Obra looks like he has lost his authority among the players. Never seen him like that.
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Originally posted by Adon View PostAre you referring to the season in which PAO had finished 4th at the regular season (best place since I don't know when) and then lost vs the amazing Fener , which was the EL champion after that?
And the conclusion of this historical fact is...that Calathes and James are not among the top guards (?)
Calathes and ...Campazzo. Not a good example. First of all, Campazzo is much inferior in everything except the FT.
There is no need to explain the physical stress of playing constantly more than 30 minutes, closing holes in defence and organizing any offence, for years. Campazzo plays something like 20 minutes per game.
I mentioned Campazzo not to compare him with Calathes, but because Campazzo has to play 85 more or less difficult games in comparison to 45 serious games of Calathes.previously known as Beno
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Originally posted by Adon View PostFener is really pathetic. Worst team in EL?
Something very strange is happening.
Of course the quality of the roster and coaching will probably make the team better than this atrocious situation, but I subjectively don't believe we will be in final four even though we make it back to top 8Dilimde şarkıların gündüz gece
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Originally posted by Katastroika View PostHeurtel is one-dimensional player for you? Calathes is one-dimensional? I think I get what you're trying to say but both are everything but one-dimensional. Good defenders, good attackers out of the pick. High volume scorers. That Calathes has no constant outside shot doesn't make him one-dimensional. That he is the primear option in crunch time doesn't make him one-dimensional either just because he is not hitting the shot. Comparing them to Balbay and Mahmutoglu is really very abstract. Also Mahmutoglu is not one-dimensional by the way, he is physically limited and a pure shooter but he developed his play quite good in other directions.
Similar can be said about ben simmons, a 6 foot 10 point guard who can do everything on the court except shoot and 2 seasons ago the limiting factor against a very limited boston team. They just created a wall in front of the paint and he was unpluged. From the playoffs the limiting factor of a team is dicisive. You can like Calathes nothing weird about that but it depends on the perspective.
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Originally posted by Killer Bob View PostInteresting logic, first you said how good you were in RS and then how you played against amazing Fener, who finished behind you? We all know that having home court advantage and losing 0:3 is disastrous. Having 2 fantastic guards, your words, and very solid roster is disaster and worth taking the bus home. Look, yes Calathes plays normally very good in RS, but in this format just making playoffs means nothing.
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Originally posted by Gman365 View PostMoscow hanging in there in Baskonia...Not an easy place to compete
CSKA among the best on offense and defense statistically...
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Dwill is so bad in this game that he is -1 in Draft Kings which is very hard to do. Thanks for killing two of my teams.Winner! Euroleague Prediction Game 15/16
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Originally posted by Killer Bob View PostInteresting logic, first you said how good you were in RS and then how you played against amazing Fener, who finished behind you? We all know that having home court advantage and losing 0:3 is disastrous. 0:3 having 2 fantastic guards, your words, and very solid roster is disaster and worth taking the bus home. Look, yes Calathes plays normally very good in RS, but in this format just making playoffs means nothing.
I mentioned Campazzo not to compare him with Calathes, but because Campazzo has to play 85 more or less difficult games in comparison to 45 serious games of Calathes.
Having your best team performance as a team when it matters is not an individual skill, it's a coaching skill actually. As I said before, bball is a team sport. You are making almost-logical faults in your train of thought.
If you want to judge Calathes, his stats is a better guide than the overall performance of PAO. At least, you can compare PAO's performance when Calathes is playing and when he is not.
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No one could have predicted that Fener would be the punching bag of the EL this season with this budget. Everyone's morale is completely shot.Mi imamo svoga boga, on se zove Bodiroga.
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Originally posted by Adon View PostMy logic is quite plain. With Calathes and James, PAO had a better performance than usual although that those two players didn't have very good chemistry. Fener was a better team, there is no doubt about it, the outcome was absolutelly fair.
Having your best team performance as a team when it matters is not an individual skill, it's a coaching skill actually. As I said before, bball is a team sport. You are making almost-logical faults in your train of thought.
If you want to judge Calathes, his stats is a better guide than the overall performance of PAO. At least, you can compare PAO's performance when Calathes is playing and when he is not.previously known as Beno
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Originally posted by EverGreen View PostNo one could have predicted that Fener would be the punching bag of the EL this season with this budget. Everyone's morale is completely shot.Dilimde şarkıların gündüz gece
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