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    Default Euroleague Regular Season: Week 26

    Real Madrid 55 vs Panathinaikos 45
    CSKA Moscow 51 vs Barcelona 49
    Zenit St Pete 55 vs Bayern Munich 45
    Alba Berlin 45 vs Anadulu Efes 55
    Tel Aviv 60 vs Olympiacos 40
    Baskonia 51 vs Crvena Zvezda 49
    Khimki Moscow 60 vs Asvel Lyon 40
    Zalgiris 60 vs Milan 40
    Valencia 51 vs Fenerbache 49

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    Not a single comment on Real:Pao? This says a lot about this years Pao team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    Not a single comment on Real:Pao? The says a lot about this years Pao team.
    Result was expected. This is my comment.

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    They got close for a bit but an awful 4th quarter for Pana....They looked soft to be honest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman365 View Post
    They got close for a bit but an alful 4th quarter for Pana....They looked soft to be honest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Result was expected. This is my comment.
    Yup. Sad but true.
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    We might see another Real:Pao playoff series, if Pao finishes season strong.
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    Quite expected. It's not just the difference of quality between Pao's and Real's roster. Real is a well built machine to the point of being finished. Same coach, same core players, good additions every season. That's how great teams are created.

    Pao on the other hand is in a continuous "rebuilt", in fact random changes instead of any real progress. Some months ago, I was expecting a better performance than what we have watched in the last games. And a couple of good transfers. Not Rautins, that's for sure.

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    CSKA Moscow vs Barcelona 45-55
    Zenit St Pete vs Bayern Munich 55-45
    Alba Berlin vs Anadulu Efes 45-55
    Tel Aviv vs Olympiacos 60-40
    Baskonia vs Crvena Zvezda 55-45
    Khimki Moscow vs Asvel Lyon 65-35
    Zalgiris vs Milan 50-50
    Valencia vs Fenerbache 45-55
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    We are talking a lot about benches, but it’s much easier explanation. Put Campazzo and Tavares in Pao instead of Calathes-Papagiannis or in Fener instead of Sloukas-Vesely and both clubs would become top4 contenders instantly and Real would have regressed.
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    10th consecutive win against PAO, and Laso is 5-0 against Pitino.

    Real Madrid is the worst possible opponent for PAO in the playoffs. Tavares always plays good against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    10th consecutive win against PAO, and Laso is 5-0 against Pitino.

    Real Madrid is the worst possible opponent for PAO in the playoffs. Tavares always plays good against them.
    Exactly, if we make the playoffs, we have to avoid Real. Not that we would ever be favourites against any of the Top4, but with Real and our current past meetings history, the chances are 1%.
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    I think everyone's looking to avoid Real.
    The finals will be Real-Efes and I think Real's system will have by then figured out the Larkin problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    10th consecutive win against PAO, and Laso is 5-0 against Pitino.

    Real Madrid is the worst possible opponent for PAO in the playoffs. Tavares always plays good against them.
    Congrats. Another win vs a team with one third of your budget, which is targeting to be in top-8. That's something!
    And the comment about the record of Lasso vs Pitino is meaningless for anyone except you, as it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adon View Post
    Congrats. Another win vs a team with one third of your budget, which is targeting to be in top-8. That's something!
    And the comment about the record of Lasso vs Pitino is meaningless for anyone except you, as it seems.
    Can we please stop with this bullshit, comparing Pao's players salaries with Real's whole budget.

    I guess you're totally unimpressed with Obra's era in Pao too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    Can we please stop with this bullshit, comparing Pao's players salaries with Real's whole budget.

    I guess you're totally unimpressed with Obra's era in Pao too?
    Sorry to say, your comment is completely stupid. You can see my opinion and admiration for Real if you look my first post in this thread.

    I suppose neither you or mrchacho get what I mean, but compering the record of Lasso vs Pitino, when Pitino has come in the middle of the season both times and he didn't even build his team with the given budget, is the same bullshit as your last guess.

    Btw, the budget is completely irrelevant to quality, expectations, targets, placements and such, as we all know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adon View Post
    Congrats. Another win vs a team with one third of your budget, which is targeting to be in top-8. That's something!
    And the comment about the record of Lasso vs Pitino is meaningless for anyone except you, as it seems.
    Bilbao beat us once and they were close at spanish Cup again with one third of your budget (or less). And the same goes to Joventut.

    Calathes earns more than Campazzo, amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chacho View Post
    Bilbao beat us once and they were close at spanish Cup again with one third of your budget (or less). And the same goes to Joventut.

    Calathes earns more than Campazzo, amazing.
    Really? Then you are right about everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adon View Post
    Sorry to say, your comment is completely stupid. You can see my opinion and admiration for Real if you look my first post in this thread.

    I suppose neither you or mrchacho get what I mean, but compering the record of Lasso vs Pitino, when Pitino has come in the middle of the season both times and he didn't even build his team with the given budget, is the same bullshit as your last guess.

    Btw, the budget is completely irrelevant to quality, expectations, targets, placements and such, as we all know
    I don't believe many Pao fans are admitting that they have won all titles just because they had top budget. But that wasn't the reason for my post. Pao doesn't have 1/3 of Real's budget, what was your claim. L'equipe article was just incredibly wrong. Some numbers net other gross. Or do you really believe that Pao's gross salaries are under 10 mio?

    If I'm not mistaken Mr. Chacho was talking about last 3 years, not only this season. And loosing 10 in a row is kinda embarrassing for a club like Pao, no matter what circumstances might be. If they meet again in playoffs, good luck with explaining how Pao is 1-15 in last 5 seasons in playoffs because of the small budget.
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    I think the answer is somewhere in between. There should be no argument that a team that has more resources can attract and maintain better players; not only does Real have a healthier budget, they play in a more attractive, competitive league that will draw more of the elite.

    The fact that Calathes (and any X player in Greece specifically) may earn more than a Barcelona or Real player in isolation may happen; this is because Panathinaikos/Olympiakos as mentioned play in a less attractive league and players will require a higher salary to sign and renew with these clubs.

    On the other hand, if money was the only factor in basketball or any other sport for the matter, then what's the point of competing anyway. We should award the trophies to the richest clubs in September and go home and watch Sex and the City boxset.

    Zalgiris is a good example of a solid team, with a good coach, a determined well trained team that can challenge opponents that have much higher budgets.

    To conclude, Panathinaikos is at a slight disadvantage over Real, as we may have been at a slight advantage a decade ago. The fact that Calathes may earn more than others bears no relevance; it is the overall amount of financial resources that will help towards forming a balanced team. Personally, it is a compliment that Real fans will celebrate these victories against us and taunt us, because it means they respect us and consider us a team worth beating. If these victories were ignored, then truly it would be a sign that we have fallen in status - because in strength we already have.

    The fact around Pitino is indeed unfair as well. As Adon said, there is no direct comparison and also zero point in doing so. I can understand a Laso vs Obradovic or Obradovic vs Itoudis discussion but to compare what is essentially a newcomer to Euroleague who never had a full season with the club against an established coach with Real for years is neither here nor there.
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