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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Finally someone credits memphis. I believe they made a great job in the last 2 drafts
    It's not just Ja Morant and Jarret Jackson jr. which make the Grizzlies stand out.

    I believe they are copying the Bucks "model" of building a team to last... (which is great). They even hired the Bucks ex-assistant coach to be their leading coach this season and they've paid a lot of attention on their G-league affiliate in order to develop more young talent.

    Interesting that both the affiliates of the Bucks and the Grizzlies in the G-league are leading their respective conferences by having the best record. Definitely they are a model of how a team (and not a circus like some others that are trying to buy a title) should be, a team that will significantly improve for each and every season for all the following decade.

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    There is an important rule that the league has announced for the 22 teams which will participate in Orlando... It will apply for this season only obviously due to the pandemic and because some (few) players may refuse to play.

    Therefore the teams can declare and take to Orlando not 15, but 17 players this time. The additional two players can be either out of the 2-way contracts or out of free agency.

    For the purpose of signing a free agent, or converting a 2-way contract to regular, there will be an open window of one week at the end of June.

    Still, although there will be 17 players for each team which will be allowed to go to Orlando, there will be only 15 players which will participate when the games begin which then means that if a team will go to Orlando with 17 players, then two must be rejected by the end of July...

    This development may lead on additions to the roster which may affect some of the teams future, particularly if the additions are of young but proven players... The Bucks for instance, are expected to advance 25y.o. play making guard Frank Mason III from a 2-way spot he now occupies to a regular contract and could also be after signing back 21y.o. Dragan Bender out of free agency.

    If such a development will happen with any team, I will revise the future potential power rankings accordingly.

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    After the impressive performance of the (healthy after a long time) Blazers and of the Suns who won all the games they have played in the Orlando I have to advance them both higher in the rankings.

    Therefore the (revised) NBA future power rankings (for the next decade) should now look like this:

    1. Boston Celtics: (Future potential:Bright)

    2. Milwaukee Bucks: (Future potential:Bright)

    3. Memphis Grizzlies: (Future potential: Bright)

    4. New Orleans Pelicans: (Future potential: Bright)

    5. Miami Heat: (Future potential: Bright)

    6. OKC Thunder: (Future potential: Great)

    7. Minnesota Timberwolves: (Future potential: Great)

    8. Charlotte Hornets: (Future potential: Great)

    9. Dallas Mavericks: (Future potential: Great)

    10. Toronto Raptors: (Future potential: Good)

    11. Golden State Warriors: (Future potential: Good)

    12. Utah Jazz: (Future potential Good)

    13. Atlanta Hawks: (Future potential: Good)

    14. Los Angeles Clippers: (Future potential: Promising)

    15. Brooklyn Nets: (Future potential: Promising)

    16. Indiana Pacers: (Future potential: Promising)

    17. Phoenix Suns: (Future potential: Promising):

    18. Portland Trail Blazers: (Future potential Promising)

    19. Detroit Pistons: (Future potential: Promising)

    20. Washington Wizards: (Future potential: Promising)

    21. The Chicago Bulls: (Future potential: Uncertain)

    22. The Orlando Magic: (Future potential: Uncertain)

    23. The Denver Nuggets: (Future potential: Uncertain)

    24. Cleveland Cavaliers: (Future potential: Uncertain)

    25. Sacramento Kings: (Future potential: Uncertain)

    26. Los Angeles Lakers: (Future potential: Uncertain)

    27. New York Knicks: (Future potential: Poor)

    28. Philadelphia 76ers: (Future potential: Poor)

    29. Houston Rockets: (Future potential: Bad)

    30. San Antonio Spurs: (Future potential:Bad)

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    As the 21 season progresses, some new evaluation become essential after the draft night and the summer trade period which followed it...

    1. The Boston Celtics: (Future potential: Bright)

    More than having secured building around an All-Star level young core, the Celtics have had three first round picks during the draft night and additionally, they were able to move Hayward's contract and therefore dramatically improve their financial situation. No doubt they can perform better and improve further than their current (stellar) status, for each and every season which will follow this.

    2. Miami Heat: (Future potential: Bright)

    Similar to the Celtics, the Heat are a desirable destination for FAs and players wanted to be traded and are run by one of the most experienced and capable F.O. as well as have one of the best coaching teams in the entire league... For the seasons which will follow, the team has secured the future services of Bam Adebayo and Tyller Hero, as well as added a stellar "big" on Precious Achiuawa during the draft night,,,, Yet, their financials remain stellar and they have a great selection of veterans to keep them right up to a contending level until their youth gradually takes over... They'll be targeting the top for many seasons to come...

    3.The Milwaukee Bucks: (Future potential: Bright)

    After failing to live up to the expectations during the previous season, the Bucks have ended up better and more experienced than ever before, yet by keeping their financials well under control and considerably improving the team's age average considerably. The addition of Jrue Holiday seems perfect next to Giannis and the two times All Star Khris Middleton, but additionally, Donte Divincenzo's development seems to be rapid and could end up of him developing to an extremely high level soon... Bobby Portis' game has been adapted perfectly into the Bucks system and his age as well as the presence of Giannis and Brook Lopez can surely help him taking the next level forward.

    All in all, with Holiday, Divincenzo, Middleton, Giannis and Portis, the Bucks have a rare combination of youth, skills, talent and experience for their long term starting roster, which depending on the development of the younger ones and the ability of the management to keep the team together can be a threat for any opponent in the league in both the present as well as for the long term future and provides security for the replacement of aging Brook Lopez and D.J Augustin... The roster depth is not as strong as it was in the recent past, but OTOH the financials leave enough room for this to be corrected too during the season especially in combination with the dead cap clearing soon and how fast the promising rookie Nwora will develop.

    4. Memphis Grizzlies: (Future potential: Bright)

    Practically a "copy" of the Bucks model, the Grizzlies don't have a player on Giannis' level, but like the Heat or the Celtics, have a young core on Mitchell and Jackson Jr. but a reliable "big" on Valanciounas too, all of which can make the difference in the upcoming years, as well as securing the team's longer term progressing...

    A legitimate force in the West coming up, the Grizzlies are all set to make an immediate impact after having landed what used to be the Bucks coaching assistant during the previous season, to be their head coaching team...

    5. Dallas Mavericks: (Future potential: Bright)

    By having achieved "the deal of the century" during the 1918 draft, which has allowed them to add one of the best talents that the game has ever seen on Luka Doncic, the Mavs have great financials and are carefully building around Luka by adding more talent for every next season... Given Doncic age, they look to be the longest lasting force in the West for the short and long term future.

    6. Utah Jazz: (Future potential: Great)

    The Jazz have great financials and the Stars a contending team needs still not having reached their peak... They are carefully (and perhaps more slowly than they should) adding valuable depth to their roster at reasonable cost and look to have established great future potential... They are clearly expected to be better for each and every season that follows...

    7. Charlotte Hornets: (Future potential: Great)

    The Hornets were expected to be one of the worst teams in the league during the 2019 off-season, but have proved themselves to be far from that...

    They have an exceptional talent in their roster on Devonte' Graham and by having added Rosier and added high potential P.J Washington and Monk as well as having Bridges taking the next step up, they've ended up being better than they ever were when Kemba was in their roster... Soon to be contending for the title as long as they can add a center that fits well with the rest of their youth talent after (just) missing the opportunity to draft Wiseman during the latest draft.

    8. New Orleans Pelicans: (Future potential: Great)

    Having ripped the Lakers off during the AD deal, the Pels are playing some of the most exciting to watch basketball in the league... Ingram and Ball have been taking the next step up and Zion is expected to soon join them into forming a "dreadful team"... They clearly have all the means to be contenders in the West for all the upcoming decade...

    B]9. OKC Thunder:[/B] (Future potential: Great)

    The Thunder have get out of the financial trouble they had and still have a core to keep them in the playoffs, but by having collected an army of picks and after having added the highly future promising S.G. Alexander, they look in a position to soon be back into contending...

    10. Minnesota Timberwolves: (Future potential: Good)

    KAT is a legitimate piece to built around and The Wolves seem to have left the Thibs/Butler issues behind them in disturbing the locker room and the F.O. of the team up and by having built a young and talented core around KAT and, are looking to be back soon.


    11. The Los Angeles Clippers: (Future potential: Good)

    Perhaps not as long future promising as the Mavs or the Jazz are in the West, the Clips have added in their roster two prime All Stars at the right age and have great financials to keep them and secure contending for the title in the long term, however they seem blocked by their own Stars to take the next step and have given their assets and picks away...

    12. The Washington Wizards: (Future potential: Good)

    The Wizards have replaced Wall with Westbrook and have their financials under control, they also have managed to resign Beal and have drafted the highly promising R,Hatchimura a season earlier, have managed to extend Bertans and secure his presence with the team. but also seem to have drafted very well on Advija this season... They clearly now seem capable to fight for a playoff seed and are expected to improve even more as their talented youth will progress and add experince.

    13. The Indiana Pacers: (Future potential: Good)

    Victor Olandipo has gone, but the Pacers were already a 5th seed team in the East without relying on his services... The addition of Lever surely makes them better and they seem to have drafted well on Bitadge. The financial are very good and the team's age average is one of the best in the league thus securing further improvement on the near future.

    14. The Denver Nuggets: (Future potential: Good)

    The Nuggets managed to make it on the Western finals during last postseason and have locked Murray next to Jokic for their future. Financials look great and secure an even better future.

    15. Atlanta Hawks: (Future potential: Good)

    The Hawks have added reliable veterans on Gallinari and Bogdan Bogdanovic next to their young talent with Trae Young being the prime piece and with Stellar financials are now expected to be back in the front count, but to rapidly strengthen up even more for the future.

    16. The Portland Trail Blazers: (Future potential: Good)

    Stellar financials and a generic young core full of talent secured for the future, ensure that there is a lot of room to improve further in the future for an already competitive team.

    17. Phoenix Suns: (Future potential: Good)

    The Suns had a stellar postseason and since then they've added CP3 and even more reliable veterans. Financials are great and therefore Phoenix has a great future ahead of it, despite the entire league strengthening up.

    18. Golden State Warriors: (Future potential: Promising)

    GSW has now spend a season wasted in order to take under control the financial and roster depth issues which have plagued the team during the previous season. However, the financials are back to be horrible and their stars are aging as well injuries on key players seem not to go away... It all depends on how good Wiseman will prove to be and if they can retain the roster intact given the huge financial pressure they are under.

    19. The Orlando Magic: (Future potential: Promising)

    There is talent on the Magic, but not enough to lift up from the lower playoff seeds, or contend anywhere in the near future... Fournier (their best scorer) is expiring this season and they don't have "hot" picks... Financials are not stellar either... The Magic seem able to retain what they've got, but unable to take the next step in the future.

    20. The Los Angeles Lakers: (Future potential: Promising)

    The Lakers have expelled all their near future picks and assets but Kuzma during the past three seasons in order to sign Lebron and add AD through a (forced) trade.

    Clearly a contending team for another season after winning the title a season earlier and adding Shroeder in order to fill their additional play-making needs and always useful Montezzi Harrell, they have Lebron on his (inevitable due to age) descent signed for this and the next season, but they've managed to improve considerably their age average, With no provision to make back for Lebron after this and the next season, they are clearly looking to enhance the team around AD via trades and through free agency for their future.

    21.The Chicago Bulls: (Future potential: Promising)

    There is talent and enough quality roster depth with the Bulls, but unless they find a real leader, they can do no better than some surprising wins when in their better day on the floor...

    22. Detroit Pistons: (Future potential: Questionable)

    The Pistons lost Christian Wood after loosing Drummond last season and given that Griffin was never the player to rely upon due to the multiple injuries he has suffered in his career, they now totally rely on the picks of this and the previous season to shine up. They've added some reliable veterans and have managed to retain Rose for another season, but unless the rookies step up, the stellar financials cannot ensure a stable future.

    23. The Toronto Raptors: (Future potential: Questionable).

    The Raptors have signed Van Vleet, Siakam and Anunoby on huge contracts in order to secure their presence with the team in the long term and will (obviously) built around them. Lowery is aging and expiring this season, and Ibaka with Gaspl departed to end their careers on other destinations. Whether the trio of youth can carry the team to its past glory at the future, remains to be seen, but the competition is growing stronger all the time and Siakam isn't Giannis, neither Anunoby is Middleton, nor Van Vleet is anywhere near to ever become Jrue Holliday....

    24. San Antonio Spurs: (Future potential: Questionable)

    Much like the Raptors before them, the Spurs have their key players expiring and aging and therefore the future of the team will highly depend on the ability of the talented but yet unproven to be able and compete against the best in the league youth.

    25. Cleveland Cavaliers: (Future potential: Questionable)

    It's being long before they've looked at a rookie as being the successor of Lebron, but it is what is happening in Cleveland with Okoro,,, It remains to be proven how good Okoro can be and how much the rest of the youth can step up so that the Cavs can hope at a meaningful future.

    26. New York Knicks: (Future potential: Questionable)

    With the Knicks the situation isn't much different than it is with the Cavs, there are high expectations on every new rookie enters the Madison court, so it is the case with Toppin. In any case, after so many high picks not working for the Knicks, they seem to be stabilizing the ship with coach Thibs on the wheel and based on RJ Barret and J. Randle to built around. There's still a long way to go,

    27. Philadelphia 76ers: (Future potential: Poor)

    It's now a new season after a most disappointing previous one for the Sixers. Financials still look terrible after they got rid of Hayward's insane contract mainly because the F.O had the "bright" idea to extend T.Harris on another insane (max) contract... As a consequence the team is (about) the same but minus Hayward and all the blame was loaded on the now departed coach... As of any meaningful roster addition, yeah... they've added Danny Green at his ...34th year of age! They really need good luck to be able and compete against the Nets now and the Celtics or the Bucks for the present and for the short and long term future.

    28. Sacramento Kings: (Future potential: Poor)

    The (Serbian) management departed and with it their best player on Bogdan Bogdanovic as well as they have Nemanja Bjelica packing out soon... What is left is talented but not on a level to built around a contending team. No light at the end of the tunnel either.

    29. Brooklyn Nets: (Future potential: Poor)

    The Nets have (by far) the worst financials in the league after having signed KD and Kyrie a season earlier and recently added Harden which turned them on the undeniable favorite to win it all this season. Yet, the financials are absolutely horrible and the chemistry unproven. They already lost two of their most promising for the future youngsters on Jarret Allen, Tawreen Prince and Charis Levert and will loose more of their talented youth in the near future. Clearly (like the Lakers before them) an attempt to buy a championship, rather than working and developing a team which would last at the top for many seasons to come, it remains to prove their present.


    30. The Houston Rockets: (Future potential: Poor)

    The car has crushed many times and it leads on multiple restorations one after the other. A proven policy to fail once more whith no light at the end of the tunnel.
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    30. Spurs ?

    comon men you obviuosly dont follow them.They doing rebuilding now and still and are fighting for playoofs playing their 2016-2020 first round drafters alot minutes.

    After 2020/2021 season all 4 spurs veterans (Derozan,Aldridge,Mills,Gay) contracts ends and roster will be 26 old and younger on current contracts .

    2016 Spurs drafted D.Murray and resign him to 4 new 4 year deal this seasons 16,2pts
    2017 drafted D. White and resign him to new 4 year contract. Is injured right now.
    2018 drafted L.Walker thats averages this season 14,1pts
    2019 drafted K.Johnson thats is balling and his very exiting player to watch averaging this season 13,5pts
    2020 drafted defensive wing D.Vasell and playing him 16min already in first year

    Resign young center J.Poeltl to new contract that spurs got from Leonard trade.

    Spurs very quietly rebuilded from drafts and playing those first rounders big minutes already this season and winning more than 50% of games.How exactly their future is dead last?

    I see very nice young group they drafted D.Murray,D.White,L.Walker,K.Johnson,D.Vasell and resigning center J.Poetle and lots of free salary cap space for signing decent players starting from 2021 summer.

    In deadline there is chances they will trade Derozan or Aldridge and get extra pick or younger player.

    I see way worse situations in some nba teams with way worse long term bad contracts. Spurs on bright future no doubt is in top 15 right now in my view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    30. Spurs ?

    comon men you obviuosly dont follow them.They doing rebuilding now and still and are fighting for playoofs playing their 2016-2020 first round drafters alot minutes.

    After 2020/2021 season all 4 spurs veterans (Derozan,Aldridge,Mills,Gay) contracts ends and roster will be 26 old and younger on current contracts .

    2016 Spurs drafted D.Murray and resign him to 4 new 4 year deal this seasons 16,2pts
    2017 drafted D. White and resign him to new 4 year contract. Is injured right now.
    2018 drafted L.Walker thats averages this season 14,1pts
    2019 drafted K.Johnson thats is balling and his very exiting player to watch averaging this season 13,5pts
    2020 drafted defensive wing D.Vasell and playing him 16min already in first year

    Resign young center J.Poeltl to new contract that spurs got from Leonard trade.

    Spurs very quietly rebuilded from drafts and playing those first rounders big minutes already this season and winning more than 50% of games.How exactly their future is dead last?

    I see very nice young group they drafted D.Murray,D.White,L.Walker,K.Johnson,D.Vasell and resigning center J.Poetle and lots of free salary cap space for signing decent players starting from 2021 summer.

    In deadline there is chances they will trade Derozan or Aldridge and get extra pick or younger player.

    I see way worse situations in some nba teams with way worse long term bad contracts. Spurs on bright future no doubt is in top 15 right now in my view.
    I've posted this by "copy pasting" an older one and didn't have the time to edit all changes, please be patient it will soon be as intended.
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    Wow, tried to go through these "Evaluations" and putting Denver at 20-21, behind the likes of Bulls etc. is just insane. Team that played in WC finals last season, team that has improved every year, team that has all core players, Jokic, Murray and Porter Jr. 25 and under as a team without talent. Jokic, who actually performs in the playoffs compared to Giannis" being called slow etc. Even though he is a consensus Top 10 player in the league, many ranking him in Top 5.

    Yeah, won't be trying to decypher this nonsense any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    Wow, tried to go through these "Evaluations" and putting Denver at 20-21, behind the likes of Bulls etc. is just insane. Team that played in WC finals last season, team that has improved every year, team that has all core players, Jokic, Murray and Porter Jr. 25 and under as a team without talent. Jokic, who actually performs in the playoffs compared to Giannis" being called slow etc. Even though he is a consensus Top 10 player in the league, many ranking him in Top 5.

    Yeah, won't be trying to decypher this nonsense any more.
    It's all an opinion of mine, which may differ from another and that's a purpose of a forum, to discuss the differences between opinions backed up with reasoning.

    In this case, where my opinion differs with yours, is on the quality of the young talents Denver has with respect to other teams... You brought up the Bucks by comparison, do you honestly think that the trio of the Denver stars you've mentioned is comperable with the Bucks "quattro" of Giannis, Middleton, J.Holiday and Divincenzo? If you do, I'm not...

    But I'll go further and bring the Grizzlies up by comparison... Do you think that Denver has more future with respect to their trio of youth of Jackson, Morant and Valanciounas? Also... did you check the financial condition and the future development of it between the two teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckalis View Post
    It's all an opinion of mine, which may differ from another and that's a purpose of a forum, to discuss the differences between opinions backed up with reasoning.

    In this case, where my opinion differs with yours, is on the quality of the young talents Denver has with respect to other teams... You brought up the Bucks by comparison, do you honestly think that the trio of the Denver stars you've mentioned is comperable with the Bucks "quattro" of Giannis, Middleton, J.Holiday and Divincenzo? If you do, I'm not...

    But I'll go further and bring the Grizzlies up by comparison... Do you think that Denver has more future with respect to their trio of youth of Jackson, Morant and Valanciounas? Also... did you check the financial condition and the future development of it between the two teams?
    Easily. Middleton is already playing at his prime level and nowhere to go. He is a guy that becomes an average starter in the playoffs, proven year after year. Giannis goes from MVP-caliber to basic all-star in playoffs as well. Both Jokic and Murray elevate their game in the playoffs. Jrue Holiday is a veteran that has nowhere to go in terms of improvement. He is a solid defensive guard. DiVinzenzo? Are you kidding me? Dude is a 10ppt BORDERLINE starter. On the other hand, Porter Jr. is an injury prone supertalent that would've been a No. 1 pick absent from his injury history. He kicked off the 20/21 season with a bang. Your upside is purely based on expecting Giannis to take a giant leap in the playoffs (nothing has changed, he still can't shoot so he won't) and guys like Middleton to be something they cannot. At the same time you are dicking on a team with 3 legit core players all 25 and under with room to grow, and they have already shown more in terms of championship aspirations compared to the Bucks.

    The whole point was, not even about the Bucks, but the fact that you ranked Denver 20th and lower ALL LAST YEAR! You have given them a bump to 14 this year based on Murray signing an extension, which we knew he will do. You are making a list of future power potential and ranking teams full of veterans with no room to grow ahead of teams loaded with Talent. Miami No. 2? They have Adebayo an all-star caliber players and guys like Herro and Robinson who are complimentary pieces with no room for growth to superstar level. Citing cap space is also ridiculous, because you have no idea who will they sign. CHA and Devonte Graham and Rosier and Ball vs Jokic/Murray/Porter LOL. Jazz with Mitchell and complimentary pieces, most of them in prime or past their prime. Gobert is not a supermax player. Wizards with Westbrook and Beal? Beal is a goner from WAS, maybe even mid season. Avdija is completely unproven and Bertans is a complimentary piece, not a core player.

    I do believe it is insulting to put Pelicans and Grizzlies ahead as well. Both are loaded with young talent that needs to make the playoffs and actually do something there to be put ahead. Morant is a great talent, Jackson Jr. can't stay healthy he is yet to play this year and has missed 50 games in 2 years in the league, Valanciunas is in prime years but his development peaked few years back and the game has evolved past him. Zion Williamson has to demonstrate that he can stay healthy as well. He is overweight, missed a bunch of games last year and he is not showing a massive improvement in year 2. Ingram is the one making the jump actually, yet he remains inefficient scorer for that superstar level. These teams need a few seasons of constant development to get where Denver is in terms of core players.

    We can disagree on things that are touch and go, players that are nearly equal and stuff like that. But not on just blatant butchery of skills and prospects. I just find the bias against Denver insane on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    Easily. Middleton is already playing at his prime level and nowhere to go. He is a guy that becomes an average starter in the playoffs, proven year after year. Giannis goes from MVP-caliber to basic all-star in playoffs as well. Both Jokic and Murray elevate their game in the playoffs. Jrue Holiday is a veteran that has nowhere to go in terms of improvement. He is a solid defensive guard. DiVinzenzo? Are you kidding me? Dude is a 10ppt BORDERLINE starter. On the other hand, Porter Jr. is an injury prone supertalent that would've been a No. 1 pick absent from his injury history. He kicked off the 20/21 season with a bang. Your upside is purely based on expecting Giannis to take a giant leap in the playoffs (nothing has changed, he still can't shoot so he won't) and guys like Middleton to be something they cannot. At the same time you are dicking on a team with 3 legit core players all 25 and under with room to grow, and they have already shown more in terms of championship aspirations compared to the Bucks.

    The whole point was, not even about the Bucks, but the fact that you ranked Denver 20th and lower ALL LAST YEAR! You have given them a bump to 14 this year based on Murray signing an extension, which we knew he will do. You are making a list of future power potential and ranking teams full of veterans with no room to grow ahead of teams loaded with Talent. Miami No. 2? They have Adebayo an all-star caliber players and guys like Herro and Robinson who are complimentary pieces with no room for growth to superstar level. Citing cap space is also ridiculous, because you have no idea who will they sign. CHA and Devonte Graham and Rosier and Ball vs Jokic/Murray/Porter LOL. Jazz with Mitchell and complimentary pieces, most of them in prime or past their prime. Gobert is not a supermax player. Wizards with Westbrook and Beal? Beal is a goner from WAS, maybe even mid season. Avdija is completely unproven and Bertans is a complimentary piece, not a core player.

    I do believe it is insulting to put Pelicans and Grizzlies ahead as well. Both are loaded with young talent that needs to make the playoffs and actually do something there to be put ahead. Morant is a great talent, Jackson Jr. can't stay healthy he is yet to play this year and has missed 50 games in 2 years in the league, Valanciunas is in prime years but his development peaked few years back and the game has evolved past him. Zion Williamson has to demonstrate that he can stay healthy as well. He is overweight, missed a bunch of games last year and he is not showing a massive improvement in year 2. Ingram is the one making the jump actually, yet he remains inefficient scorer for that superstar level. These teams need a few seasons of constant development to get where Denver is in terms of core players.

    We can disagree on things that are touch and go, players that are nearly equal and stuff like that. But not on just blatant butchery of skills and prospects. I just find the bias against Denver insane on the list.
    I assure you there is no bias of mine against Denver... It's just a difference on opinion between me and you on how we both value players. From that POV I fully and totally respect your opinion, but this doesn't mean I have to agree... imo, there is surely talent in Denver, but nowhere near enough for them to become contenders... IMO Jockic (Denver's no1 player) does have extreme basketball skills which may equal the league's top-20, but is too static and slow to ever become a superstar or carry Denver to the top, in all honesty, I would take (primarily) Vucevic, or (secondly) Valanciounas to have in my team next to Giannis.

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    Meaning that you would take Valanciunas as non ball-dominant player in front of Jokic who needs ball in his hands to pair with Giannis doesn't make Jonas necessarily better. Pairing Giannis with Vucevic is de facto the same like pairing him with Jokic, maybe little less. Generally this perception that Jokic is slow, weak, bad defender has been totally dismantled in last years playoffs. The issue with Denver isn't even their first 5 but their bench that really is a lot weaker than last year. Green, as I personally expected, is a player that could interestingly fill up in the spot of Grant, differently but still. I watched some Denver games this year and all I can say is that he looks better than ever. And I am pretty sure his performances will rise as playoffs come nearer. Core of Murray - Jokic - MPJ is a core to build around, next year when Harris' contract runs out Denver has some options to go for a shooter at SG which is besides wing-defense their key problem.

    I am curious about Giannis playoff performance this year. As far as I have seen so far his shot still is struggling and this will be the KO factor for him and the Bucks in the upcoming playoff periods. A lot of burden on his shoulders. Personally I think he has a lot of upside in that direction but I wouldn't bet my house on it. Totally open. I remember when you've posted that Giannis would carry Denver in the series against the Lakers. I asked myself why he didn't do it at Bucks vs. Miami that have nominally a team that is nothing worse if not even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Meaning that you would take Valanciunas as non ball-dominant player in front of Jokic who needs ball in his hands to pair with Giannis doesn't make Jonas necessarily better. Pairing Giannis with Vucevic is de facto the same like pairing him with Jokic, maybe little less. Generally this perception that Jokic is slow, weak, bad defender has been totally dismantled in last years playoffs. The issue with Denver isn't even their first 5 but their bench that really is a lot weaker than last year. Green, as I personally expected, is a player that could interestingly fill up in the spot of Grant, differently but still. I watched some Denver games this year and all I can say is that he looks better than ever. And I am pretty sure his performances will rise as playoffs come nearer. Core of Murray - Jokic - MPJ is a core to build around, next year when Harris' contract runs out Denver has some options to go for a shooter at SG which is besides wing-defense their key problem.

    I am curious about Giannis playoff performance this year. As far as I have seen so far his shot still is struggling and this will be the KO factor for him and the Bucks in the upcoming playoff periods. A lot of burden on his shoulders. Personally I think he has a lot of upside in that direction but I wouldn't bet my house on it. Totally open. I remember when you've posted that Giannis would carry Denver in the series against the Lakers. I asked myself why he didn't do it at Bucks vs. Miami that have nominally a team that is nothing worse if not even better.
    All I'm saying, is that IMO Denver doesn't have enough fire power to be contenders and given that they are doing well during the regular season, they won't be able to "draft high" in order to improve... Their financial position doesn't permit for them to make an impactful move either... Therefore I can't see them having the potential of other teams and be able and contend in the future.

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    Lol Denver not enough fire power hahaahahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Lol Denver not enough fire power hahaahahah
    You must learn to read in English a statement in it's actual meaning... "Not enough power to contend (for a title)" isn't the same as "not enough power"...

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    Thank you so much for sharing what you know about the NBA teams. Actually, what you “know” about them is an understatement. Looking at your content and going over through your used words and phrases, I can sense that you have invested a lot of time (perhaps money as well? for watching the games live). Back to the topic, I agree with some of your rankings and description. But like your talent in writing and as a basketball analyst, I think you underestimate the potential of the Toronto raptors. As for me and my family (we are not canadians, i promise ha ha ha) we believe that their progressing and adapting gameplays concur with the likes of Boston Celtics and Lakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YixingLao View Post
    Thank you so much for sharing what you know about the NBA teams. Actually, what you “know” about them is an understatement. Looking at your content and going over through your used words and phrases, I can sense that you have invested a lot of time (perhaps money as well? for watching the games live). Back to the topic, I agree with some of your rankings and description. But like your talent in writing and as a basketball analyst, I think you underestimate the potential of the Toronto raptors. As for me and my family (we are not canadians, i promise ha ha ha) we believe that their progressing and adapting gameplays concur with the likes of Boston Celtics and Lakers.
    My (near) future potential rankings are based on the current assessment of the factors which may influence the "next day" for a team... These factors are: 1. The presence of young talent 2. The financial status of a team in order to be able and upgrade the competing ability of its roster. 3.The picks they have in stock. It totally ignores the presence of all stars of which the career is nearing to an end in the roster because (obviously) their presence can only affect the team's present, but not its future...

    As far as the Raptors are concerned, my opinion for them is taking into account their spectacular financial condition, but since out of their current roster it's only Pascal Siacam who excels (Lowry's career is approaching an end) and then the better youngsters on Anunoby and Van Vleet clearly are a step behind and certainly not up to the level of some other teams quality of young stars. Therefore, I don't see how they can be able and become a contending team unless there is another youngster next to Siakam that shines out... If there is another one shining out however, I will upgrade their ranking as with all teams.

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    The second season of the decade is on its final countdown and it much reveals the directions each team is heading at, therefore a mid-season revision taking into account the updates for each team seems appropriate.

    FUTURE POWER RANKINGS (mid season revision)

    30. The Houston Rockets: (Future potential: Poor)

    The car has crushed many times and it leads on multiple restorations one after the other. A proven policy to fail once more with no light at the end of the tunnel. The Rockets are on a rebuilt which ...hasn't even started yet and are poor on future picks too.

    29. Detroit Pistons: (Future potential: Questionable)

    The Pistons have now only Sekou Doumbouya (their last season's 1st pick) common in their roster with the previous season and Sekou seems not to live up to the expectations which were addressed on him... Therefore it's this year's draft on Saddiq Bey they now rely upon to built around and then on the proven talent (and still young) Jerami Grant, who despite his talent doesn't show the potential to advance his game on the superstar level other teams have... Still a very long way to go for this rebuilt to start showing a clear direction, the Pistons are clearly out of the picture for many years which will follow.

    28. Brooklyn Nets: (Future potential: Poor)

    The Nets will have to spend some 300M per season in salaries and taxation over this and the following three seasons, which leads to (by far) the most expensive team in the basketball history. After these three seasons, an attempt to retain the roster intact would advance the annual cost to more than 500M per season *the repeaters tax kicking in after three continuous seasons paying the lux tax... Clearly, anything but a failure to win three consecutive NBA titles will be considered as a failure. It is clearly an attempt to buy the NBA title for some seasons, but Durant doesn't seem have fully overcome his injury and the team without him on the roster, much reminds of the what the Rockets were two seasons ago with Harden and CP3 playing together... Further more, the competition is guaranteed to progress their rosters further during the following seasons which makes the Nets look more vulnerable than they seem to be on paper, especially after this season.In any case, there is no future to the Nets after this and another two seasons and certainly not a long term one.

    27. Sacramento Kings: (Future potential: Poor)

    The (Serbian) management departed and with it their best player on Bogdan Bogdanovic as well as they have Nemanja Bjelica packing out soon... What is left is talented but not on a level to built around a contending team. No light at the end of the tunnel either while the competition is continuously progressing.

    26. The Orlando Magic: (Future potential: Poor)

    Despite having an all-star level leader on Voucevic, the Magic are continuously weakening while the competition is advancing all the time. Bamba has never worked for them and the financials aren't stellar either to permit the necessary additions needed. The team is clearly out of the picture for the foreseeable future.

    25. Philadelphia 76ers: (Future potential: Poor)

    Now on a new season after a most disappointing previous one for the Sixers. Financials still look terrible after they got rid of Hayward's insane contract mainly because the F.O had the "bright" idea to extend T.Harris on another insane (max) contract... As a consequence the team is (about) the same but minus Hayward and all the blame was loaded on the now departed coach... As of any meaningful roster addition, yeah... they've added Danny Green at his ...34th year of age! They really need good luck to be able and compete against the Nets now and the Celtics, the Bucks or the Heat for the present and for the short and long term future.

    24. The Indiana Pacers: (Future potential: Questionable)

    Clearly the biggest surprise of this season and the biggest downgrade in this list, the Pacers seem to be all over the place and certainly not in a position to challenge anymore the contenders of the league... Olandipo has gone and despite the talent on the roster, there seems to be no leader able to lead the team towards success in a fast advancing environment.


    23. The Toronto Raptors: (Future potential: Questionable).

    The Raptors have signed Van Vleet, Siakam and Anunoby on huge contracts in order to secure their presence with the team in the long term and will (obviously) built around them. Lowery is aging and expiring this season, and Ibaka with Gaspl departed to end their careers on other destinations. Whether the trio of youth can carry the team to its past glory at the future remains to be seen, but the competition is growing stronger all the time and Siakam isn't Giannis, neither Anunoby is Middleton, nor Van Vleet is anywhere near to ever become Jrue Holliday....

    22. The Los Angeles Lakers: (Future potential: Questionable)

    The Lakers have expelled all their near future picks and assets but Kuzma during the past three seasons in order to sign Lebron and add AD through a (forced) trade.

    Clearly a contending team for another season after winning the title a season earlier and adding Shroeder in order to fill their additional play-making needs and always useful Montezzi Harrell, they have Lebron on his (inevitable due to age) descent signed for this and the next season, but they've managed to improve considerably their age average, With no provision to make back for Lebron after this and the next season, they are clearly looking to enhance the team around AD via trades and through free agency for their future.

    21. The Los Angeles Clippers: (Future potential: Questionable)

    All of the sudden, the Clippers seem to need more to add in order to keep up with the continuously advancing competition... Financials are good, but there is shortage on picks and the ideal fits next to Leonard and George seem to be locked on other teams.

    20. Minnesota Timberwolves: (Future potential: Questionable)

    The Wolves looked very promising during the summer by having added Russell and having the 1st pick, but neither Russell nor the pick (on Edwards) are living up to the expectations on which the fans where based to rave upon... There is certainly some (overvalued?) talent on the roster, but OTOH, it also seems that contending is a dream unless they can find a leader to accelerate things.

    19.The Chicago Bulls: (Future potential: Questionable)

    There is talent and enough quality roster depth with the Bulls, but unless they find a real leader, they can do no better than some surprising wins when in their better day on the floor... They've of course added Vucevic this season, who may turn them into a playoff team, but Vooch doesn't co-line with their time table since their core roster is young and of course, he is enough to turn them into contenders.

    18. San Antonio Spurs: (Future potential: Questionable)

    Much the same as the rest of the "questionable future" teams, the Spurs have invested on a lots of young talent, but still luck the leader to turn the team into contenders for the title.

    17. New York Knicks: (Future potential: Questionable)

    16. The Denver Nuggets: (Future potential: Promising)

    The addition of (still young) Aaron Gordon before the recent trade deadline, makes of course the Nuggets even better that what they already are, but there is more needed if they are to contend for the title.

    15. Golden State Warriors: (Future potential: Promising)

    The Warriors are in terrible financial condition and their traditional team leaders are aging but Curry is expiring too... Still, they will have another top draft pick next season and if they can retain Curry, if age won't affect him, if they stay healthy and if (promising) Wiseman takes the next step and becomes a player able to contribute up to the "Warriors standards", they can soon be back into contending... But there are perhaps too many "ifs" involved... We'll see.

    14. Dallas Mavericks: (Future potential: Promising)

    It comes as a surprise that The Mavs are struggling for a low playoff seed this season, but the league's average level has been raised significantly and it now clearly shows that the Doncic/Porzingis combination isn't enough for the Mavs to be able and contend for the title... Are they talented? Of course they are! Are they exciting to watch playing? For sure they are, but not as consistent as with other teams. In any case they need to surround their core duo with more power and contract renewals are approaching.

    13. New Orleans Pelicans: (Future potential: Promising)

    The Pels are worst that a season before? It surely seems to be the case! Zion seems to have a slower than expected progress and the rest of their youngsters seem stable if not with a declining performance than before... Of course they lost Jrue Holliday to the Bucks too...

    12. OKC Thunder: (Future potential: Promising)

    It's a mystery why the Thunder have left all their star veterans depart while there was no financial need to do so... Still, this is the "richest" team in the league on future draft picks and they have drafted well to supplement SGA too... Financials are excellent, but why start from scratch when they could keep investing in their future while keeping the competitive team they had at the same time?

    11. The Washington Wizards: (Future potential: Good)

    The Wizards, to many surprise aren't doing well although their veterans talent is top notch and Hatchimura seems able to shine out in the near future... They will surely be better soon, but they should be doing better than what they are already.

    10. Phoenix Suns: (Future potential: Good)

    The Suns have added CP3 and have spend years in building a young and talented roster, but CP3 certainly doesn't fit their timetable and therefore the move is questionable from many views... They aren't on a contending level with CP3, so what after CP3? Surely the rest of the team will continue to advance and surely they have the financials to make valuable additions, but can they find a CP3 level replacement to take over when the time comes?

    9. Cleveland Cavaliers: (Future potential:Good)

    One of the largest surprises of the season, the CAVs have drafted extremely well on Okoro after adding guards Sexton and Garland the previous two and are building around them. Already a playoffs caliber team, they see on Okoro potential similar to LBJ and financials are great in order to add more during the seasons which will follow... The Cavs can only go up from here.

    8. Atlanta Hawks: (Future potential: Good)

    The Hawks were expected to come back in the playoffs this season and do have the leader others are lucking on Trae Young, they of course need another player to step up and assist Young on leading the team and financials are great but thet additionally have the assets to make an impactful addition soon which would help them to advance on to be a contending team.

    7. The Portland Trail Blazers: (Future potential: Great)

    The Blazers have been through a lot these couple of past seasons, but Nurkic looks good now, they've locked Lillard and McCollum in the long term and financials are great, only another solid addition is needed to take the next step.

    6. Memphis Grizzlies: (Future potential: Great)

    Along with the Hornets in the East which follow in this list, the Grizzlies have the youngest and arguably most talented for the age core in the entire league, financials are great until the extensions will kick in and the team can only be better by the time, it's on;y a top player that is missing to turn them into contenders.

    5. Charlotte Hornets: (Future potential: Great)

    The Hornets have traded Kemba and everybody thought of them as being "dead"... Yet, their youngsters all look capable to step up their game into star level and then, they are not one or two or three... Can the young core advance soon, or will another addition be needed? Future will soon tell, but the financials are there even a top addition will be required for them to be able and contend.

    4. Utah Jazz: (Future potential: Bright)

    Bojan Bogdanovic is perhaps the most underestimated all star level player in the league and has proved it on the court with the Pacers already before joining the Jazz... The Jazz missed Bojan's presence during the playoffs last season, but if they can stay healthy, he will join Mitchell and Gobert this season... Financials are great and the Jazz are already contenders...

    3. The Boston Celtics: (Future potential: Bright)

    Kemba, Tatum & Brown are all young and they are "the core" all locked on long term contracts, the team is among the most attractive destinations and financials are great after trading Hayward. as well as they are full of assets and picks to use... No doubt the Cs will be present in contending despite the (financial) breather they took this season.

    2. Miami Heat: (Future potential: Bright)

    The Heat continue to built around Adebayo and Herro their future, while trying to take advantage of their veterans at the same time... Financials permit adding released free agents which the Heat take advantage of and by using them make runs in the playoffs... The policy is a proven one and it will continue until both under rookie contract Herro & Adebayo kick into regular contracts and therefore make the financials tighter... Butler is of course there to assist the development of the young core but the financials permit the addition of a 2nd Top-20 at anytime. Coaching and mangment are among the top in the world if not the best and the team is among the most desirable destinations for players... They are back!

    1.The Milwaukee Bucks: (Future potential: Bright)

    The Bucks are in the the most important season for their future and they already have achieved 99% of the tasks... Giannis, Middleton, Holiday amd Divincenzo locked for many-many years to come and all is missing is the 5th piece on the starting roster which the Bucks have an advantage of on keeping Portis,,, By definition a contending roster, in which other than having the best player of the game in the world on Giannis, it also has two top-20 players on Middleton and J. Holiday, but young Divincenzo and Portis developing to soon become all-star level players too...

    Financials are exceptional all due to the P.J.Tucker trade, which permits the Bucks to stay under the lux tax for this season and then go deep into the luxury tax for the three continuous seasons which will follow... Make no mistake... the Bucks will have a run this season with what they have, but they'll be the favorites to win it all for three continuous seasons which will follow and then, after that, 80% of the current roster will still be available... They will no doubt last be contending for a title for at least as long as Giannis carrer will end... How many titles are landing in Milwaukee for the following ...duzine(!!!) of seasons (before Giannis career comes to an end) remains to be seen, but it surely can be many... Splendid job from the F.O. of keeping the financials well under control and hit at the right moment not for one and done, but for a long term sustainable contending team. A world example!
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    Now that the playoffs have progressed to the final stage, it is clear that a new revision should be in due...

    1. If anything, there seems to be a misjudgment of mine on the Sixers based on their financial status... The Sixers are "hard capped" for this season, but they do clear cap space this summer with Danny Green's contract expiring and if they will deny George Hill's T.O. and therefore their financials improve considerably and will be able to continue contending in the East... I believe a rise to the 12th spot dropping OKC to 13th should be justifiable,

    2, The Hawks were clearly the surprise of the season, but more than that, they have plenty of cap space to keep improving the roster significantly... Therefore a rise at the 5th place of the power rankings is justifiable.

    3, A further rise of the Suns to pass the Cavs, the Blazers. the Hornets and the Grizzlies for the 6th place is also justifiable after they seem able to win the West or at least contend in it against the traditional forces even without CP3 leading them.

    Clearly the West is weakening and the East seems to have the clear advantage at present and for the near future.

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    Default Front Office Actions which should be expected for Nets, Warriors, Sixers....

    1. Golden State may be forced to part with Curry

    The Warriors have been over the lux tax threshold for three out of their later four seasons, if they are over the lux tax threshold for another season, they become repeaters tax eligible and the tax which they'll have to pay will be enormous! They are already committed for 168M of salaries for the next season and have two hi picks to add which by adding the salaries on their current payroll would mean ending more than 40M over the lux tax threshold, which would then mean paying another 150M on top in taxation!

    Furthermore, the taxation will continue over to the seasons which will follow, raising the financial loss for the Warriors to mythical amounts of money. Of course, the Warriors would prefer to dumb the salaries of other players and keep Curry instead, but the only others which are on significant size contracts which if dumped would turn the payroll to "manageable" are Thompson Wiggins and Green and of course, Wiggins seems to be part of the future plans given his age, Thompson's contract is extremely difficult to move given it's time length in combination with the medical history and Green's contract seems equally difficult to move given his age.

    Therefore I would give this 80% chances to happen.

    2. Sixers putting Ben Simmons on the trade market is highly rumored and makes sense

    The Sixers are above the lux tax threshold, but their financials improve greatly for the next season, however Simmons occupies a vast amount of their payroll and the team seems to not function properly with him... Finding a customer willing to take his contract shouldn't be an easy task given the contract's length, but It won't surprise me if the Sixers are prepared to "sweeten it" in order to move it... I would give this 95% chances to happen.

    3. Nets will have to part with Dinwiddie and Griffin, may additionally have to trade one out of their "big 3"

    Like the Warriors, the Nets are in a terrible financial status, but still a couple of seasons away from becoming "repeaters tax eligible". However, Griffin will be a free agent this off season and Dinwiddie is expected to decline his P.O. I doubt that Griffin will accept a minimum contract and stay with the team, since he surely will be able to find much better elsewhere and the Nets shouldn't be unhappy if Dinwiddie's salary is removed from the books... I would give this 95% to happen...

    Moving one out of the "big 3" contracts and therefore turn the payroll to "manageble" also makes sense for a team which was eliminated in only the 2nd round of the playoffs, however I would only give this 35% to happen because the front office knows that the competition will be tougher next season and therefore weakening the roster further after Griffin's departure, will mean much lower ability to give it another go in contention... It's therefore more probable that they'll pay another 30M or so in taxation and will risk another fiasco happening.
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    On a most surprising move, Stevens after retiring his coaching duties and taking over the wheel of the Celtics from the GM's position, he acquired Al Horford along with rookie Moses Brown back to the Celtics and in return he parted with this season's No16 pick, a 2025 2nd round pick and of course... Kemba Walker!

    The move looks rather head scratching for the Celtics in all other than creating some cap space for the Cs to use on other moves... Therefore the Cs will be downgraded in the power ranking revision, while the OKC Thunder will move up by a couple or three spots given the talent and the age of Kemba next to SGA, and rookies Pokusevski and Jerome.

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