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    Jankunas has been done as a player for many years now - the only reason he's even paid as a professional anymore is because out of respect for the guy and his non-confrontational personality...He's basically doing what Javtokas has been sneakily doing at the end of his career - somehow making the rosters of national team despite not cutting it impact wise anymore. Lithuanian coaches always have this habit of bringing such guy or even two into the national team for some reason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Well, I disagree. I'm not even talking about the fact he's badly overpaid, such things happen. I simply think he can't play in EL any more, he's a locker room leader and talisman, that's it. It has been a while now when Jankunas sucks, going back to spring of 2019, he struggled in WC and he has been struggling with 14 EL games thus far. Against Maccabi he was plain horrid. He's not good with short stretches, even when he's decent in D at times he does that with a such slim edge that it hurts to watch, his lateral quickness and overall fluidity of movement declined badly, he can't make any jumpers (zero threes %), shoots 46.9% from 2 (which rather sucks for a big) and scores poor 2.9pts with 4 PIR. He's done as a player. I won't question his locker room impact, but that has nothing to do with him being done as a player.
    Badly overpaid? I understand when some madmax doesn't get such thing, smth just not meant to be, but I thought you remember when contract extension was signed, when Zalgiris made it to Final4 and Jankunas had hell of the season, sadly injuries damaged his next one, but still nobody from actual Zalgiris fans complains about the salary, simply for a reason that once he made a major paycheck cuts when Zalgiris was in deep financial crisis, even played for free for some time. Everyone remember that and has no problems that he gets such money now. Not only stats numbers show the value of the player, club also must have some right priorities, which helped Zalgiris as organization to grow lately and be among the best in Europe.
    Done as a player? Can't play in EL? It depends what your expectations were. If you really talk about some lateral quickness, fluid movement, some stats, you probably expected smth that just can't happen. Jankunas never was quick, and he can't be now. For some Lekavicius losing his quickness in few years will end his EL career, cause he has nothing else to offer, with Jankunas it's difference - he gets some small tasks, some things that aint' seen in stats and he is coping with that just fine. Some screen, some help in defense, some other little Jankunas things. Go ask Saras why he keeps useless player in each game for 10-15+min at least. Experience, IQ helps him to stay in this level. He is not major difference maker in EL, but to say that he is not an EL player is plain wrong. Not every player in EL has to have fine stats to be here. Smaller role players are also needed and if one of such is guy like Jankunas I'm more than fine with that. With that I also mean lockerroom presence, which I already wrote about. Every coach values it, every team values it. Just mostly fans doesn't. It's good for us, for a team of Zalgiris caliber, to have Jankunas in our team, even in that reduced role he is now - money means nothing here


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    I'm sure Mindozas and the likes of him would much rather have washed up talisman of the club to blow layup after layup in every game rather than some young solid player who is actually producing on the court for the same amount of money...that wouldn't be good at all, because you know of...reasons and sentiments and freaking nostalgia

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    I'm sure Mindozas and the likes of him would much rather have washed up talisman of the club to blow layup after layup in every game rather than some young solid player who is actually producing on the court for the same amount of money...that wouldn't be good at all, because you know of...reasons and sentiments and freaking nostalgia
    As I wrote previously - you just won't understand it and you just proved my point once again by reversing it all upside down, so just let it go


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    In 16 games (2 extratimes) that Jankunas played, Zalgiris was outscored by 10 points. In Jankunas' 202 minutes or 12.4 mpg or almost 1/3 of the game, Zalgiris outscored opponents by 7 points. And that's with subpar shooting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    Badly overpaid? I understand when some madmax doesn't get such thing, smth just not meant to be, but I thought you remember when contract extension was signed, when Zalgiris made it to Final4 and Jankunas had hell of the season, sadly injuries damaged his next one, but still nobody from actual Zalgiris fans complains about the salary, simply for a reason that once he made a major paycheck cuts when Zalgiris was in deep financial crisis, even played for free for some time. Everyone remember that and has no problems that he gets such money now. Not only stats numbers show the value of the player, club also must have some right priorities, which helped Zalgiris as organization to grow lately and be among the best in Europe.
    Done as a player? Can't play in EL? It depends what your expectations were. If you really talk about some lateral quickness, fluid movement, some stats, you probably expected smth that just can't happen. Jankunas never was quick, and he can't be now. For some Lekavicius losing his quickness in few years will end his EL career, cause he has nothing else to offer, with Jankunas it's difference - he gets some small tasks, some things that aint' seen in stats and he is coping with that just fine. Some screen, some help in defense, some other little Jankunas things. Go ask Saras why he keeps useless player in each game for 10-15+min at least. Experience, IQ helps him to stay in this level. He is not major difference maker in EL, but to say that he is not an EL player is plain wrong. Not every player in EL has to have fine stats to be here. Smaller role players are also needed and if one of such is guy like Jankunas I'm more than fine with that. With that I also mean lockerroom presence, which I already wrote about. Every coach values it, every team values it. Just mostly fans doesn't. It's good for us, for a team of Zalgiris caliber, to have Jankunas in our team, even in that reduced role he is now - money means nothing here

    That's why I said, I don't even talk about the thing he's badly overpaid, because I knew that story and back than it looked logical choice even if risky. But, sorry, at the moment, for Jankunas' role which to be honest would probably be none existant already if that wouldn't be Jankunas (I disagree that he good with these small tasks, he tries to, sometimes deals with that, sometimes not, more often not, specially at offensive end) to earn some 600 thousand Euros is just too much. Saras says that because he says what organisation has to say under given circumstances. Would he come and say, "oh, boy, that thing with Jankunas, what a nightmare, who knew". No, he protects club's decision and looking for the right word to encourage the player. Obviously he brags about his locker room presence as there basically zero in the court. OK, he still does few things decently, he's not complete joke at defence still, still can box out, rebound, use his defensive IQ, but it goes with such a small packages these days, that in his 12 minutes he manages to blow some bunnies and to lay on the floor with ridiculous fashion, he's done and Zalgiris almost desperately tries to still utilize him in best possible ways, but it is basically impossible. That's why Saras starts him, as he used to start punks not to screw the game. He's looking for best options ti deal with the mess, but it's not working. Even if you would be right, he's still decent little role EL player, such player's do not make his money's. I don't care about circumstances of past, in this season's perspective alone, he's badly overpaid. I could argue that Zalgiris could have Deon Thomson for half of Jankunas salary and he would give more in those 12-14 minutes, just giving and example.
    Jankunas is Zalgiris legend, so he deserve such treatment, but he would barely help even current Rytas. He's done.
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    Here's Lekavicius 23pts agains Maccabi. We badly need this kind of Lekavicius, the one who shoots threes, not only floaters and mid range jumpers. He didn't shot much and struggled a little bit with it in other ways very solid WC 2019. Only 9 shots and 33,3% made. He also struggled with that in the first phase of this EL season, but lately delivering and his % growing to 34,5%. This is not good enough, because he's EL career (6 straight seasons) three point shooting as at very solid 39.1% (99/253).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5U6vXJRTfs

    As NT 2020 goes these player's should and can improve their shooting compared to 2019:

    Lekavicius to shoot around 39%
    Grigonis (from 33,3%) to shoot around 40% (EL career 42%, Eurocup's 47.5%)
    Kuzminskas (from 27.3%) to around 36% (El career)

    Only Kalnietis shot the ball well from three in WC, others struggled even compared to their status quo.

    Let first thee players alone to shoot more and with their more usual %, and we instantly improve our team's three point shooting %. This is another reason why I want Kulboka at 4, he's one of the best shooters already, and the best at 4 surely.
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    OK, guys I'm starting to see new way how to utilize JV without slowing down and freezing the whole offence. Keep him at the three point line and let him shoot threes. And I'm serious here. JV never got a green light to truly shoot threes. It's time for that green light, IMO. In last 10 games JV shoots 63.6% threes with 1.5 shots per game in a season. In the season he shoots impressive 45.5%. I say let's keep him in the perimeter most of the time and give him 2-4 shots from downtown, if he makes them with at least 36%, I believe we may find the gold line offensively. JV wouldn't even score himself, but would leave wide open paint area for Sabonis. Also staying in the perimeter would allow him to come back to transition D much more effectively which is often a problem. Also this would open up driving lines to Kuzminskas, the guy who has to become a vital offensive piece for us. We never had center who shoots 45.5% from three, not for a half a season AFAIK. Let's keep JV and some Kulboka/Maciulis for a spot up shooting, let's run p'n'r with Kalnietis, Sabonis and allow a lot of driving freedom to Grigonis, Kuzminskas, Lekavicius. This way we involve all our best offensive players without reducing our BB to slow, primitive pounding the ball inside BB. Off course, JV's p'n'r issue remains unsolved (again the idea to switch everything was as dumb as it gets by Adomaitis, I remember Kazlauskas at least tried to use trapping and hedging or whatever, but Adomaitis never even tried), but at least this would allow to use JV offensively playing up to date basketball. I would suggest JV staying at perimeter in most cases and posting up occasionally. He also has that super pump fake which somehow always work and he would make some points while driving from the perimeter. I hope our scouts and coaches don't sleep because JV proved he can shoot. Hell, his NBA career three point shooting is 38.2%. JV has to step up into Myles Tuner's shoes to make any sense of JV and Sabonis due.
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    JV was always a very good shooter since he always had a very clean looking shooting mechanics and he is usually a great FT shooter as well. The only reason he doesn't shoot 3s in FIBA yet is because solely of outdated inept coaching and the fact that he's the only elite post up big our NT has had for a while (until Sabonis proves himself that he can be as efficient as JV posting up, that is)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    That's why I said, I don't even talk about the thing he's badly overpaid, because I knew that story and back than it looked logical choice even if risky. But, sorry, at the moment, for Jankunas' role which to be honest would probably be none existant already if that wouldn't be Jankunas (I disagree that he good with these small tasks, he tries to, sometimes deals with that, sometimes not, more often not, specially at offensive end) to earn some 600 thousand Euros is just too much. Saras says that because he says what organisation has to say under given circumstances. Would he come and say, "oh, boy, that thing with Jankunas, what a nightmare, who knew". No, he protects club's decision and looking for the right word to encourage the player. Obviously he brags about his locker room presence as there basically zero in the court. OK, he still does few things decently, he's not complete joke at defence still, still can box out, rebound, use his defensive IQ, but it goes with such a small packages these days, that in his 12 minutes he manages to blow some bunnies and to lay on the floor with ridiculous fashion, he's done and Zalgiris almost desperately tries to still utilize him in best possible ways, but it is basically impossible. That's why Saras starts him, as he used to start punks not to screw the game. He's looking for best options ti deal with the mess, but it's not working. Even if you would be right, he's still decent little role EL player, such player's do not make his money's. I don't care about circumstances of past, in this season's perspective alone, he's badly overpaid. I could argue that Zalgiris could have Deon Thomson for half of Jankunas salary and he would give more in those 12-14 minutes, just giving and example.
    Jankunas is Zalgiris legend, so he deserve such treatment, but he would barely help even current Rytas. He's done.
    You don't even want to talk about money, but all your post is about that? C'mon. You say you don't care about past, but exactly that matters here. You knew the story, but I see you don't get it. He never sign any 600k deal, it was way lower. But thats not the point. Even if he deserved that money back then, at that moment as top10 player in EL, but that deal was more like "thank you" for all these years, like giving smth back to captain from club side, his last big deal. Even then it actually would be too much for some regular Zalgiris player, who is 34yo. Everyone knew it, like everyone gets that now his salary is higher that his market value, way higher. But nobody gives a rat ass about that. Nor Motiejunas, nor Saras, nor players, nor any sane Zalgiris fan. So your interpretation of Saras words is just absurd to say the least. Not only from this perspective, but from point of Saras like a person, he is probably the last person in LT bball world who would talk this way having smth else in mind. Also Saras played in environment, where such things happened, when veterans, club legends were overpaid in final years, but nobody were questioning it, cause understood why it is happening. It's just a matter of pure respect. If such word means smth to you, I hope it does. Also Motiejunas never signs a player without Saras knowledge, never. Just don't create smth to base your arguments Only first part of your last sentence makes some sense, but it totally contradict all the stuff you wrote previously. "Jankunas deserves, but he doesn't deserve" basically.
    Regarding on-court stuff, I already wrote everything in previous post, no point to repeat myself again. You can always want more from any player, but I'm fine with what Jankunas brings now. Zalgiris doesn't suffer with Jankunas being on court the way you are trying to picture it. Btw, that Rytas remark is one of the funniest I read lately I mean you can convince yourself at times to some strange limits, how some player is that good or that bad


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    Well, par axellence example when explicit answer gives more clearance. As you are more familiar with Zalgiris inside situation, this narrative makes sense. However, it's not about how much damage a player do, but the value he brings. To me, Jankunas is done as a player, at least he has been thus far in El, maybe he'll surprise in second half which I doubt. It's really nothing to brag about, his performance is so irrelevant, no-one would feel the difference whenever he's in or not, talking about freakin' ball game, not off court things. He had one good against Fener in 17 games. In last 6 games he had three scoreless games and averages 0.6pts. He also makes defensive mistakes that he barely ever make, that what declined lateral quickness does to you.
    Regarding Rytas, I don't see Jankunas at 4 any more and Echodas is better player now at 5. No brainer. Or even Kairys. Thus, I barely see Jankunas.
    I won;t go deeper, I don't like discussing about Zalgiris with Zalgiris fans, even if you're one of the best cases of such I've meat virtually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Here's Lekavicius 23pts agains Maccabi. We badly need this kind of Lekavicius, the one who shoots threes, not only floaters and mid range jumpers. He didn't shot much and struggled a little bit with it in other ways very solid WC 2019. Only 9 shots and 33,3% made. He also struggled with that in the first phase of this EL season, but lately delivering and his % growing to 34,5%. This is not good enough, because he's EL career (6 straight seasons) three point shooting as at very solid 39.1% (99/253).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5U6vXJRTfs

    As NT 2020 goes these player's should and can improve their shooting compared to 2019:

    Lekavicius to shoot around 39%
    Grigonis (from 33,3%) to shoot around 40% (EL career 42%, Eurocup's 47.5%)
    Kuzminskas (from 27.3%) to around 36% (El career)

    Only Kalnietis shot the ball well from three in WC, others struggled even compared to their status quo.

    Let first thee players alone to shoot more and with their more usual %, and we instantly improve our team's three point shooting %. This is another reason why I want Kulboka at 4, he's one of the best shooters already, and the best at 4 surely.
    maybe coach not running a single play to get an open three point shot caused percentage to drop? zalgiris definitely knows how to get their players good shots. so hopefully maskoliunas going to use some of the plays they use in zalgiris cuz i think grigonis or even giedraitis could become a deadly weapon offensively, not only making threes, but getting jv and sabonis open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Well, par axellence example when explicit answer gives more clearance. As you are more familiar with Zalgiris inside situation, this narrative makes sense. However, it's not about how much damage a player do, but the value he brings. To me, Jankunas is done as a player, at least he has been thus far in El, maybe he'll surprise in second half which I doubt. It's really nothing to brag about, his performance is so irrelevant, no-one would feel the difference whenever he's in or not, talking about freakin' ball game, not off court things. He had one good against Fener in 17 games. In last 6 games he had three scoreless games and averages 0.6pts. He also makes defensive mistakes that he barely ever make, that what declined lateral quickness does to you.
    Again, you are asking from him smth he can't deliver anymore. One good game out of 17? It'd be about Jankunas from few years ago, not current one. Just change your view, expectations. Even tho he might hit a bit better shape on spring, cause of busy summer/September with NT, but it won't be miracles. Now he just must bring some solidness and experience. Anyway, I see that we simply see the things way too different here. Just one more note that "Done as a player" is way too harsh to say. Done as key player in EL, then yes, but as rotation player he is ok, as player in some LKL he is more than fine. If Jankunas is doing good there, then majority league players might be done too (j/k)

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    Regarding Rytas, I don't see Jankunas at 4 any more and Echodas is better player now at 5. No brainer. Or even Kairys. Thus, I barely see Jankunas.
    I won;t go deeper, I don't like discussing about Zalgiris with Zalgiris fans, even if you're one of the best cases of such I've meat virtually.
    Hehe, I've told you once that reading Lith bball sites comments sections would do only harm to you Now you see biased persons everywhere, even deep down inside your mind you know that it's not like that. You must get rid of that habit What I meant is that Rytas is just plain bad nowadays, every Rytas fan should admit it, I have few friends who supports Rytas and its even not that fun to make some jokes on them even here I think Dreamcatcher raised the question that it might be the worst roster ever. Might be, at least this century probably yes, but it was always complicated for me to compare that wide time period and I'm not too big expert of Rytas, not watching them every game. But still it's enough to see that the gap between the clubs is big nowadays. So it looks like way over the top to say that Jankunas or any other Zalgiris rotation player wouldn't help current Rytas. I wouldn't even put Kairys into discussion here, he wouldn't survive a single EL game, but the same Echodas probably wouldn't too. Let's say even in LKL he has similar efficiency with the same Jankunas, one is key player in Rytas, other rotation one in Zalgiris. So it's not about how good Jankunas is, but how bad Rytas is nowadays. Let's say I hoped that Echodas will fill Parakhouski shoes, will be leader of the team, will make step towards NT maybe, but even poor Kairys raised a question who should be main C... Echodas is just too soft, with quite low bball IQ. Well, at least he started to hit some jumpers. I don't know, from my point of view, Jankunas would be very usefull there going into Eurocup Top16, with some toughness, experience, could easily switch 4-5 on this level. But it feels too strange to even discuss about Jankunas in Rytas, knowing all the history so let's leave it where it is and agree to disagree at some points


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    Let's agree to disagree. I would be willing to say Jankunas is done in EL, you still value his impact. In LKL his still decent, but he barely can play in EL any more. Regarding Echodas, he simply inconsistent, he can score 26 or 20 in Eurocup, but he can also score 2. His problem lies in D particularly, but I do think he could explode offensively in some games in EL already, just as he had some nice games against Zalgiris this season. He goes up and down defensively, but people forget he's only 22yo still, he's young. The fact that Valencia was interested in him this off season says a lot. Personally I think Echodas is already better player than Jankunas. Echodas may suck in some particular games at D, but also can left a heavy weight in some other and score the bunch of points. IMO, the trajectory may be rather similar to Gudaitis. He was pretty good in Rytas, but than he went to EL and delivered there. Just Echodas needs to add still a bit more weight in off season and he's ready to start learning in EL, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Let's agree to disagree. I would be willing to say Jankunas is done in EL, you still value his impact. In LKL his still decent, but he barely can play in EL any more. Regarding Echodas, he simply inconsistent, he can score 26 or 20 in Eurocup, but he can also score 2. His problem lies in D particularly, but I do think he could explode offensively in some games in EL already, just as he had some nice games against Zalgiris this season. He goes up and down defensively, but people forget he's only 22yo still, he's young. The fact that Valencia was interested in him this off season says a lot. Personally I think Echodas is already better player than Jankunas. Echodas may suck in some particular games at D, but also can left a heavy weight in some other and score the bunch of points. IMO, the trajectory may be rather similar to Gudaitis. He was pretty good in Rytas, but than he went to EL and delivered there. Just Echodas needs to add still a bit more weight in off season and he's ready to start learning in EL, IMO.
    Gudaitis was tougher. Echodas couldn't match physicality of EL IMO,not now. Let's say Landale who has bigger body and is more talented had problems adjusting to EL and still is. He would be just weak link in defense and would be pushed around in the paint. Eurocup and EL level is really different on that matter. Against Zalgiris he did pretty much nothing, once he was bad and played limited time, cause Blazevic looked better, the last time fouled out quite quickly. Well, and we all know that Zalgiris doesn't give it all in LKL regular season. I could hardly see him i.e. in Zalgiris, cause of softness and he would have troubles to adjust to Saras schemes, cause his game reading is quite poor. Maybe Echodas would get his chance in some Alba, where defense is less important, but still thats questionable IMO. Yeah, I'm aware of his age, but I want players to improve year by year, season by season, while Echodas being a main C had to have more impact on team game IMO. Maybe some psychological issues appears there, hard to say, but I was expecting a bit more from him


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    And Lekavicius shoots 39.4% threes now which is his EL career %. He stepping up nicely. 10,2pts, 2,5as in 19min is solid. Too bad Grigonis gone, it would be another story with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    And Lekavicius shoots 39.4% threes now which is his EL career %. He stepping up nicely. 10,2pts, 2,5as in 19min is solid. Too bad Grigonis gone, it would be another story with him.
    He's been amazing these two games, but as soon as real started to switch he was struggling. I want to see him even more confident with his shot. He sometimes passes good shots for worse ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svajunas View Post
    He's been amazing these two games, but as soon as real started to switch he was struggling. I want to see him even more confident with his shot. He sometimes passes good shots for worse ones.
    Lekavicius is the best when he can utilize p'n'r situations. When defenders switching everything, he's most often in trouble. However, he's deadly in transition and he showed that in NT perfectly. What I really somehow miss in Zalgiris is more of a transition BB. To me, it's illogical to slow things down while you don't have a single true PG. Really sick and tired to see Walkup kneading the damn ball meaningless and wasting the time. Let the scrubs run and score No, seriously, how Ulanovas can't make an open shots, is beyond me. Just put the damn ball down. He can really shoot, he's experienced, but somehow something is not clicking, like he's missing some motivation or swagger that Jonas Maciulis always had f.e. (I kinda projected the same career for Ulanovas, but now it seems he'll never reach Maciulis level). I agree with Lekavicius should simply even be more decisive, he's the best scoring guard in the team at the moment, since Grigonis out. Simply Zalgiris has no better options, and if not Lekavicius, it would probably be a sweep for Zalgiris. The guy dropped 18pts in the first half, it's like to drop 28pts in 2 quarters in the NBA. Anyway, here's all Lekavicius buckets in 2019 WC, for his fans:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OwtzxQUNv8
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    Sharas explained that manny times.

    He wants zalgiris players making even more fauls and make game even more slower that gives zalgiris the best chance to win.Make game slow offensively for opponent with good prepared zalgiris defence and smart ball movement offensively.Zalgiris don't wanna run with those euroleague teams and be smoked out of building by teams like Madrid playing faster.

    In open race and free movement game bigger tallent team will win.Zalgiris wants to be game under 75 always, be slower physical battle .

    For Lukas that running style fits better for sure, but for zalgiris as a team that's big no no.

    Same goes for NT we don't wanna run having Sabonis and Valanciunas we want to be slower physical battle.That best plan for what we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Sharas explained that manny times.

    He wants zalgiris players making even more fauls and make game even more slower that gives zalgiris the best chance to win.Make game slow offensively for opponent with good prepared zalgiris defence and smart ball movement offensively.Zalgiris don't wanna run with those euroleague teams and be smoked out of building by teams like Madrid playing faster.

    In open race and free movement game bigger tallent team will win.Zalgiris wants to be game under 75 always, be slower physical battle .

    For Lukas that running style fits better for sure, but for zalgiris as a team that's big no no.

    Same goes for NT we don't wanna run having Sabonis and Valanciunas we want to be slower physical battle.That best plan for what we have.
    No-one speaks about run and gun a la Latin America type of basketball off course Even though Alba this season has as much wins as Zalgiris (just interesting remark). I talk about more possibilities to run in offence. One thing is to slow down opposition offence, other to slow down your own offence. With Saras, as long as he's in Zalgiris, it will always be more about set offence with precise sets and so on, but generally it's on player's to see opportunities. Saras in the podcast said very clearly, whenever it's third or twenty third second of possession, the goal is to get off with a good shot. Saras doesn't demand to slow the game down as you say, nothing even close, his teams with Pangos, White and even coast to coast Davies, often run and did it well. At times even current Zalgiris does it well, IMO, both Walkup and Lekavicius are way better at transition BB than set offence. I simply asking for a bit more of transition BB. And don't compare Zalgiris with NT. Saras' Zalgiris never had beefy centers, true bruisers. This season it's even a real desert, there's not even a single guy who can trully handle EL physicality, don't compare those punks with Sabonis and JV or even Gudaitis. That's whole another story. This Zalgiris team is not playing through bigs, maybe Saras would like to, but he needs to prepare rookies for that first.
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