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    Congrats to Slovenia. I believe the best team in qualification (assuming Serbia missing key figures).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    LTU lost to a better team.
    Truth. Not surprising but Lithuania just couldn't contain Luka Dončić.

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    Congrats to Slovenia and Luka.

    Im not sure i have ever seen better white player than Luka Doncic thats greatness .

    Men dominates game as some alien in every aspect its possible to dominate game of basketball.
    How does a fellow playing PG who looks like a 37 year old couch potato lead all players in rebounds (as well as everything else) with eleven in 33:42 of playing time? Lithuania's twin towers of Jonas Valančiūnas and Domantas Sabonis only had six each in 25:41 and 29:33 of playing time respectively.



    It's incredible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Croatia, Turkey, LTU showed one thing clearly. No matter how good your wings or bigs are if you dont have a proper play maker you wont survive.
    Pretty much this...elite PG makes massive difference on every level of basketball, and we as a basketball crazed nation failed to develop one ever since Jasikevicius hung up his sneakers for good...and finally we paid a price for this flaw in our basketball system, the biggest price of them all by missing the main Olympic tournament. But congrats to Slovenia though - they have a true basketball magician leading them to a glory and there is no ceiling for a team when they have a player like that

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    The 4 participating countries and organizers of the Olympic qualifying tournament were eliminated, with very good teams but they lacked the character to win the final game in the case of Lithuania and Serbia, because Canada and Croatia were eliminated much earlier, these tournaments are not easy require preparation and many elements that are important details in the game for the best performance.

    Another case is that of Brazil who were playing great basketball, they could not beat Germany in the final game, these tournaments must be watched carefully and learn from both victories and defeats to know what we are missing and what resources should be added in each of the combined teams of each country for the restructuring of national teams.

    It is a great failure for teams with tradition of attending high competitions to have been left out as Serbia, Croatia, Lithuania, even Brazil, Canada is another story, something they will have to analyze, but they will know that as I mentioned that this level is not easy and you must assemble the best team you can along with other factors that are fundamental.

    In the case of Venezuela we have a lot to improve, but it is true what one of my friends said in my publications and that is that in a few years we have risen to a level where previously we suffered a stagnation since the heroes of Portland until we won the FIBA Americas in Mexico achieving feats that are legacy in the history of our basketball.

    It is time to make a reform to build based on what we have a much more serious organization, where the structure at the level of basketball is the most appropriate for the development of the discipline at the national level, we have seen some efforts but it is not enough to achieve more goals from the lower categories, because we know that in Venezuela there is talent for basketball, but we must be more decisive in building a better horizon for Creole basketball with a view to international competitions at the highest level.

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    The things Doncic did to the Lithuanians today hasn't been seen since the days of Stalin. First he "disappears" Kristap's soul, now this.I'll pray for an Estonian or any Balt brave enough to step on court with Comrade Luka.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckDiesel2 View Post
    The things Doncic did to the Lithuanians today hasn't been seen since the days of Stalin. First he "disappears" Kristap's soul, now this. If I'll pray for the Estonian or any Balt brave enough to step on court with Comrade Luka.
    Funny thing about Kristap is, that very average Tobey looks great beside Luka with playing only few games together.

    This qualifications just showed how easy is to build a team around Luka. He's basically the whole system. That means you don't need long preparation. You find bunch of shooters and solid defenders and plug Luka in. You really must be a moron to do what Mavs did in last seasons. Trading Seth, bringing non shooters like Josh and Delon, drafting rookies, who cannot shoot...KP was a calculated gamble, so I won't count that against them. But they really deserve to be gone.

    Slovenia was underrated before Kaunas. I don't believe even Lithuania's coaching staff has understood what they will have to face. It was too late to do anything when tournament started. Honestly I don't even know what they could done. There's basically no D against Luka, if his teammates are having solid night.
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    Help me understand why Igor Kokoskov didn't attach himself to Luka's hip and remain permanent Slovenia head coach after the 2017 Eurobasket title. Who's decision was it? I mean, home is home but most of the guys he thought were gonna be home (including the NBA MVP) weren't home. Other than patriotism, is there something about the Serbia job I'm missing that makes it objectively more appealing? Resources, structure, money? Even if those all blow Slovenia all out of the water, Igor saw up close what Doncic was already capable of, how could he leave that? He definitely seemed miserable on on a night Luka was joyous.

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    That's a tough lost. It all boiled down to a few first minutes of the 4th quarter. The inability to read the offensive plays of Slovenia ruined it all. I thought it should be very clear that the pick and pop situations are heavily used by Slovenians. They are deadly and well used. Unfortunately... Otherwise we played rather well. Perhaps what was needed is for Maskoliūnas to have the needed guts and play less Valančiūnas (you got it right, the defense).

    I do not agree with the claims that Lithuania is not having good PGs, though. On the contrary, we have them and they are solid. Not to mention a quite promissing list that was left at home: Kariniauskas, Velička, Marčiulionis, Rubštavičius. The bigger problem was that our opponents had a 200 cm tall and 100+ Kg weighting point guard with a great IQ. With a body like this, it is was evident that he can make some room around himself, when needed. Otherwise share the ball. Interesting enough I think Kariniauskas could be an interesting option to play against him. Butkevičius did not have the needed body (otherwise a very good defender). And yes, Sedekerskis... Maybe next time, I guess.

    Either way, good luck for the Slovenian team. They are good and fully deserved the olympic dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miškinis View Post
    Interesting enough I think Kariniauskas could be an interesting option to play against him. Butkevičius did not have the needed body (otherwise a very good defender).
    How Kariniauskas has better body than Butkevicius? Yes, 2cm taller, but Butkevicius is all muscular, tough, athletic and 1kg bigger. Kariniauskas is a bad defender, he's all about offense.
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    Well, judging by the Vikipedia, Kariniauskas is both taller and weights more. Nonetheless, it is important to emphasize that I do not expect that he could stop Luka. It should be obvious to everyone by now, I believe. I am talking about him being more inconvenient. In this particular case with the bigger body you could potentially limit the visibility field and stand ones ground. Also, I consider Kariniauskas to have a better basketball IQ than Arnas. Thus, it could also help to better read the plays and act accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miškinis View Post
    Well, judging by the Vikipedia, Kariniauskas is both taller and weights more. Nonetheless, it is important to emphasize that I do not expect that he could stop Luka. It should be obvious to everyone by now, I believe. I am talkin about him being more inconvenient. In this particular case with the bigger body you could potentially limit the visibility field and stand ones ground. Also, I consider Kariniauskas to have a better basketball IQ than Arnas. Thus, it could also help to better read the plays and act accordingly.
    Kariniauskas is way more softer than Butkevicius and he doesn't have defensive motor. It would be a horrible choice, worse than Dimsa who at least has some sturdiness and agility compared to Kariniauskas, but even Dimsa is more of an offensive player than defensive. Kariniauskas would be one of the most comfortable opponents for Doncic, he would go through him without any trouble. Anyway, not worth extended discussion. I think I FIBA Doncic has more chances to get trapped (smaller court and help D comes easier), not allowing to him to go inside and Sedekerskis, Sabonis were our 2 best options, but our coach cut one and barely used the other. Case closed.
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    We have different takes regarding him, then... One thing we agree on, though, is that Slovenia looks promising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    Funny thing about Kristap is, that very average Tobey looks great beside Luka with playing only few games together.

    This qualifications just showed how easy is to build a team around Luka. He's basically the whole system. That means you don't need long preparation. You find bunch of shooters and solid defenders and plug Luka in. You really must be a moron to do what Mavs did in last seasons. Trading Seth, bringing non shooters like Josh and Delon, drafting rookies, who cannot shoot...KP was a calculated gamble, so I won't count that against them. But they really deserve to be gone.

    Slovenia was underrated before Kaunas. I don't believe even Lithuania's coaching staff has understood what they will have to face. It was too late to do anything when tournament started. Honestly I don't even know what they could done. There's basically no D against Luka, if his teammates are having solid night.
    I agree about Luka. The team also developed some chemistry in the recent years, which makes the job even easier for him than ussual.

    I wouldn't say that Slovenia is the one that is underated. In my opinion it is the underestimation of influence that the guards have on todays game and the fact that europe is lagging behind developing guards, most notably PGs. Add that to a tournament style play where there isn't enough time to adjust to the opponents to the upmost details and that's it.

    For example, when I think of top10 european PG's, without the NBAers... I might not be the best person to evaluate this, since I admit I am not watching even remotely as much european basketball as I used to, but.... Calathes, Micic, De Colo, Teodosic... when it becomes tough (and a matter of probably personal preferences probably) is from top10 onwards. Is Albicy a top10 european PG? Is Ivanovič (Montenegro) among top15? Are Rupnik and Nikolič in top30 ? that last question sounds as a complete blasphemy (!!!!) but even if they are not and they are in the top40, that is kind of an indication that the draught on PG position is hurting some NT's really bad.
    Probably best example would be Italian Alessandro Pajola, while being a role player in Virtus Bologna, no matter how generaly unknown he is, he might as well be a starting PG on numerous national teams that played these qualifications. He will get recognition with some time and proove my point, no matter how blasphemous it might sound right now.

    To a bit lesser extent, same logic applies to SG to a bit lesser extent as the talent pool is a bit wider there.

    To sum it up, surely Slovenia's roster overall doesn't look too impressive and is pretty easy to underestimate, but than again, leaving Dončič completely aside, not many NT's can put up a hypothetical backcourt such as Šiško, (Rupnik, Nikolič), Prepelič, Zoran Dragič, Blažič? And without childlish assumptions 1 NBA guard will completely make up for the remaining of below average backcourt, it's a relatively easy question imo; Spain, France, Serbia, Lithuania surely can, It's discussable with maybee 2 more countries, as for the others it is a no. But the 4 countries I mentioned are the standard favourites for the titles. And will remain as such, due to that fact, no matter the failure now and than.

    And since guards, let alone guards with some variety in their ways, win the tournaments such as these, it's in my opinion the whole guards play that is underestimated, not Slovenia in particular.

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    Help me understand why Igor Kokoskov didn't attach himself to Luka's hip and remain permanent Slovenia head coach after the 2017 Eurobasket title. Who's decision was it? I mean, home is home but most of the guys he thought were gonna be home (including the NBA MVP) weren't home. Other than patriotism, is there something about the Serbia job I'm missing that makes it objectively more appealing? Resources, structure, money? Even if those all blow Slovenia all out of the water, Igor saw up close what Doncic was already capable of, how could he leave that? He definitely seemed miserable on on a night Luka was joyous.
    Both Slovenia and (as far as I understood) Kokoškov wanted to continue, however when Fiba's competitions appeared Kokoškov wasn't able to show up (NBA, euroleague ignoring Fiba's national team windows/schedule) and therefor they agreed not to continue with him.


    Thanks for the congrats, Lithuanians! I am sorry it had to be you guys!
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    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    The problem with players like Nikolic, Rupnik... is that they cannot run offense alone, they're useful only as backup Pgs. Prepelic and Blazic are more useful of course, but again nowhere near enough to beat better teams. Luka is just totally unique player, generating everything and he even played some decent D on Sabonis.

    I'm not sure that we have ever seen someone dominating like that in Europe. Drazen might be better scorer but nowhere near as good playmaker, Sabonis was unstoppable too, but he still needed someone to bring him the ball. It's not coincidence that 30 points triple doubles are not existing in Fiba competition.
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    I don’t know much about the coach of Lithuania but I was embarrassed by his body language from start to finish. Early in every game he looked panicked and exasperated. His theatrics after every small mistake sure didn’t help ease pressure from his team playing at home against one of the top five players in the world. Hope for the sake of Lithuanian basketball he’s gone soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckDiesel2 View Post
    I don’t know much about the coach of Lithuania but I was embarrassed by his body language from start to finish. Early in every game he looked panicked and exasperated. His theatrics after every small mistake sure didn’t help ease pressure from his team playing at home against one of the top five players in the world. Hope for the sake of Lithuanian basketball he’s gone soon.
    He retired already.
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    Glad to hear it. Hope they name each of the Lavrinovic twins co-head coach.

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    There were already a lot of questions/reservations concerning whether he was fit to be the head coach after Lithuania's underwhelming results in the Eurocup Qualifying Tournament.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    Funny thing about Kristap is, that very average Tobey looks great beside Luka with playing only few games together.

    This qualifications just showed how easy is to build a team around Luka. He's basically the whole system. That means you don't need long preparation. You find bunch of shooters and solid defenders and plug Luka in. You really must be a moron to do what Mavs did in last seasons. Trading Seth, bringing non shooters like Josh and Delon, drafting rookies, who cannot shoot...KP was a calculated gamble, so I won't count that against them. But they really deserve to be gone.

    Slovenia was underrated before Kaunas. I don't believe even Lithuania's coaching staff has understood what they will have to face. It was too late to do anything when tournament started. Honestly I don't even know what they could done. There's basically no D against Luka, if his teammates are having solid night.
    Average Tobey you say. Excuse me but he is in your starting 5 line up. I believe that he has no connection to Slovenia at all before acquiring the citizenship. I'm a fan of Finland and I'd love for our federation to pay some $$$ to get a big like Tobey. Finland has some American based guys as well, but none of them are as good as Tobey or Randolph and our guys have some connection to Finland, like Jamar Wilson has a Finnish wife and can even speak some Finnish. Erik Murphy's mother is Finnish. Lithuanian fans should be mad for that. Luka is amazing, but it would've been interesting what would've happened in that game without Tobey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    The problem with players like Nikolic, Rupnik... is that they cannot run offense alone, they're useful only as backup Pgs. Prepelic and Blazic are more useful of course, but again nowhere near enough to beat better teams. Luka is just totally unique player, generating everything and he even played some decent D on Sabonis.

    I'm not sure that we have ever seen someone dominating like that in Europe. Drazen might be better scorer but nowhere near as good playmaker, Sabonis was unstoppable too, but he still needed someone to bring him the ball. It's not coincidence that 30 points triple doubles are not existing in Fiba competition.
    right player at right time.. tall, wide capable of scoring everywhere and has great passing skills to cutting team mates
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