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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    Just my opinion, is J League a more competitive league than the PBA? I mean what new things will he learned from JLeague that he will not learn in the PBA.
    FYI J League is football (soccer), B.League is basketball.

    While i agree PBA is better than Japan's B.League, the experience Thirdy will get is more for his personal / professional growth. And those things are immeasurable.

    In Japan, where he is virtually unknown among the locals, he will have to earn his stripes and nothing will be handed to him instantly. The dude might be elite here and have all sorts of things and incentives, left and right, given to him on a whim (like new kicks almost every week from sponsors) , but there, he has to work harder to accomplish and get things.

    If he is to be signed by a Japanese team, the dynamics between him and his teammates will be be totally different compared to here. There will be no superstar status and he must follow the traditional Japanese hierarchy (seniority, status on the team, etc), and being a foreigner, he will be relegated to the lowest position on the totem pole, until he proved his worth. He will not be pampered there. Which IMHO, will be more beneficial for this growth as a player and as a person.

    he could hang out with the Santiago Sisters, and Bryan Bagunas and get some advice and form a support group. Maybe Marck Espejo will be signed by a Japanese club again soon. Ateneo Reunion.
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    well pba i think is more competitive than bleague. however with the political climate in the pba plus the gruelling season makes it not good for a player. look at the pba now the 2019 season still not over.lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    well pba i think is more competitive than bleague. however with the political climate in the pba plus the gruelling season makes it not good for a player. look at the pba now the 2019 season still not over.lol.
    Also let me add that the style of play in Japan's B League is closer to the FIBA style of the game than the PBA style of game is with FIBA game. If I'm not mistaken, the B league uses FIBA rules while our beloved PBA has its own set of rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Also let me add that the style of play in Japan's B League is closer to the FIBA style of the game than the PBA style of game is with FIBA game. If I'm not mistaken, the B league uses FIBA rules while our beloved PBA has its own set of rules.
    how many imports are allowed per team in BLeague?
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    how many imports are allowed per team in BLeague?
    Three imports but only two can be on the court at the same time. Naturalized Japanese are considered local players but only one slot per team is allowed for them. Foreign citizens who were either born or raised in Japan and graduated from Japanese elementary and junior high school will not be treated as a foreign player for the purpose of these rules
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    Three imports but only two can be on the court at the same time. Naturalized Japanese are considered local players but only one slot per team is allowed for them. Foreign citizens who were either born or raised in Japan and graduated from Japanese elementary and junior high school will not be treated as a foreign player for the purpose of these rules
    at least b league is adopting to modern trend.. 3 imports per team.. in PBA 2 imports, people will usually say “oh you took away the PT of the pinoy player”

    they tried the asian import but lol height limit 6’4.. how can you get the best asian players if you put a height limit.. bahrami and haddadi and maybe fadi might have play in PBA..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    at least b league is adopting to modern trend.. 3 imports per team.. in PBA 2 imports, people will usually say “oh you took away the PT of the pinoy player”

    they tried the asian import but lol height limit 6’4.. how can you get the best asian players if you put a height limit.. bahrami and haddadi and maybe fadi might have play in PBA..
    Its funny that only one "ïmport" can play at a time in each college team in the UAAP & NCAA, yet some people are clamoring for the total ban of these college imports because their presence "takes away the spot, playing time & opportunity of pinoy players”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    at least b league is adopting to modern trend.. 3 imports per team.. in PBA 2 imports, people will usually say “oh you took away the PT of the pinoy player”

    they tried the asian import but lol height limit 6’4.. how can you get the best asian players if you put a height limit.. bahrami and haddadi and maybe fadi might have play in PBA..
    casual Pinoy fans don't understand the point of having imports b/c they're blinded by false patriotism. If you really love your country's basketball you should want your league to improve.
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    I don't know how to put this but the question of what is the ideal number of import per team a league should have is for me a vague thing.

    Having too many imports per team, say 3 imports/team, would "take away the spot/ playing time/opportunity of pinoy players”. But such format/rule would nevertheless improve the level of competition. I believe such format would be beneficial to the National team as that would expose the National players to high level competition.

    One the other hand, a league can have no import at all & that would give the local players all the exposure, playing time, opportunities they need to develop, but without imports, the level of competition won't be that high.

    Obviously, there are pros & cons with the import thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    I don't know how to put this but the question of what is the ideal number of import per team a league should have is for me a vague thing.

    Having too many imports per team, say 3 imports/team, would "take away the spot/ playing time/opportunity of pinoy players”. But such format/rule would nevertheless improve the level of competition. I believe such format would be beneficial to the National team as that would expose the National players to high level competition.

    One the other hand, a league can have no import at all & that would give the local players all the exposure, playing time, opportunities they need to develop, but without imports, the level of competition won't be that high.

    Obviously, there are pros & cons with the import thing.
    Commercial pro leagues are essentially an entertainment business. To entertain people with sports you need the best athletes available. if you want local players to develop that's a different matter which is probably in conflict with the aims of a commercial pro league
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    Well look at ABL, has the locals really improved. Yes they have but not to a Asian Level except for some who had D1 or foreign experience. I think to many imports will dilute the minutes of local which will hinder their development on court. So it should be balance, base on the talent level of a team and its development program.

    Too many imports will also mean the support might not be as high if a local is the star of the team. We Asian associate our loyalty to a player that we identify the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    Commercial pro leagues are essentially an entertainment business. To entertain people with sports you need the best athletes available. if you want local players to develop that's a different matter which is probably in conflict with the aims of a commercial pro league
    Having too many imports won't really make majority of Pinoy basketball fans happy simply because the presence of too many imports would easily prevent the locals from taking the limelight. Do you think SMB fans would be happy seeing Junmar Fajardo averaging just 9 pts. & 6 rebs. per game because he has to take a backseat playing behind the 3 imports of San Miguel? Do you think CJ Perez' fans would be happy if CJ Perez would play for only 18 mins. per game because he has to bump for playing time with the 3 imports of Columbia?
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Having too many imports won't really make majority of Pinoy basketball fans happy simply because the presence of too many imports would easily prevent the locals from taking the limelight. Do you think SMB fans would be happy seeing Junmar Fajardo averaging just 9 pts. & 6 rebs. per game because he has to take a backseat playing behind the 3 imports of San Miguel? Do you think CJ Perez' fans would be happy if CJ Perez would play for only 18 mins. per game because he has to bump for playing time with the 3 imports of Columbia?
    no one is saying that we should play 5 imports. Fact is, the top commercial league must showcase the best players, and that is a mix of local and foreign. this is the reason why Japan and China (and LebaNon as well IIRC) has the two-at-a-time rule. This rule effectively forces some teams to only hire two imports b/c it is costly to pay an import to only sit on the bench. Point is imports are necessary to improve local players. If our locals can improve even with only one foreign player per team then it's fine. What I actually disagree with the PBA rules on imports is the height limit, which is absurd and hinder the development of our local bigs. Junemar will be the first to tell you that playing against Americans as tall as him has helped improve his game.

    Japan understands this fact, so they want players from all over Asia to come over to their league and help their locals become exposed to different playing styles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    Well look at ABL, has the locals really improved. Yes they have but not to a Asian Level except for some who had D1 or foreign experience. I think to many imports will dilute the minutes of local which will hinder their development on court. So it should be balance, base on the talent level of a team and its development program.

    Too many imports will also mean the support might not be as high if a local is the star of the team. We Asian associate our loyalty to a player that we identify the most.
    And too many imports is also expensive on the part of team owners.

    I agree with you bro, it should be balanced based on the talent level of a team & its development program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    no one is saying that we should play 5 imports. Fact is, the top commercial league must showcase the best players, and that is a mix of local and foreign. this is the reason why Japan and China (and LebaNon as well IIRC) has the two-at-a-time rule. This rule effectively forces some teams to only hire two imports b/c it is costly to pay an import to only sit on the bench. Point is imports are necessary to improve local players. If our locals can improve even with only one foreign player per team then it's fine. What I actually disagree with the PBA rules on imports is the height limit, which is absurd and hinder the development of our local bigs. Junemar will be the first to tell you that playing against Americans as tall as him has helped improve his game.
    3 import per team in the PBA would already be too many/much, both for the team owners (economic-wise) and the fans.
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    I remember the influx of Fil-foreign players (some of them were faked) in the PBA during the late 90's, a lot of fans were really turned-off with it that PBA gate attendance & TV viewership somewhat plummeted at that time. This goes to show how Pinoy fans aren't that pleased with non-home grown & non-pure-blooded Pinoy cagers dominating the league.

    If Pinoy fans aren't pleased with Fil-foreign players dominating the league, then what more with imports.
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    he officially joined mighty sports
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    Three imports but only two can be on the court at the same time. Naturalized Japanese are considered local players but only one slot per team is allowed for them. Foreign citizens who were either born or raised in Japan and graduated from Japanese elementary and junior high school will not be treated as a foreign player for the purpose of these rules
    then that makes BLeague a very competitive league.
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    Thirdy Ravena now trains with Jolo Tamayo under True Focus PH. Same umbrella as Mavs Phenomenal Basketball.

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    ideal maybe 2 imports.. teams can get 3 imports but it's up to the teams to get 3..

    here in nbl, you can get 3 imports but it's the option of the club to get 3.. you can get just 2 if you want.. here it's like balance. 3 imports and 2 locals but not of them will hug the most minutes.. scattered siya.. it's really the teams plan..

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