like landesberg, later .is it something by chance? mmhh.. thats not enough. i well remember crowd who cheer pargo at his first coming-back match, i well remember the exaltation of crown to any theatrical expression by kane. as i well remember enthusiasm of any arroyo forced action or by weems add. do u know why? well simply the club and fans are nba addicted. they are conditioned by everything could be considered close to nba, so forced action, muscles,jumper, dunker, black players. obviously not as ethnical sense, not as a discrimination of whites. its a psycological view of this sport. mta never build teams on euro players, never on shooters, never added shooting pf (something classical in euroleague at high level), when done lieke with macvan , obviously he was fired.
    so in the middle of this environment, i bet that with his skills, if diba was a black player he had more consideration by past coaches and fan. its something psicological.
    i even shouldnt listed withe or black players i loved and i hated. is simply absurd considering my words as racist if u really want to understand that. me, who even like black girls much more than withes!
    culturally americans and israeli prefere show time, dunk, muscles, supermen. euro basket is different. we should give more space to euro phlosphy as nba is giving space to euro coaches and players as never happened before.
    do u follow football? italian football. well there is a player in sassuolo, Caputo who not considering penalties, scored like immobile. He is a great player valuated around 15 mln. i always says that if he was brazilian or deutch his value would be 50. thats what i meant writing of diba
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    Quote Originally Posted by maccabeo View Post
    u are really idiot. administrators shouldt allow anybody to accuse of racism.
    ull be very disappointed learning im jewish from ancient sephardits family but ti doesnt mean i have to cheer all mta players and all mta decisions. as i told i prefere underline weakness.-
    il fans are american style bball devoted . i'm for ex yu players, spanish players, grecians. that is a winner key in euro,imo. having euro players is crucial in europe. so yes, i can say im racist in a certain way. i hate players with muscles without talent (from iverson to lasme from planninic to acy) , i hate one man show players who force every action thinking they are phenomenon (from pargo to arroyo) . i hate players unable to shoot (from mekel to ohayon, from kane to lorenzo brown)
    with his great talent i bet if diba would be a black american, all il fans would consider him a star because of their nba addiction. i never liked nba style, but in last 5 year nba is getting much more perimetral and teams are much better organized, thats simply because club imported much more players and coaches. euro bbal is absolutely more tachtical advanced in defense and so offesive org needs a great ball moviment, an higher team org. thats what i like. u know i think eu bball is even more "human". nba is for supermen. there is too distance from a sport. is much more a show biz from mars
    So you admit you are racist (in certain way?), why are you damn outraged I call you one??? And you continue to generalise and claim, without any basis in reality that if DiBa was black he would be getting more minutes??? You continue and generalise and claim Israeli fans prefer certain type of basketball? I tell you what type of basketball we, real Maccabi fans prefer - iron defence (when everybody is committed and works his legs in defence) , fast pacing, smart combinations, and good shooting, doesn't matter from 3 or 2. I love decent 3 point shooters as much as other guy, I just refuse to judge any player just by his 3p %.
    You want Maccabi somehow adapt 'European' (which? Greek, Spanish? ex-Yugoslavian? Italian, German?) basketball, and forget almost hundred years of tradition and ethos? We are flexible, after all Sfairo is Greek and adored by Maccabi fans, because he understands what Maccabi is about, Spahija on the other hand, never understood it and never succeeded in his two times in Maccabi.
    But change all of our game, because of you, someone I doubt Maccabi sport club knows about, surely not someone Maccabi club cares about?
    To expect it, is laughable, masochistic, and frankly, insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMaccabiFan View Post
    So you admit you are racist (in certain way?)
    "techincal racist", a funny way i used to say, i prefere european style, euroteams builted counting om europeans more than we use to. but no way, u cant understand and i m not so sure i called me racist in this same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMaccabiFan View Post
    You want Maccabi somehow adapt 'European' (which? Greek, Spanish? ex-Yugoslavian? Italian, German?) basketball, and forget almost hundred years of tradition and ethos?
    yep. and u know why? because simply bball it was revolutioned by the arch. even nba now is getting mainly a perimetral show.pitino recently said "nba is now a 3 poit shoot tournament". u cant be freezed watching changement. 30 yers ago, adding strong americans (usually a strong g penetrator and a dominant big man) gaves u certain power on court. now thats not enough. u need having big pf able to shoot, center with mid range shoot, europeans shooter, together, sure, with some great americans. truly great, not the ones mta fans were cheering because of their useless show time forced actions

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMaccabiFan View Post
    Maccabi announced Caloiaro's contract today, two years deal with option for another year. They taking it slowly dammmit, one player per day...Building for big announcent?
    i was expecting this offically. great new . somethig this guy absolutely deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maccabeo View Post
    i was expecting this offically. great new . somethig this guy absolutely deserved.
    But not because of his dry stats, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMurphy View Post
    But not because of his dry stats, right?
    59%2fg, 32.4 3fg
    his fg average is very good as i consider 59% 2fg excellent. sure not a great 3p percent.
    in 2 ys we won many matrches because of him. great fighter ,always a factor in crucial moments. surely best mta playuer 2 yes ago. in 19-20 he had own training something could condition his performances , but dont
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    Quote Originally Posted by maccabeo View Post
    59%2fg, 32.4 3fg
    his fg average is very good as i consider 59% 2fg excellent. sure not a great 3p percent.
    in 2 ys we won many matrches because of him. great fighter ,always a factor in crucial moments. surely best mta playuer 2 yes ago. in 19-20 he had own training something could condition his performances , but dont
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    I agree with the compliments to Caloiaro. He is in fact playing with a lot of passion, hustle and grit, showing up when it counts, high IQ, can match up with guards and bigs and therefore gives quality switching solutions, gluing a team together etc. A great guy as well. All the traits that you usually find redundant in a basketball player. I salute you for being able to see beyond Caloiaro's numbers. I wonder, however, why do you fail to see these qualities in many other players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMurphy View Post
    I agree with the compliments to Caloiaro. He is in fact playing with a lot of passion, hustle and grit, showing up when it counts, high IQ, can match up with guards and bigs and therefore gives quality switching solutions, gluing a team together etc. A great guy as well. All the traits that you usually find redundant in a basketball player. I salute you for being able to see beyond Caloiaro's numbers. I wonder, however, why do you fail to see these qualities in many other players.
    Only reason I can imagine (from his perspective)...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD2pOtRGaG4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Only reason I can imagine (from his perspective)...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD2pOtRGaG4
    but simply, i am and yes, i confirm italian arent jews as many, dont like jewish, as everywhere. its our history, but it would be a little bit too long writing of it here
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMurphy View Post
    I agree with the compliments to Caloiaro. He is in fact playing with a lot of passion, hustle and grit, showing up when it counts, high IQ, can match up with guards and bigs and therefore gives quality switching solutions, gluing a team together etc. A great guy as well. All the traits that you usually find redundant in a basketball player. I salute you for being able to see beyond Caloiaro's numbers. I wonder, however, why do you fail to see these qualities in many other players.
    well, kane was a fighter, ohayon gave always all he can, planninic also. here just to name three among 5 five worst players i our histor (with arroyo and mekel. imo). so three passionate players BUT
    differently than calo, they: often lost ball, they were never in the right place at the right time in the meanwhile of hardest crucial moments of the matches, they had no talent, they usually choose for the most irrational option, they were mostly unable to score.
    differently than what u all think of calo, he is not just a marvellous fighter. Thats not enough to say a player is a good player. he is also a very rational player, who rarely lost the ball, who rarely force action, who has talent, much more than u notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maccabeo View Post
    but simply, i am and yes, i confirm italian arent jews as mostly dont like jewish, as everywhere. its our history, but it would be a little bit too long writing of it here
    Generalising, AGAIN...on this occasion I can write a long long list of Jewish antisemites, it's a bit too long to write here..

    And you dare to say Carlos Arroyo, who was legit NBA player, the the guy who won two Turkish League Championships with to different teams tree years later, and also was named Israeli league final MVP was one of our worst players? Really? I wasn't his big fan, he took a bit too much on himself, but this is ridiculous. And don't forget that Maccabi that year didn't have a good center, and back court was ageing...No superstars, except Arroyo either. Add to this catastrophic beginning of the year with this idiot Effi...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMaccabiFan View Post
    Generalising, AGAIN...on this occasion I can write a long long list of Jewish antisemites, it's a bit too long to write here..

    And you dare to say Carlos Arroyo, who was legit NBA player, the the guy who won two Turkish League Championships with to different teams tree years later, and also was named Israeli league final MVP was one of our worst players? Really? I wasn't his big fan, he took a bit too much on himself, but this is ridiculous. And don't forget that Maccabi that year didn't have a good center, and back court was ageing...No superstars, except Arroyo either. Add to this catastrophic beginning of the year with this idiot Effi...
    u are quite right. Not exactly jews who are antisemitic, this is a non sense stupid idea. Surely jewish who are agsinst israel simply because they dont really knows history of that land mostly, radical chic, often socialists intellectuals . But this is not the place to discuss it. Im simply an old mta fan, jewish, who differently than u would like a stronger mta, being sure that even with our budget we could play playoffs every year. It would be enough having different bball views by club first and by fans
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    Maccabi won training game, against Holon 77:74, with half of the roster (no Casspi, no JonDi, No Smith,no Zussman). Zizic was good with 20/12 rebounds, Hunter, Wilbekin were good too, Dorcy and Bryant did well (half-triple double each...) too.
    It's still early, and we still missing Amare (will be signed???) and foreign PF...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMaccabiFan View Post
    Maccabi won training game, against Holon 77:74, with half of the roster (no Casspi, no JonDi, No Smith,no Zussman). Zizic was goof with 20/12 rebounds, Hunter, Wilbekin were good too, Dorcy and Bryant did well (half-triple double each...) too.
    It's still early, and we still missing Amare (will be signed???) and foreign PF...
    we surely need pf (with very good shooting ability-gill for example) .sfairo decisions about guards minutes sharing , would be crucial

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