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    Quote Originally Posted by Hepcat View Post
    Indeed! It's about time. Waiting for NBA players to decide whether they can be bothered to play hasn't enabled the much needed team chemistry to be created.



    We will see if it actually happens. I'm still a little skeptical. It seems the right strategy in theory but I'm not sure if a North American side can actually pull this off.

    I hope it is something more than an enthusiatic turnout this summer only to see it fall apart for next summers' World Cup. The WC is the easist path into the Olympics and needs to be prioritized.

    Plus, I kinda want to go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Plus, I kinda want to go...

    Indonesia, Japan and the Philippines? Expensive trip!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    I don't really like the title of this thread but I'll post this hear anyways.


    Canada has announced a committment by 14 players to the Senior National Team for a three-year cycle through the 2023 Olympics in Paris.

    This is Canada Basketball's attempt at reversing years of disappointing player turnout and terrible chemistry and consistency when the NBA players actually do show. The hope is to create a core of players, where most play every summer building experience, chemistry, tactics and create some form of an actual "team". We know the talent is there (if it shows) but they finnally realized after losing to a much less talented Czech team on home soil, that experience with FIBA and each other actually matters.

    The 14 players include:

    Nickeil Alexander-Walker — Utah Jazz (NBA)
    RJ Barrett — New York Knicks (NBA)
    Khem Birch — Toronto Raptors (NBA)
    Oshae Brissett — Indiana Pacers (NBA)
    Dillon Brooks — Memphis Grizzlies (NBA)
    Luguentz Dort — Oklahoma City Thunder (NBA)
    Zach Edey — Purdue (NCAA)
    Melvin Ejim — Cedevita Olimpija (Slovenia)
    Shai Gilgeous-Alexander — Oklahoma City Thunder (NBA)
    Cory Joseph — Detroit Pistons (NBA)
    Jamal Murray — Denver Nuggets (NBA)
    Kelly Olynyk — Detroit Pistons (NBA)
    Kevin Pangos — Cleveland Cavaliers (NBA)
    Dwight Powell — Dallas Mavericks (NBA)


    They asked for a 3-year "committment" (I think on paper) which resulted in no Andrew Wiggins, Brandon Clarke, Trey Lyles, Tristan Thompson, Chris Boucher, Josh Primo and a couple others that could/should be in this 14. The roster is technically not closed off to them, but enough of this 14 would need to be unavailable (injury etc) for a roster spot to open up. I can only imagine that if Andrew Wiggins was available they would find a way to include him. Maybe tough luck for the others....

    They are also are supposed to fill any holes from the "winter core" which is highlighted by guys like Kyle Alexander, Kyle Wiltjer, Thomas Scrubb, Kassius Robertson, Phil Scrubb etc,. The team that has been playing the in-season WC Qualfiers (lots of solid ACB/BCL, EuroCup type players to choose from).


    Looks like Melvin Ejim and Kevin Pangos were included to provide some FIBA experience and leadership. Zach Edey is included as a direct response to Canada being totally undersized versus the Czechs. Up front still seems a size concern, but it'd be much better than the Qualifier team. Plenty of elite wings and gaurds - not so sure about depth at C and PG.

    I don't expect 100% of these guys at each event but hopefully it is most of them (free agency, injuries still happen) so they actually do buidl chemistry. For example the World Cup Qualification Window 3 is about 10 days away. No roster has been announced yet, but Khem Burch just had knee surgery and I think Jamal Murray and Lu Dort are still recovering from long term injuries. No idea who else may sit out, but it could already be telling if many did.


    We'll see if this is finally the solution Canada has been searching for. To me....what happens next summer for the World Cup will be the first real test. The three events this summer are pretty minor...

    And I'm still convinced any high level hopes are contingent on having Jamal Murray, Shai Gilgeous Alexander and Kelly Olynyk all playing at once. Maybe throw RJ Barrett (definitley Wiggins) into that grouop and you only need 3 of the 4. The rest are role players.



    Also the 2020 NBA Draft is this week. Should see another 4 Canadians drafted (2 in the Top 10) in Shaedon Sharpe, Bennedict Mathurin, Andrew Nembhard, Caleb Houstan. The talent pipeline is not slowing down.


    Lol....I know I should have expected this from Canada Basketball and I understand this Qualfier window ins't the most important and is usually a harder one to get the NBA guys (than August), but... of that list of 14 above (our so called "core" of committed players for a 3 year cycle) only six have decided they can attend the first test (on home soil no less!).

    16 players in camp ahead of next week FIBA World Cup qualifiers for Canada include a mere 4 NBA players and of the "core 14" only:
    Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
    Nickeil Alexander-Walker
    Kelly Olynyk
    Dwight Powell
    Zach Edey
    Melvin Ejim

    The rest come from what's considered the "winter core" thats been playing the in-seaon Qualfiers:
    Kyle Alexander
    Trae Bell-Haynes
    Aaron Best
    Kenny Chery
    Kaza Kajami-Keane
    Conor Morgan
    JV Mukama
    Kassius Robertson
    Phil Scrubb
    Thomas Scrubb

    My guess is the 4 NBA guys probaly dont even travel to USVI for the away game.


    Due to a variety of injuries, contract concerns and who knows what else, Khem Birch, Lu Dort, RJ Barrett, Oshae Brissett, jamal Murray, Kevin Pangos are all attending camp but won't play this window. Cory Joseph is supposedly exempt from camp (baby due) and no word whatsoever on Dillon Brooks.

    Not that this group should have trouble with USVI or DR, but once again Canada Basektball barks loud and then shows up with a whimper....



    On the bright side it is critical to have SGA in the mix as I think he is among the 2 most important players for Canada, probably the most important when you consider Jamal Murray's constant injury concerns. And maybe (maybe!) just having the rest of the guys at camp creates some sort of positive benefit. But they need better participation or there is no real point to this "core".
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    If anyone is interested in Canada's current talent pool (Fall 2022) this an excellent and comprehensive deep dive into Canada's Top 50 players plus some honorable mentions.

    Now if we could only get them all to show up.

    https://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie...f=32&t=2229691


    Always welcome the opinions here on the Euro based players. Guys we don't see as much of and may be missing the mark somewhat.

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    Bennedict Mathurin looks dynamic. Good piece at 2/3 for Canada going further.
    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
    Buzelis, Lelevicius
    Murauskas, Sirvydis
    Tubelis, Krivas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Bennedict Mathurin looks dynamic. Good piece at 2/3 for Canada going further.


    Yeah it has been an interesting pre-season for the next generation of Canadain players.
    Mathurin has looked like a potential ROY candidate.
    Shaedon Sharpe has shown some insane flashes of athletic brilliance, and some good all-around games. I don;t think there is a good path to minutes in Portland though.
    Josh Primo has a great game for the Spurs last night.
    Andrew Nembhard looks like he could grab a back up PG role in Indiana.
    Dalano Banton might have won himself a rotation role in Toronto.
    Caleb Houstan has had some good moments in Orlando (not sure about him yet thought)
    Even a a fringe player like Eugene Omoruyi (two-way) has had some fantastic games in OKC and could carve himslef out a role.

    Just preseason though and only Mathurin looks like a sure thing.

    And still no young NBA calibre bigs coming through the pipeline. Zach Edey (Purdue), Charlse Bediako (Alabama), Fardaws Aimaq (Texas Tech) are on the watchlist though.

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    Canada hasnt reigned anything yet.

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    Because Canada couldn't get their shit together. I'm talking about pieces.

    SGA, Murray
    Wiggins, Dort, Mathurin
    Dilon Brooks, RJ Barret
    Brandon Clarke, Dwight Powell,
    Chris Boucher, Kelly Olynyk, Khem Birch

    I meam SGA, Murray, Wiggins, Brooks, Barret, Dort....Who can field better backcourt other than USA? The answer - nobody.
    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
    Buzelis, Lelevicius
    Murauskas, Sirvydis
    Tubelis, Krivas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Canada hasnt reigned anything yet.
    Don't think anyone would argue with you there (other than reigning/raining NBA draft picks over the last decade).

    But the potential is intriguing, especially as the prospects keep coming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Because Canada couldn't get their shit together. I'm talking about pieces.

    SGA, Murray
    Wiggins, Dort, Mathurin
    Dilon Brooks, RJ Barret
    Brandon Clarke, Dwight Powell,
    Chris Boucher, Kelly Olynyk, Khem Birch

    I meam SGA, Murray, Wiggins, Brooks, Barret, Dort....Who can field better backcourt other than USA? The answer - nobody.
    Its not my fault when they are not ready to perform for their home country.

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    Canada might have another Jamal Murray / Shai Gilgeous Alexander all-star level player in Bennedict Mathurin.

    Bennedict Mathurin is only the fifth NBA player since 1980 to score at least 72 points in his first three career games?and the first since 1995:

    Isiah Thomas
    Dominique Wilkins
    Michael Jordan
    Jerry Stackhouse
    Bennedict Mathurin

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Canada might have another Jamal Murray / Shai Gilgeous Alexander all-star level player in Bennedict Mathurin.

    Bennedict Mathurin is only the fifth NBA player since 1980 to score at least 72 points in his first three career games?and the first since 1995:

    Isiah Thomas
    Dominique Wilkins
    Michael Jordan
    Jerry Stackhouse
    Bennedict Mathurin
    He's also most athletic one, maybe on the same tier with Wiggins, but might even be more explosive. It would in insane to see SGA, Murray, Wiggins, Mathurin, Dort, Brooks, Barret backcourt in one team.
    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
    Buzelis, Lelevicius
    Murauskas, Sirvydis
    Tubelis, Krivas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    He's also most athletic one, maybe on the same tier with Wiggins, but might even be more explosive. It would in insane to see SGA, Murray, Wiggins, Mathurin, Dort, Brooks, Barret backcourt in one team.
    Honestly the best athlete of them all may be Shaedon Sharpe. That kids is tremdously athletic and fluid. He looks effortless out there. But he is a little ways behind Mathurin in development and not in as good a team situations (Indiana vs Portland who are much deeper on the wing).

    keep an eye on him and how many minutes he gets...but he won't be in Team Canada's orbit until the next WC/Olympic cycle.

    Mathurin could sneak into this one, but it seems doubtful. The young stars usually pass on the NT until they get that 2nd contract locked up.
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    I think SGA might be second most skilled player in the NBA right now after Curry. My goodness.
    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
    Buzelis, Lelevicius
    Murauskas, Sirvydis
    Tubelis, Krivas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    I think SGA might be second most skilled player in the NBA right now after Curry. My goodness.


    Yeah it has been impressive.

    He was so clearly multiple levels above everyone on the floor during the WCQ games this summer. Yeah it was lower competition, but he got whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted and still looked like he was holding back trying to get his teammates involved more.

    I really think he is the key to any success Canada will see in the near future. I think he is our Luka, Giannis, Jokic - without him playing it is tough to see Canada pulling it all together for a medal. With him I think anything is possible.


    He and Mathurin and Sharpe have made it a fun start to the season. It helps cover up the more embarrassing Canadian storylines.

    [cough] Josh Primo [cough] [cough] [cough]

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