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    Group C

    Czech Republic (Q)
    Belgium
    Lithuania
    Denmark.

    Czech Republic automatically qualifies due to the hosts' rights. Two highest placed teams of the group qualify to the European championship together with hosts.

    Schedule:

    February 21, 2020: Belgium vs. Lithuania
    February 24, 2020: Lithuania vs. Czech Republic

    November 26, 2020: Lithuania vs. Denmark
    November 29, 2020: Lithuania vs. Belgium

    February 19, 2021: Czech Republic vs. Lithuania
    February 22, 2021: Denmark vs. Lithuania
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    Extended list for the first window:

    Guards: Kalnietis, Janavičius, Jokubaitis, Bičkauskis, Juškevičius, Dimša, Valinskas;

    Forwards: Mačiulis, Gailius, Kuzminskas, Butkevičius, Sedekerskis, Bendžius, Masiulis, Kulboka;

    Centers: Echodas, Birutis, Kairys, Mockevičius, Sajus

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    Final roster will be announced at the beginning of February.

    My wish (not the guess, but wish) would be:

    Kalnietis, Jokubaitis
    Juškevičius, Dimša
    Kuzminskas, Butkevičius, Sedekerskis
    Mačiulis, Masiulis, Kulboka
    Echodas, Birutis

    However, my guess is:

    Kalnietis, Bičkauskis, Janavičius
    Juškevičius, Dimša
    Kuzminskas, Gailius, Butkevičius
    Mačiulis, Bendžius,
    Kairys, Echodas

    - It's a shame, that Dovydas Giedraitis is not on the extended list.
    - The least wanted player for me is Deividas Gailius.
    - I really hope Rokas Jokubaitis gets a chance.
    - It might be the first and the only chance ever for Tomas Dimša to wear NT's jersey, since he has been performing really well this season so far.

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    The biggest news is of course D-Mo again declining the invitation... sure, he has an excuse - his club has games in China, but didn't he know that before, when said that he will surely come Again speaks a lot, but does nothing. If he believes that he will come and will break the roster right before OQT, well, he might be surprised...

    The rest was more or less predictable. There're some players who could make it instead others, but not as big difference makers and probably wouldn't be in final roster what so ever (judging on current shape)


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    Again, I missed broader vision. Very short term goal roster without a tiny cleft for gaze to the nearest future and even so questionable overall. Tell me how current Valinskas deserves to be in? The dude sucked...a co*k literally in France league and he has been sucking in Lithuania as well. Limited, primitive, ISO baller, streaky shooter, probably poor man's Juskevicius. The dude averages 7pts in 25min in LKL, what he will be doing in the NT? Both Sirvydis and D. Giedraitis badly overlooked as they are not only already better, but both are future, and the latter probably the most consistent three point shooter entirely from all youngsters and we do know how badly we lack shooters.
    Gailius? Really? Most stupid chucking machine in entire LKL? I mean I can't watch his game, worst chucker ever, we'll watch him jacking off shots and making most stupid decisions in the entire BB planet? Way to go.
    Bickauskas or Janavicius instead of Velicka is also super brave move, like it's not 50/50 players basically, just that one is 20yo stud and others have as much as zero relevance as it comes to anything serious ever.
    Staring to think Matkevicius doesn't have it. He had one good tournament with NT and that was 2015, right? And then it was all up to Kazlauskas, he just helped to get to know with the opponents. Highly questionable rosters with Adomaitis and now again...Gailius and Valinskas will be gathering us on their soulders with the most horrid ISO ball in Earth. Deep take brah.

    And now D-Mo..."Save the spot...I'm coming directly to Kaunas, for your serves be it 4 or 5", LOL
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    If they will put in freakin' Gailius and will leave out Kulboka or Masiulis, that will be the biggest joke in new era Like we give a zero f...that we are screwing in BB since 2016. That's how I pretty much rank this extended list. Like everyone is satisfied with screwing and worst stretch in history, no attempt to fix something. The only tit Jokubaitis, who realistically and objectively second best PG on the list, so it's not even a tiny push.
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    I think we already discussed about it and agreed on that - let's not demand any vision, view to the future from current coaching stuff. They are here for this summer only, with no idea what future holds. All they care about is to win these two qualifying games, not to screw up the situation and most importantly start preparing team for OQT. All these changes of generations will have to wait till September or when there'll be next window. Who cares if in this list there is Valinskas, Giedraitis or Sirvydis, none will make it even to this window camp, not at current shape, cause most likely like always there will be some 12-14 players only. Btw, what Gailius has to do with Kulboka and Masiulis? Different positions. I never was a fan of Gailius, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him making into this window roster as SG/SF


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    Matkevicius is here like forever, he saw brave youngster's integration by Kazlauskas, he worked with Adomaitis and now again he goes with super mediocre NT boderliner instead of to go with the young player with the clear upside standing at the same level as a player basically. To me, those extended lists says it all how they see things, how they project. It is important, because if Juskevicius goes down, some Valinskas steps up, not Sirvydis, not Giedraitis. When we badly need new integration, when our NT highly lacking talent and it's obvious for 4 years now, we filling soft EUro qualifiers with mediocre LKL players instead of building something. It's not like Eurobasket, there won't be Satoransky or Vesely. We are taking them down with our -B team, most likely.
    Gailius has to do with it, that they may go with three SFs, taking only 2 PFs, and at this point we lack more PFs.
    Personally, I'm disappointed because I'm not even sure how much such player as Juskevicius is better than some Sirvydis. The first one is still soft and weak defender, non system player and other than his shooting which is streaky, he can't provide much if any. We have some young studs who could easily get their feet wet and we still take wins comfortably. But somehow we go all mediocre, all the way, that has been the path. And, IMO, anyone who takes the wheel of NT, be it for a year, must instantly consider the whole picture. Anyway, that's my take, and even if Gailius can score some, I just find his game so primitive and won't even comment his D, the biggest murmer who always commit super stupid PFs in entire LKL, I just don't see how such player's can ride with NT jerseys...
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    Dmo as always ...

    List like list all our best players included right now we have after top 6-7main rotation players from NBA and euroleague that for obviuos reasons can't be here.

    List basically didn't change from previous window games that obviuosly worked .Mature players and most tallented youngsters .

    In 5 days and 2 games there is no time for anything. Coaches put players that played and won those window level games before.

    If STF reacting like that to boring window games list, he will go mad when he will see our Olympic team lineup with no shaky leg youngsters at all
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    To those mentioned fellows who are not on the list i would add one more who is balling recently and not in LKL but in the 2nd Eurocup round - that is Girdziunas. I know you have just forgotten to mention him so i only remind.
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    Personally I'm not a fan of "let's qualify" vision so I don't understand why better players are taken instead of talented ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Matkevicius is here like forever, he saw brave youngster's integration by Kazlauskas, he worked with Adomaitis and now again he goes with super mediocre NT boderliner instead of to go with the young player with the clear upside standing at the same level as a player basically. To me, those extended lists says it all how they see things, how they project. It is important, because if Juskevicius goes down, some Valinskas steps up, not Sirvydis, not Giedraitis. When we badly need new integration, when our NT highly lacking talent and it's obvious for 4 years now, we filling soft EUro qualifiers with mediocre LKL players instead of building something. It's not like Eurobasket, there won't be Satoransky or Vesely. We are taking them down with our -B team, most likely.
    Gailius has to do with it, that they may go with three SFs, taking only 2 PFs, and at this point we lack more PFs.
    Personally, I'm disappointed because I'm not even sure how much such player as Juskevicius is better than some Sirvydis. The first one is still soft and weak defender, non system player and other than his shooting which is streaky, he can't provide much if any. We have some young studs who could easily get their feet wet and we still take wins comfortably. But somehow we go all mediocre, all the way, that has been the path. And, IMO, anyone who takes the wheel of NT, be it for a year, must instantly consider the whole picture. Anyway, that's my take, and even if Gailius can score some, I just find his game so primitive and won't even comment his D, the biggest murmer who always commit super stupid PFs in entire LKL, I just don't see how such player's can ride with NT jerseys...
    It absolutely doesn't matter how long is Matkevicius here, year, cycle, century... All that is important that he is here now for this only windown and OQT. This window won't change a destiny of any your beloved teen player, the are all too weak now, but it's important part of our preparation for OQT. How many times we'll need to discuss about that? It's everytime all the same. You see some 10 years infont with your predictable rosters, but you fail to see what will happen in few months. There's no whole summer to prepare, no dozen of friendlies - there's new coach, new system, every game is precious. We have like 5 days now in February and few weeks in June. So yeah, let's fill this limited roster with future... You can do this when time will come, I absolutely don't give a fck now how NT will look in Autumn window, I care about the most important summer we'll have this cycle. And coaching stuff obviously too. Maybe Matkevicius working these years with Kazlauskas and other coaches learned exactly that - to make right priorities?
    And no, Gailius has absolutely nothing to do with Kulboka or Masiulis. You just put them together cause one is veteran, other two are youngsters you like. For the same reason you'll be disappointed if he'll make it or some youngster won't. You just have no patience. Even tho none has smth incommon. Gailius is there for obvious reason - he still has class for this roster and we lack SG/SF, well, and he is better than Sirvydis. Other two will fight for frontcourt places, another your favorite Bendzius would suit the discussion much more. I'd even say that current Bendzius, with current shape, the way he performed yesterday, would have an obvious edge over current Kulboka, but we still have a month to go.
    Only thing that was surprising is Valinskas inclusion. But I don't care much here, with current shape he has no chances what so ever. The same like Giedraitis. Just the name to fill the list


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    Actually in last 3 serious games Valinskas outscored Dimsa 17,3-12,7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    If STF reacting like that to boring window games list, he will go mad when he will see our Olympic team lineup with no shaky leg youngsters at all
    Contrary, I'm a bit pissed now, because I see windows as great space for talented youngsters to get a shot. Making the NT for real deal tournaments is another thing.

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    To those mentioned fellows who are not on the list i would add one more who is balling recently and not in LKL but in the 2nd Eurocup round - that is Girdziunas. I know you have just forgotten to mention him so i only remind.
    Lately he's good. But I don't really miss him. We can deal without him easily. I actually missed Beliauskas in the list. Still pretty young, and playing really well this seasom

    Quote Originally Posted by LuDux View Post
    Personally I'm not a fan of "let's qualify" vision so I don't understand why better players are taken instead of talented ones
    IMO, we highly overrate these games. We are more than capable to win with (maybe!) slightly wore team, but more talented.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    It absolutely doesn't matter how long is Matkevicius here, year, cycle, century... All that is important that he is here now for this only windown and OQT. This window won't change a destiny of any your beloved teen player, the are all too weak now, but it's important part of our preparation for OQT. How many times we'll need to discuss about that? It's everytime all the same. You see some 10 years infont with your predictable rosters, but you fail to see what will happen in few months. There's no whole summer to prepare, no dozen of friendlies - there's new coach, new system, every game is precious. We have like 5 days now in February and few weeks in June. So yeah, let's fill this limited roster with future... You can do this when time will come, I absolutely don't give a fck now how NT will look in Autumn window, I care about the most important summer we'll have this cycle. And coaching stuff obviously too. Maybe Matkevicius working these years with Kazlauskas and other coaches learned exactly that - to make right priorities?
    And no, Gailius has absolutely nothing to do with Kulboka or Masiulis. You just put them together cause one is veteran, other two are youngsters you like. For the same reason you'll be disappointed if he'll make it or some youngster won't. You just have no patience. Even tho none has smth incommon. Gailius is there for obvious reason - he still has class for this roster and we lack SG/SF, well, and he is better than Sirvydis. Other two will fight for frontcourt places, another your favorite Bendzius would suit the discussion much more. I'd even say that current Bendzius, with current shape, the way he performed yesterday, would have an obvious edge over current Kulboka, but we still have a month to go.
    Only thing that was surprising is Valinskas inclusion. But I don't care much here, with current shape he has no chances what so ever. The same like Giedraitis. Just the name to fill the list
    What you say is all correct in a way, I just stick with other angle, other thesis that long term goal is direct impact to wins. You speak about the wins, but it doesn't come from no-where. The goal is not simply qualify, we most likely would qualify with our C team, let's face it. We want big wins, we want to be good at the big stage, and these steps, these windows is the soil that we must sow. Going with status quo didn't give as anything, zero. We got all the wins in WC quallies, yet had zero new talent to add to 2019 WC team and even more we barely prepared anything to 2020 (OK, Kulboka and Masiulis got some stint, but very little). These windows are too precious just to gather best team (meaning LKL best veterans who are absolute mediocre players in real NT perspective all in) and to trash the second rate opponents. I see it as wasted soil. The priority is to be big in real freakin' tournaments and not to simply wait till our most talented youngsters will find their ways without helping them, this way we will stay at the same bleak level we are at since some...errrr...2008 for another 5 years. We should push it and we barely have anything to lose, we would still qualify. I know Kalauskas would push it, I bet Jasikevicius would do, or Sireika. I even bet we still are heavy favourite against any of Czech rep (Satoransky, Vesely less), Denmark, Belgium even if we pack 60% youngsters and 40% veterans roster as such:

    Kalnietis, Jokubaitis
    Juskevicius, Sirvydis, Giedraitis
    Kuzminskas, Butkevicius
    Kulboka, Masiulis, Maciulis
    Echodas, Birutis

    Quote Originally Posted by LuDux View Post
    Actually in last 3 serious games Valinskas outscored Dimsa 17,3-12,7
    Valinskas is streaky as hell. Dimsa shows consistency this season + better, tougher defender.
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    Yeah those 2 window games againts lkl level opponents would be so dramatic for those youngsters that after gettting their feet wet here, they would be almost ready to play in Olympics againts NBA/ euroleague players in 6 months.

    Those ltu NT coaches don't understand nothing! How they don't see this fantastic possibility to upgrade our Olympic team 2020.No vision for future ,just invites best players with ltu passports stubborn old school idiots.

    Kazlauskas and Sharas would have built u-23 teams for this windows.They always have one youngster on their bench that does good job with towells and these maskoliunas/ matkevicius have no clue how to use youngsters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Yeah those 2 window games againts lkl level opponents would be so dramatic for those youngsters that after gettting their feet wet here, they would be almost ready to play in Olympics againts NBA/ euroleague players in 6 months.
    Long term...read my lips. It's not one year term, or 6 months term, it's a LONG TERM. Use google, dictionary or whatever, but you gotta start to learn to read exactly what is written.

    Adomaitis could prepare someone since 2017 for 2020, but he barely did, not only because he didn't try hard enough, but also it was a bad timing. I give him some credit for giving a shot for Kulboka, Masiulis, Echodas, Birutis, but that's it. Maybe at 2017 it was tough for him to add anything from young guards to get their feet wet, but it's sad that now in 2019 when we have Jukubaitis, Sirvydis, Giedraitis, Velicka or even Jogela (huge guard prospects for LT) we add only one to extended windows list.

    And guys don't be funny with those best players available. Teams are never the sum of best players, never. Team is about the team, the puzzle, something what fits, what makes sense this year and 2 or 4 years in the future. Look at any team. If Jasikevicius would choose best players, he would choose Kalnietis instead of Jokubaitis, or even Janavicius instead some 17-18yo Jokubaitis (couple of seasons back). Off course, that's done because of money also, so better example is NBA. Clubs just giving up with some veterans who can't bring them big wins, fills the salary cap and doesn't allow the team to upgrade the roster with new talent which will bring huge wins in the future if not today. Teams are never the sum of best players. It's way too primitive. On the paper, yes, Gailius can score, but also he can mess up so badly at D and to take such horrid chucking shots that he can mess up the entire chemistry, that's why I can't follow why both Gailius and Valinskas are in. The team is always about the puzzle and tons of criteria, like chemistry, upside, long term impact, building towards improving your weak spots, character, defensive and overall versatility. To gather LKL players and say that for us the only goal is to qualify when we have such opponents as Denmark is a joke. Out basketball in the biggest crisis since 1992 when we consistently balled at absolute elite level for 16 years and even since 2008 got some huge wins like 2010 and 2015, but lately three horrid tournaments and people still can't figure it out some things must be done differently, f.e. like understanding that NT should care about those gems who will lead NT to elite again. They shouldn't plain and primitive care only about how to freakin' beat Denmark (or Belgium with Euroleagu less players) with Gailius, Valinskas and Mockevicius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    What you say is all correct in a way, I just stick with other angle, other thesis that long term goal is direct impact to wins. You speak about the wins, but it doesn't come from no-where. The goal is not simply qualify, we most likely would qualify with our C team, let's face it. We want big wins, we want to be good at the big stage, and these steps, these windows is the soil that we must sow. Going with status quo didn't give as anything, zero. We got all the wins in WC quallies, yet had zero new talent to add to 2019 WC team and even more we barely prepared anything to 2020 (OK, Kulboka and Masiulis got some stint, but very little). These windows are too precious just to gather best team (meaning LKL best veterans who are absolute mediocre players in real NT perspective all in) and to trash the second rate opponents. I see it as wasted soil. The priority is to be big in real freakin' tournaments and not to simply wait till our most talented youngsters will find their ways without helping them, this way we will stay at the same bleak level we are at since some...errrr...2008 for another 5 years. We should push it and we barely have anything to lose, we would still qualify. I know Kalauskas would push it, I bet Jasikevicius would do, or Sireika. I even bet we still are heavy favourite against any of Czech rep (Satoransky, Vesely less), Denmark, Belgium even if we pack 60% youngsters and 40% veterans roster as such:

    Kalnietis, Jokubaitis
    Juskevicius, Sirvydis, Giedraitis
    Kuzminskas, Butkevicius
    Kulboka, Masiulis, Maciulis
    Echodas, Birutis
    Again you are missing the point. I'm talking about this window only. I've wrote - in autumn you can kick all old horses and start building the team for 2023-2024, that would make sense. But not now, when team is preparing for OQT. Now our future is exactly Olympics, nothing else matters, you must get the closest team to best one possible. Every coach would do this, there are moments for experiments, there are moments when you can allow yourself it even in top tournaments when you have nothing to choose from, but there are moments when you can't do this. It even doesn't matter that much if we'll win against Czechs or Belgium now, the more important thing is to introduce team to new system. On other hand, if we'll win it, it even will help your idea of rejuvenation in autumn or whole qualifiers, next coach or Maskoliunas will have more freedom for a risk. So again - have patience. If you don't care much about OQT, it's ok, but it's not that long to go till autumn either, when some fresh blood should be in


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    Again you are missing the point. I'm talking about this window only. I've wrote - in autumn you can kick all old horses and start building the team for 2023-2024, that would make sense. But not now, when team is preparing for OQT. Now our future is exactly Olympics, nothing else matters, you must get the closest team to best one possible. Every coach would do this, there are moments for experiments, there are moments when you can allow yourself it even in top tournaments when you have nothing to choose from, but there are moments when you can't do this. It even doesn't matter that much if we'll win against Czechs or Belgium now, the more important thing is to introduce team to new system. On other hand, if we'll win it, it even will help your idea of rejuvenation in autumn or whole qualifiers, next coach or Maskoliunas will have more freedom for a risk. So again - have patience. If you don't care much about OQT, it's ok, but it's not that long to go till autumn either, when some fresh blood should be in
    I've got your point, but how Gailius and Valinskas can contribute to OQT. Do you see a slight possibility for them to be in Kaunas? IMO, it's zero, not with their system BB IQ and their D. I like your idea that now Euro quallies are part of preparation for OQT in Kaunas, but so you have to bring right puzzles, those who not only may help to win against Belgium now, but also have at least some upside or theoretical chances to make OQT roster. I mean position 2 is almost completely opened, it's Grigonis and the deserts...literally (knowing Seibutis collapsed for good most likely). Yeah, we will add Milaknis most likely (again, not some peaking stud to count on it 100%) and who else? Why to exclude the possibility that Sirvydis and Giedraitis may have a shot to make it, specially the latter because he's really good defensively. To me NT is too solid and serious things for such low IQ players like Gailius, Valinskas, Bendzius when it comes to real deal tournaments, so in that sense I even see some Sirvydis, Giedraitis having more chances to be there even if it's not happening most likely at all.
    And lastly, I would be so excited to see what is current Dovydas Giedraitis. The guy who looked rock solid in U19, looked more convincing that Jokubaitis till he sprained his ankle, delivered in whole preparation with Estudiantes and looked good whenever got a chance in ACB it self. How the hell out coaches wouldn't want to "touch" this gem and maybe to give him a seat at 12th spot, or let's say to have him in a camp for those 2-4 practices just to get to know with him. OQT aside, there might be a need of new material for Olympics it self, you do want to know what kind of talent pool you have overall. I would be so eager to see someone like Dovydas Giedraitis, not less than Jokubaitis f.e.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Long term...read my lips. It's not one year term, or 6 months term, it's a LONG TERM. Use google translator
    Now now boy relax don't need to get so upset if somebody disagrees with your dreamers ideas

    Neither Kazlauskas,Neither Sharas is using youngsters in main games .Lkl and friendly nt or some blowout sure.In main games they both use mature players.

    Saying that Jokubaitis was chosen over Kalnietis is just stupid.Jokubaitis is taken as youngster not main rotation player and earns like 10 times less.Jokubaitis don't even play in euroleague even when situation with Pg is horrible.Why? Because not ready.

    As for Mantas he would be usefull for zalgiris right now for 300 instead of getting total fiasco with Perez 400 salary and team left without no true Pg and zalgiris paying price now.

    Nobody was growing players in NT in 00s either..We just had more tallent and stars that's it, don't need to blame Adomaitis now for very poor backourt situation.

    Kazlauskas took all those pg because there was nothing to choose from Vasiliauskas,Juskevicius,Kariniauskas and Lekavicius that doesn't made them players they simply weren't even when they made NT roster.

    Ok we can see now he guest it right with Lukas, but even for Lukas we oviuosly have to be gratefull to zalgiris not Nt one summer where he sitted together with Gailius as 11-12th players and played 0 minutes in winning playoofs.Coach was so impressed with shaky leg Lukas that next summer didnt even invited him.He simply wasn't yet ready and coach saw that in previous tournament and try other young guy and again didn't worked in 2016.

    In Adomaitis years it was easier to choose it was still Mantas and already matured Lukas coach didn't needed to play Kazlauskas guessing game with backup Pg.

    One month's in NT can't do miracles compared to 8 months in club.If player is true deal he will show that in clubs.

    NT is men team for winning not youngsters growing farm.

    Two bad tournaments doesn't mean we have blow out everything of 27 years of building winning culture of our NT.It works how we did over the years, we just need to be patience and stay with it not just go young and tank like some NBA team for 4 years until those youngster will mature.

    No thank you.I don't wanna see 3-4 years of tanking and ale growing for the future and like 7 times of 10 that's leads to nothing...and that's in clubs where you can teach them 8-9 months...what you can achieve in 1,5 months per year teaching them.?

    NT priority is/was diffrent and rightfully so.

    We were seriously competing till last seconds againts elite of world basketball in France and Australia in 2019..Everything is fine just don't blow out everything keep grinding add couple 1-2 pieces and it will pay off.

    Best players should be invited every summer and 2-3 most promissing youngsters as always was and see what they got in men tournaments.But firstly they have shown their level in clubs before seriusly consider them.

    It should be natural process younger player learns from older and mature and eventually takes over veterans.But not like some dreamer who literally believes that some promissing 19-21 old kids have a seriuos chance to compete againts best worlds men players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    I've got your point, but how Gailius and Valinskas can contribute to OQT. Do you see a slight possibility for them to be in Kaunas? IMO, it's zero, not with their system BB IQ and their D. I like your idea that now Euro quallies are part of preparation for OQT in Kaunas, but so you have to bring right puzzles, those who not only may help to win against Belgium now, but also have at least some upside or theoretical chances to make OQT roster. I mean position 2 is almost completely opened, it's Grigonis and the deserts...literally (knowing Seibutis collapsed for good most likely). Yeah, we will add Milaknis most likely (again, not some peaking stud to count on it 100%) and who else? Why to exclude the possibility that Sirvydis and Giedraitis may have a shot to make it, specially the latter because he's really good defensively. To me NT is too solid and serious things for such low IQ players like Gailius, Valinskas, Bendzius when it comes to real deal tournaments, so in that sense I even see some Sirvydis, Giedraitis having more chances to be there even if it's not happening most likely at all.
    And lastly, I would be so excited to see what is current Dovydas Giedraitis. The guy who looked rock solid in U19, looked more convincing that Jokubaitis till he sprained his ankle, delivered in whole preparation with Estudiantes and looked good whenever got a chance in ACB it self. How the hell out coaches wouldn't want to "touch" this gem and maybe to give him a seat at 12th spot, or let's say to have him in a camp for those 2-4 practices just to get to know with him. OQT aside, there might be a need of new material for Olympics it self, you do want to know what kind of talent pool you have overall. I would be so eager to see someone like Dovydas Giedraitis, not less than Jokubaitis f.e.
    Your last paragraph says it all - you are over excited, you can't wait, you eager to see and etc. I told you - have some patience, leave personal wishes aside, be more pragmatic this time. NT is not playing ground for kids, especially not now. Their time will come. They are not ready now. Coaches has set their priorities - it's preparation, not "touching" some gems. Giedraitis barely gets a chance in ACB weakest team, can't break even into match roster on regular basis. His coach also likes him, read that lot of times, but he also acknowledges that he is not ready yet and he sees him everyday. It's not some critic, it's good that at this age he is knocking on ACB door, but it's just where he stands now. Leave him alone for a while, let him play in u20 NT. There is god damn huge difference between being rock solid in u19 and deserve even bench warming in NT.
    I've wrote about Gailius and Valinskas already too.


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