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  • #31
    Originally posted by Artek
    Their mass testing was also coupled with stringent surveillance of COVID patients and suspected cases - something that we do not have (and not even the US unless they start requiring ankle tracker a la people under probation).

    Mass testing will only be effective you you implement surveillance to make sure PUIs and positive cases follow social distancing.

    Sa Pilipinas, wala eh. Yung VIP na may sintomas at nagpositive, naglagalag pa sa MMC at S&R.
    Originally posted by analyzed
    ^^
    Correct mass testing without physically isolating both negative and positive results back into the community. Will not work

    I have yet to see a plan on how they will execute this, puro new kits etc.. Without a plan in place, wala rin, u can't expect a plan anyway when u don't have people really in charge of the national crisis response. Wala were a headless chicken.. without dirction
    True, guys. The most essential part of any measure would always be distancing and isolation. However we approach this contagion, whether via partial or total lockdown, aggressive testing, priority testing, it would always boil down to avoiding contact to stop the spread.

    Having said that, mass testing would always be a very helpful ally against this pandemic as it means identifying the most number of possible carriers, esp the asymptomatic and mild ones, before they could do more damage by going on with their lives not knowing they are spreading the virus in the process.
    Never look too far ahead. You might stumble on a block right in front of you.

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    • #32
      Anyway, we broke the record anew for most deaths in one day. Today's number is at a staggering 969 deaths, toppling the previous high of 793 registered a few days ago.

      Edit: Today’s actual death is 919. The 50 was yesterday’s, when Italia’s Protezione Civile committed a typographical error on the report.
      Last edited by NOiNU; 03-28-2020, 12:25 AM.
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      • #33
        I think the Philippines has the highest % (20%)of deaths of medical frontliners (10)compared to total deaths (54)
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        • #34
          I think the Philippines has the highest % (20%)of deaths of medical frontliners (10)compared to total deaths (54)
          This spells the lack of proper protocol put in place by the government. It seems that they relied on people's honesty about their contacts and travel history.

          Should the supply of kits be more available, ideally, we should test ALL people seeking medical help no matter the symptoms. It's not very realistic to really test 110 million people in the Philippines.

          There was a gap between the first three cases (Chinese immigrants) and the fourth case (Filipino who came from Japan) and the DOH did nothing, unfortunately.

          One case that even scared the residents of Baguio was a case of a young government worker who has been to Japan in late Feb, became a PUI early March due to cough and travel history but despite being a PUI, she went to Baguio, attended a conference, became a "tourist" and when she came back to Manila and got her results, she came out positive.

          You can see how lax has the government been regarding the cases. There was no strong implementation of social distancing for PUIs. Just imagine the number of PUIs that don't self-quarantine that don't make it to the media.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by NOiNU View Post
            Anyway, we broke the record anew for most deaths in one day. Today's number is at a staggering 969 deaths, toppling the previous high of 793 registered a few days ago.
            Looks like Italy has not really peaked yet. Stay safe, kabayan

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Artek View Post
              This spells the lack of proper protocol put in place by the government. It seems that they relied on people's honesty about their contacts and travel history.

              Should the supply of kits be more available, ideally, we should test ALL people seeking medical help no matter the symptoms. It's not very realistic to really test 110 million people in the Philippines.

              There was a gap between the first three cases (Chinese immigrants) and the fourth case (Filipino who came from Japan) and the DOH did nothing, unfortunately.

              One case that even scared the residents of Baguio was a case of a young government worker who has been to Japan in late Feb, became a PUI early March due to cough and travel history but despite being a PUI, she went to Baguio, attended a conference, became a "tourist" and when she came back to Manila and got her results, she came out positive.

              You can see how lax has the government been regarding the cases. There was no strong implementation of social distancing for PUIs. Just imagine the number of PUIs that don't self-quarantine that don't make it to the media.
              The first case in Batangas was an old guy who traveled to the UK. Attended an event and alot of people got exposed including the vice gov. Got his sister infected ( who eventually died). 3rd case was an old woman who came home from Italy and allegedly even had a boodlefight with family and friends. Boss in Italy later died of Covid. How are these people not in quarantine automatically given their travel history? Heck even the new cases in Batangas are products of the ineffective quarantine. These are people who went back to Batangas from Manila.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Artek View Post
                Looks like Italy has not really peaked yet. Stay safe, kabayan
                Thanks, you too. Hope you’re wrong and this is just an anomaly. People are starting to lose their nerves, and their patience. Suicides amongst positive cases and scared citizens are becoming rampant. Even a nurse committed suicide inside a hospital because she can no longer handle the stress.

                This is a test of resolve more than a test of immune system. If one is weak, he’d be defeated even before contracting the virus. I am tempted to say that this wouldn’t be the case for us Pinoys as we are used to any kind of hardships. We are tough. But then again this is a different animal. Not like anything we ever faced before in our lifetime. Of course not unless you’re Senator Juan Ponce Enrile.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post
                  The first case in Batangas was an old guy who traveled to the UK. Attended an event and alot of people got exposed including the vice gov. Got his sister infected ( who eventually died). 3rd case was an old woman who came home from Italy and allegedly even had a boodlefight with family and friends. Boss in Italy later died of Covid. How are these people not in quarantine automatically given their travel history? Heck even the new cases in Batangas are products of the ineffective quarantine. These are people who went back to Batangas from Manila.
                  One big mistake of this government was not to quarantine inbound travelers especially those who came from known infected countries. It seems that we have more carriers from countries OTHER than China than spread the virus.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Artek View Post
                    One big mistake of this government was not to quarantine inbound travelers especially those who came from known infected countries. It seems that we have more carriers from countries OTHER than China than spread the virus.
                    It seems like they thought they got the situation under control after the initial outbreak. Most people thought that only the Chinese were the possible carriers. Heck I remember it was a big issue when they wanted to ban Taiwan flights too.

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                    • #40
                      US passes 100,000 CASES of Covid-19 after becoming world epicenter for virus - Johns Hopkins University

                      The United States has hit a landmark of more than 100,000 coronavirus infections, widening the gap over other afflicted nations as it solidifies its place as the world’s top hot spot for the lethal illness.
                      Originally posted by PeeZones
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                      • #41
                        This has been the trend for most countries hardly hit by Covid19. They downplay the situation and underestimate the threat.

                        It’s not easy to find an equilibrium of neutralizing the threat and not letting the economy suffer. This is what I learned from all these—“The cure shouldn’t be worse than the disease itself. The only difference between medicine and poison is the dosage”. Countries wanna save the hand but they are not going to cut the whole arm just to do it. Now they realize the whole body is under threat from the very beginning.
                        Never look too far ahead. You might stumble on a block right in front of you.

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                        • #42
                          When is this ever gonna stop

                          New PH coronavirus cases spike by 272, total now at 1,075
                          The Department of Health says 14 more patients died of the coronavirus disease, raising the death toll to 68

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Anonymous123 View Post
                            When is this ever gonna stop

                            New PH coronavirus cases spike by 272, total now at 1,075
                            https://www.rappler.com/nation/25621...-march-28-2020
                            Sadly, not soon. Those numbers are just at base of the curve. We could only hope the peak isn’t sky high. The measures are in place, albeit not ideal. It is up to the people to do their part.
                            Never look too far ahead. You might stumble on a block right in front of you.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post
                              It seems like they thought they got the situation under control after the initial outbreak. Most people thought that only the Chinese were the possible carriers. Heck I remember it was a big issue when they wanted to ban Taiwan flights too.
                              I think what should have been done was to restrict flights. Not ban, but restrict travel to essential flights. Non-essential flights should have been banned like tourism. A lot of our virus carriers were either OFWs or Filipino tourists who went to Japan, USA, Singapore, Europe. Like the first Filipino case. He went to Japan with his family in the middle of February.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by NOiNU View Post
                                This has been the trend for most countries hardly hit by Covid19. They downplay the situation and underestimate the threat.

                                It’s not easy to find an equilibrium of neutralizing the threat and not letting the economy suffer. This is what I learned from all these—“The cure shouldn’t be worse than the disease itself. The only difference between medicine and poison is the dosage”. Countries wanna save the hand but they are not going to cut the whole arm just to do it. Now they realize the whole body is under threat from the very beginning.
                                I think there's a political "reason" as to why this was downplayed ans underestimated. First, there were the misleading statements by the WHO, and lets be honest. Should most countries took extra precaution, China would be accusing everyone of racism/xenophobia. Just look at how China complained about countries who wanted to restrict flights to China, they complained.

                                The head of the WHO is really dumb. A few weeks ago he was saying lockdown is not needed, you just need to test, test, test and isolate. And when Donald Trump announced that he wants America open by Easter, the same guy said "it's not a good idea to do that"

                                Ano ba talaga, kuya?

                                I think we would have not been in this situation if the WHO was more honest with the assessment and did NOT cater to Beijing's whim. Tedros effed up here

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