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  • #31
    Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
    Saying that Jokubaitis was chosen over Kalnietis is just stupid.Jokubaitis is taken as youngster not main rotation player and earns like 10 times less.Jokubaitis don't even play in euroleague even when situation with Pg is horrible.Why? Because not ready.
    That's not the point. The point is - why Jokubaitis and not Kalnietis is in Zalgiris. Jokubaitis is in Zalgiris puzzle, Kalnietis is not, however you look at it. And it's a good example how clubs construct their plan, their long term vision. You split with some solid vets who would make absolute sense in the first sense, but not when you dig deeper. Kalnietis generally is not even a good fit for Zalgiris. He's poor defender in his position and he's not good with strict role, and essentially needs a lot of freedom as PG to get the best of him.

    Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
    One month's in NT can't do miracles compared to 8 months in club.If player is true deal he will show that in clubs.

    NT is men team for winning not youngsters growing farm.
    It means a lot, man. It's one thing to be in the club and to be among best talents of the country. Even to be in the camp alone, means a lot. Any players who goes through it, will be much more ready next time.

    It's not the farm, but you should be very sharp-sighted towards chances to improve your talent. If there's windows where you can throw some young standouts, I much rahter do that, than don't.


    Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
    Two bad tournaments doesn't mean we have blow out everything of 27 years of building winning culture of our NT.It works how we did over the years, we just need to be patience and stay with it not just go young and tank like some NBA team for 4 years until those youngster will mature.

    No thank you.I don't wanna see 3-4 years of tanking and ale growing for the future and like 7 times of 10 that's leads to nothing...and that's in clubs where you can teach them 8-9 months...what you can achieve in 1,5 months per year teaching them.?
    Three bad tournaments. 2016, 2017, 2019.

    No-one ever talking about tanking. Some youngsters are essentially at the same level as some veterans. Tell me the essential difference between Sirvydis, Giedraitis and Juskevicius, Gailius? They all would be completely irrelevant in the knock out stage of real tournament. What it has to do with tanking? When you ride complete mediocre veteran at the end of the bench is aiming for awards, and when you do it with (more or less) the same level youngster, is tanking? My point is, let's give 12th spot for talented youngster, not mediocre veteran, unless he fills very particular need. If not, let's go with talent.

    F.e. Remember Gailius in 2015. The guy was no specialist of anything. Not a good defender, not a good system player, inconsistent shooter, ect. Maybe he brings energy from the bench, let's say. He showed up in three games, basically playing meaningful minutes only against Latvia. So that's 27yo snatches a spot and basically sits out all tournament. Now imagine we had current Sirvydis in 2015. Who would you choose to run those more or less meaningful minutes, like 30 minutes in entire tournament, Gailius or Sirvydis? The mediocre veteran, or the guy who has an upside to become one of the keys in the near future? I take Sirvydis and I wouldn't tank at all.

    The different case was with 27 R.Giedraitis and Butkevicius in 2019. Both were specialists and their role was clear. One was shooter and scorer, and we badly missed shooting, and Butkevicius was a defensive bulldog for short stretches, who can guard big guards. It make sense.

    It's not about necessary pushing youngsters, it's about knowing all your options and being completely sharp-sighted and flexible while building a TEAM, including the projections about the long term success. Big wins doesn't come from no-where, you also have to work towards those. Remember Kazlauskas words "we had to go through lot off losses, till Jasikevicius became Jasikevicius". Saras wasn't the guy who played consistently and spot on from the day one. He had to go through his mistakes in NT exactly, but it was clear he's a gem and he had to be in the NT. Nobody complained when we snatched a bronze in 2000 OG or champs title in Sweden.
    Last edited by Straight forward; 01-24-2020, 03:53 PM.
    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
    Buzelis, Lelevicius
    Murauskas, Sirvydis
    Tubelis, Krivas

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
      Mindozas, don't be such a baby. Tell us how good that freakin' Pazdrazdis was, or it's another information that you are aware of, but can't share with us? I told you openly I have no clue how good he was, what was his numbers, his club, ect. I thought he was coming from NCAA to 1992 OT.
      Damn... "a baby", I don't want to be a baby, then you might add me to your wishlist to NT... Regarding Pazdrazdis, it's just a proof that you didn't read what was written at all, you are blinded by your ideas. So what's the point? I've wrote probably twice where he played and how he did, why it's not the right example - you missed it, wonder why, maybe cause it didnt suit your position? Don't know.

      Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
      As for Karnisovas, I said he was just talented, and I would repeat that even now, I didn't change anything, by that I meant he still played in NCAA, he wasn't some PRO league stud. I meant that exactly, in the context, that people here always emphasize that NT player should already have the status in PRO team to have a shot to make to NT.
      You not only missed what I was writing, but you are so messed up in your own theories, that you got lost in yours. You just wrote that Karnisovas was that good that he would be the best perimeter player now, better than Grigonis. It sounds way more than just talented. But I'm sure you will find a new angle to prove that I missed the point, so whatever

      Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
      Yeah, that's where we stop, because it's a blur of emotions and zero arguments If you involve with me into discussion, be prepared to go deep into precise conversation. If you can't even read the post and getting frustrated, you're really not into position to go into deep BB or any other verbal conversations. Dealing with misconceptions is a part of discussions, and there's 50 shades of argument's angles. And that's OK, not everybody does. But better use contra-arguments instead of writing long stretches about how badly you felt reading this or that, it sound like winning.
      Winning? Winning like what? Internet? And you are calling me "a baby" It was not a discussion, not a conversation, cause you didn't read or missed most of the thing I've written with all the arguments and exactly cause of your emotions, not mine, and I had to repeat myself over and over again, and you still don't know what I was writing about, so I just stopped. It was you monologue filled with wishful thinking without any background. Like everytime you talk about youngsters. I've had every contra-argument against any sane thought of you, but I can't have anything against dreams and wishful thinking. You can put in your dream roster anyone you want and imagine how good he would be, I'll just skip it for the future
      You might not have problems to admit you were wrong on some occasions, that's true, but you have problems with that when it comes to some topics like youngsters, like LKF or like some players you like/dislike. At times you see too much of only black and white, the player you got hyped about becomes soooo good, then the player you dislike becomes almost a trash. The more you write about it - the more you convince yourself in that and here comes the problems.
      Don't get me wrong, I respect you as a poster and contributor here, we agreed/disagreed on many things during the years, you share some interesting thoughts, interesting insights about a young players, but there are really some topics you should be more objective about, not black/white like. I'm aware that you probably will say you are, but that's just how it looks from the side

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      • #33
        Fair enough, Mindozas.
        LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

        Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
        Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
        Buzelis, Lelevicius
        Murauskas, Sirvydis
        Tubelis, Krivas

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        • #34
          14 man squad for the first window:

          Guards: Kalnietis, Janavičius, Jokubaitis, Dimša, Valinskas

          Forwards: Gailius, Butkevičius, Kuzminskas, Bendžius, Masiulis, Mačiulis

          Centers: Motiejūnas, Sajus, Kairys


          It's good to see Jokubaitis here. Even though, he started to actually contribute to Žalgiris games, but this is still a really great opportunity for him. I really hope, that he gets the 2nd PG role, not the 3rd.

          Valinskas.. I don't really know. Juškevičius would have been a safer option for me, but well whatever, let's just hope he won't lose his head, like he always does.

          Gailius. You guys already know.

          Motiejūnas. Will be really interesting to see him in Europe. Even against a team like Belgium it will be much more interesting and reliable material than China's league.



          Predicted line up:

          Kalnietis, Jokubaitis, Janavičius
          Dimša, Valinskas
          Kuzminskas, Butkevičius, Gailius
          Mačiulis, Bendžius, Masiulis
          Motiejūnas, Kairys, Sajus



          EDIT: Juškevičius refused the offer because of personal reasons. Those reasons were not explained. It seems like Adas retired from national team for ever by his own decision. Looks like Juškevičius is tired of always (most of the time) being the 13th player.. Coach really wanted to see Adas in the team.

          Jokubaitis case will be finally decided after Žalgiris game @Baskonia.
          Last edited by ZaliaBalta; 02-10-2020, 10:34 AM.

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          • #35
            Juskevicius decline was unexpected a bi, but afterall he is already 31yo and always was on a verge of making it or not to final roster of big tournaments, next summer would be the same, with more chances to be left aside, however got lucky lot of times in the past, so that would be a bit lame excuse to be pissed about that. Probably NT is not a priority now - family is, last chance to get more money from club career and etc. I guess Parma also advised not to go, the same way they did with Maksvytis

            Other than that, no big susprises. Masiulis was picked over Kulboka probably, as a player who can play at C too. Janavicius over Bickauskis. Valinskas became a lucky one cause of Adas situation. Gailius will probably be used at SG more, not SF. Like he is in Neptunas. The rest as it was predicted before and explained now by coach - more veterans and less youngsters are there cause of upcoming OQT, they will need to adjust to new coach/tactics

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            • #36
              I don't like Sajus in the squad, some Birutis is imo a better player and he is good in Prienai, but whatever.

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              • #37
                Last summer when Adas was cut basically first after very good EuroBasket 2017 performance for our b level guard standards most likely it's was enough for him.Alot of people was suprised by that Adomaitis desicion to cut him so early,most likely Juskevicius felt disrespected, he is not some youngster anymore to be treated like that .I understand him,but truly his chances making main olympic team was slim.Milaknis have seriuos advantage over him because of zalgiris system.

                Nice to hear about Kuzminskas playing position and that he was heard what he was saying.

                Masiulis over Kulboka its tricky but my feeling is also that Masiulis is more true Pf and thats the key in this our team construction.In youth tournaments when Masiulis,Kulboka,Sedekerskis was playing for same team what position they were playing? My memory somehow says to me that Masiulis was playing big position inside no?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
                  I don't like Sajus in the squad, some Birutis is imo a better player and he is good in Prienai, but whatever.
                  Birutis is better overall, but it's so hard to watch him defending nowadays.... slow, soft, even in offense, no matter the stats, he surely need more time to get back on track after injury, to hold its ground better. Anyway, it doesn't matter much as you pointed out, Sajus as reserve probably won't even make the game list unless Kairys won't be able to help, then we might need Sajus physical presence

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                  • #39
                    Huge disappointment, other than Jokubaitis and D-Mo. To leave out Kulboka is absolute nonsense. The dude is next man up to freakin' NBA. Provides better D than any of those occupied coaches ever know, IMO, and provides shooting which we badly needed. Masiulis won't be hitting threes with his thirty % of shooting, he won't crashing the boards either or will be a good fit for JV/Sabonis. Kulboka have legitimate shot to be a real rotation player of Hornets as soon as next season. He delivers in ACB, but fuck it, we are going straight primitive and short term again. No need to get into this discussion we already got it, but to me that's another banal composition and other prove we are the province of BB it terms of coaching and handling the NT. We always been like that we maybe the exception of Kazlauskas. I've watched this completely armless coaching since ever Kazlauskas retired. Quallies have been handled in pathetic manner. Now again we will trash all opponents with basically zero add to the NT except Jokubaitis. What exactly soft as tissue Bendzius is doing in the NT is another great question. Dude can't guard anything. We are fumbling around again in the perspective of the deepest and longest crisis of the NT. The way we handle our NT since 2017, we are such a bleak BB province without any vision, guts, ambitions and understanding what is going in contemporary BB and how must work on out weaknesses. Even clear indications of international scouts and shit, doesn't play a single role here. Fuck that Kulboka was great summer league, fuck that he delivers in ACB, fuck that Hoernets very high on him. Benzius will do the job! We hire scout who is so busy that he even can't follow all NT material, working on his duties for Celtics, while he delivers the list of candidates to Maskoliunas and he just approves because he's also busy. Brilliant plan. NT has been a mess lately and there's little changes...
                    Last edited by Straight forward; 02-10-2020, 01:46 PM.
                    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                    Buzelis, Lelevicius
                    Murauskas, Sirvydis
                    Tubelis, Krivas

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                    • #40
                      I understand Kalnietis, Maciulis, Kuzminskas, Motiejunas as the veterans who must be there as this is the path to prepare to OQT. But don't tell me no bullshit how some Bendzius, Valinskas, Dimsa, Gailius, Janavicius had to be in instead of some brightest young talents while some of them are legitimate borderline NBA players. Nah, we are preparing them For what? They never ever will do anything at the real stage of NT. They never did and never will.
                      LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                      Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                      Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                      Buzelis, Lelevicius
                      Murauskas, Sirvydis
                      Tubelis, Krivas

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                        I understand Kalnietis, Maciulis, Kuzminskas, Motiejunas as the veterans who must be there as this is the path to prepare to OQT. But don't tell me no bullshit how some Bendzius, Valinskas, Dimsa, Gailius, Janavicius had to be in instead of some brightest young talents while some of them are legitimate borderline NBA players. Nah, we are preparing them For what? They never ever will do anything at the real stage of NT. They never did and never will.
                        young players would get more by working out individually than playing a few games against terrible teams.

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                        • #42
                          Maskoliunas as Sharas right hand for 4 years i believe should have some imagination about "understanding what is going in contemporary basketball" . Zalgiris didnt use young players in last 3-4 years in euroleague either.Maybe Maskoliunas wants to win who knows,like in zalgiris

                          Same goes to Matkevicius,he should understand Kulboka pluses and minuses better than anyone in our stuff or here in forum.Thats biggest part of his job to evaluate young raw tallent.
                          Last edited by Shawshank; 02-10-2020, 02:44 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
                            Maskoliunas as Sharas right hand for 4 years i believe should have some imagination about "understanding what is going in contemporary basketball" . Zalgiris didnt use young players in last 3-4 years in euroleague either.Maybe Maskoliunas wants to win who knows,like in zalgiris

                            Same goes to Matkevicius,he should understand Kulboka pluses and minuses better than anyone in our stuff or here in forum.Thats biggest part of his job to evaluate young raw tallent.
                            Jasikevicius is Jasikevicius. Maskoliunas is Maskoliunas. I don't like his first step. That's all. Zalgiris doesn't use such players as Bendzius, Valinskas, Gailius either. Actually bunch of youngsters got a chance under Saras, some utilized that, some blew.

                            Not necessary. The guy said himself he's extremely busy and admitted he can't see everything. I wouldn't be surprised he hasn't watch a single game of Kulboka and D. Giedraitis. I justify it only because Kulboka has been on a slump, but it's such a lame decision when we badly need a re-build, the add of talent and plus we struggle with 4 position, we badly need anyone to shoot and guard from it.
                            Last edited by Straight forward; 02-10-2020, 03:20 PM.
                            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                            Buzelis, Lelevicius
                            Murauskas, Sirvydis
                            Tubelis, Krivas

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                            • #44
                              It's funny how Kulboka is treated as softy while has been working on his body most impressively from all youngsters. If we believe some sources he's already 102-104kg. Bendzius for example is 90kg stiff. Even Masiulis who supposed to be crashing the glass is 99kg. I've seen Kulboka playing and he's delivering at D. There's no even conversation that he's better defender than Bendzius and Kuz. And overall I think he's better than Masiulis. But who cares, Bendzius drops 10 freakin' points in LKL, so does Masiulis. Kulboka can ball as much as he wants in ACB, we got our LKL studs. Kulboka is too complicated to scout, fuck it. Bendzius is right there, he will be guarding beefy Jordan Morgan with his 112kg in OQT. No prob, elite scouting.

                              LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                              Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                              Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                              Buzelis, Lelevicius
                              Murauskas, Sirvydis
                              Tubelis, Krivas

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                              • #45
                                Finished video of maskoliunas conference:

                                the main question was asked "who coach sees in pf position in olympic qualification and what answers he hopping to get from this window in that position?".He said i have streach four bendzius with fantastic shooting as big,gytis will play there and ironically remarked: when season ends we still have young and well playing Jankunas

                                how he talks about bendzius and jankunas they both will be in the camp in june.

                                also maskoliunas said about youngster: i understand that some people would like to see more younger players in this window,but i wanted more those players i see that will be in camp in june to be able "paciupineti" now and introduce system we will run.

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