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    Man, I really think Zion Williams will be a bust, mainly because upcoming injuries. He seems to be even fattier than prior drafts now...
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    The Bucks remind me a lot of LeBron’s 2009 Cleveland team. They both had the league MVP but a supporting cast that was not suited for money playoff time. That Cleveland team won 66 regular season games and it appears that this Milwaukee team will surpass that and be around 70. But in the end they will not win the championship. The 67 win 2007 Dallas Mavericks are another good comparison. They had the one star surrounded by role players but got bounced in the playoffs following a year in which similar to the Bucks of last year they lost 4 consecutive games after being up 2-0.
    They never recovered until that team’s supporting cast was completely revamped and upgraded 4 years later.

    Last year Giannis joined Allen Iverson in 2001 and Derrick Rose in 2011 that I recall having watched the NBA since the early ‘80’s as the only reigning league MVP’s to be unceremoniously bounced from the playoffs by losing 4 consecutive games.
    And in all 3 cases they were outplayed by the truly superior player. Kawhi over Giannis, LeBron over D Rose and Shaq over Iverson.

    When it comes to teams as well as individuals, the post season has a way of illustrating greatness.
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    Please don't compare Cavs 2009 and this Bucks 2020.

    That Cavs team couldn't play well even for 5 minutes without LeBron, had no coach and had system called LeBron that used to average 40+min in regular season ...When you play all year like that one dimensional yeah you will have seriuos troubles againts best teams in a series.

    Bucks have a seriuos coach, have system in last playoffs when Gianni's got in faul trouble they still was good and not collapsing without him.Thats why they can play Gianni's for 33 min average and still win 65 +and put recordsl like +- stat ...no Cavs team never was even close to that.

    Rose bulls and Iverson sixers had no chances in those serries.Bucks lost almost won serries there is difference.

    Numbers don't lie when team wins 60+ and have over 10 pts difference average( it's means they beating other teams easily) they won ring all those times except one time.

    If you believe it gonna happen second time ok it can it's sport im just saying what numbers and history says.

    Stop comparing one men system with T-E-A-M with superstar.

    Last year the only minus was lack of playoofs experience for MVP, but they were crusing in playoofs too starting 10-1 and then mental collapse happend in gm3 and even after that it was dog fight till last seconds in gm5 and gm6 that could went either way.

    Numbers shows Bucks 2020 is historically dominate team,2019 Bucks didn't had those numbers.

    Againts Raptors Giannis didn't played well and they still was right there with NBA champions.

    When you win average 10+pts you simply dominate and something very extra should happend like injury or heart broken lose for such dominate team to lose 4 times in 10 days.

    It can happend, but not because such dominate team miss tallent or anything of that kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Please don't compare Cavs 2009 and this Bucks 2020.
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    Huh ? Are you for real ? Let me educate you. That Cavs team won 66 games with a league leading +9 average in point differential. And went an incredible 39-1 at home other than a meaningless loss in the regular season finale. And that only home loss was to the champion Lakers by the way. You make it sound as if it’s some outlandish comparison. Keep in mind Milwaukee has done it for half a season. Those teams are very comparable. I can’t believe you are getting carried away by regular season basketball. Didn’t the record breaking 2016 Warriors teach you anything ? Those numbers can be misleading and inflated.
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    Here’s another good comp. 2016 Spurs 67 regular season wins, +10.6 regular season point differential.
    Bounced in the second round. And by the way the ‘09 Cavs +9 point differential is equivalent to a +12 or so point differential today considering the enormous difference in pace of play. On average teams shoot 9 more shots a game in ‘20 than in ‘09.
    A lot easier to build up point margins this way.
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    And a mind boggling 15 more 3 point attempts in ‘20 than back in ‘09. That can lead to games getting out of hand in a hurry and definitely inflate margin differential. Basically margin differential is not a good way to evaluate and compare teams from different eras.
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    And after all the injuries and half the season in the books the Lakers and Clippers are still #1 and #2 in the Western conference standings. They can only beat each other and all the others are pretenders. Therefore seeding is pretty irrelevant and you only want to avoid each other until the West Finals. The Denvers, Utahs, Houstons, and Dallas’ of the world need to make major moves this trade deadline in order to seriously challenge the LA teams. As for them, the Lakers could use an upgrade with a secondary ball handler, and the Clippers could use some more size with another big but in reality they can stand pat and be just fine.
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    Both the Lakers or the Clippers would be favored over the Bucks in an NBA finals matchup and that’s even without the home court. At most sports books currently the 3 are favorites with basically the same odds to win it all. That tells you a lot right there. The Bucks with this dominant historic regular season should be clear favorites especially since they only have to beat one of the two. While the LA teams have to potentially go through both of the other 2 favorites. What that says is that once the West champion is decided you can boost their odds significantly higher than Milwaukees. The Bucks odds don’t change while the LA team left standing now becomes the clear favorite. This is gambling 101. And it’s further proof that Milwaukee despite its phenomenal regular season prowess is looked at differently come money playoff time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Please don't compare Cavs 2009 and this Bucks 2020.

    That Cavs team couldn't play well even for 5 minutes without LeBron, had no coach and had system called LeBron that used to average 40+min in regular season ...When you play all year like that one dimensional yeah you will have seriuos troubles againts best teams in a series.
    Actually it's pretty much the same with the Lakers this season... What you describe above is a circus not a team and the system/coaching of the Lakers resembles both the 2009 as well as the 2018 Cavs... Actually, I think only AD out of the Lakers roster is better than Love was back in 2018 when Bron was with the Cavs... In anything else the Lakers are worst...

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    Clippers added one more pitbull in Morris.He will fits just fine with Beverley, Harrell to make 3 angry pitbulls nobody will want to face in playoffs.

    Leonard with George won't need to guard best opponents players all the time even in playoffs when you have such 3 pitbulls.

    Warriors did good job after KD decided to leave.Basically from loosing KD for nothings eventually warriors got Wiggins +timberwolves very high first round pick.Its hard to manage do any better after your free agent superstar decides to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Clippers added one more pitbull in Morris.He will fits just fine with Beverley, Harrell to make 3 angry pitbulls nobody will want to face in playoffs.

    Leonard with George won't need to guard best opponents players all the time even in playoffs when you have such 3 pitbulls.

    Warriors did good job after KD decided to leave.Basically from loosing KD for nothings eventually warriors got Wiggins +timberwolves very high first round pick.Its hard to manage do any better after your free agent superstar decides to leave.
    If you make it to the finals, you'll be playing against the Bucks...

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