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Originally posted by Hepcat View PostI agree. Arvydas Sabonis and the LKF should make every effort to shake Marius Grigonis and maybe a PG loose from Žalgiris for a few days in February. All that's needed is a stretch limo to pick those players up in Kaunas for the 75 minute drive to Vilnius (unless they'd rather take the train). Žalgiris owes Lithuanian fans at least that much for all their support in the last 30+ years.
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I can't believe this discussion is about Grigonis and Lekavicius should play against Denmark. By the way, are they any property? Did you ask them if they would like to play so many games in the short stretch and so on? And why then Domantas and JV don't take a plain and spent some few days for the sake of Lith basketball and your good feeling?
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Originally posted by Mindozas View PostYeah, Sabas should arrange limo, girls, drinks for players or at worse come to Motiejunas office with some gang armed with AK-47 to show who is the boss in Lithuanian bball. I will be very disappointed in Sabas if he won't do it
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Very few Lithuanians had that cluths genes in them that is not common in how lithuanians characters overall are.
Jasikevicius,Macijauskas,Kleiza,Maciulis and new edition Grigonis.
4 Kaunas street fearless pacanai and Klaipeda street pride Macas
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Originally posted by Shawshank View PostVery few Lithuanians had that cluths genes in them that is not common in how lithuanians characters overall are.
Jasikevicius,Macijauskas,Kleiza,Maciulis and new edition Grigonis.
4 Kaunas street fearless pacanai and Klaipeda street pride MacasLTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Jeez, I'm waiting for the day when we will have any human beings and not robots in federation. Spokas with the same formal, emotionless reports. Monotonous voice "we have to qualify for Eurobasket" while it must be "our fucking ass is burning for more than half of year now". I don't remember when he gave actual interview, I mean where he really expressed concerns, problems, some apprehension, would actually talk as a human being, would express any thoughts on Maskoliunas job...Nothing. Federation remains super calm, robotic with 2016, 2017, 2019 failures and dreadful "Maskoliunas' era"... Hell or high water, they will act this way exactly. If they will fail with both EB and OG quallies, they will just say, it wasn't all that bad, the result is more or less objective, what can you do with the same formal style as always.LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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This time it's not even about goals. I'm Ok with 1 to 8 spots (at least now). But I really miss emotions. Ever since Balciunas/Garastas I guess. When Sabonis came to federation there were some signs of life in him still, but now...Spokas is a robot, he can't say anything sincerely, he's always the same. Sabonis is gone. When we had Kazkauskas, he was personality and it was great to listen to him. Hell, even Adomaitis was able to say real things, to say how it is. Now, it's fucking dead end. Living dead federation and Maskoliunas with his moon walking coaching and pre game speeches...LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Originally posted by Straight forward View PostThis time it's not even about goals. I'm Ok with 1 to 8 spots (at least now). But I really miss emotions. Ever since Balciunas/Garastas I guess. When Sabonis came to federation there were some signs of life in him still, but now...Spokas is a robot, he can't say anything sincerely, he's always the same. Sabonis is gone. When we had Kazkauskas, he was personality and it was great to listen to him. Hell, even Adomaitis was able to say real things, to say how it is. Now, it's fucking dead end. Living dead federation and Maskoliunas with his moon walking coaching and pre game speeches...
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Nah, that's not my point. My point is that there's no connection between federation and basketball community, there's no communicators, pernsonalities that would make connection with fans, community. It's not about panicking or accusing anyone publicly, it's about communicating BB life, NT life. Public relations are not sufficient of this federation, NT relevance is decreasing not only because of lack of talent that we had recently, but overall. It wasn't like Balciunas or Garastas attacking coaches or anything, no, but they were the ones who could give sincere, informal interviews, expressing some thoughts in human language. The problem with this federation we don't hear any reaction after losses, after failed tournaments, zero...You don't have to be non PRO emotional freak if you give informal interview and you don't have to be always super strictly formal or absolutely silent like Sabas, there's something between that With this federation there's just no reaction happens. When Sabonis hired Adomaitis, people talked that Sabas hires him and he will take responsability for that...when Adomaitis failed and resigned what exactly Sabonis did or said, how he took resposibility?...Nothing, like zero...I guess what he did is that he hired Maskoliunas...
I mean, give me a shabby interview before do or die game of the NT...freakin' shabby interview with human language and human answers, anyone from federation if Spokas and Sabas can't give that. Like...are coaches going to study Denmark team this time? What is the possibility to get some Euroleague players for do or die game? Why Lithuania keeps losing now, while we were winning everything in WC windows? Nah, let's have forth fiasko in a fucking row and silently please I think some urgency would actually help, because sleeping beauty may wake up a little bit, who knows...
Anyway, that's my take. Burning Maskoliunas on the campfire now wouldn't help, but some actual signs that NT still matters would be handy to say the least...
And the worst things is that this federation is not making the job done silently...We have been a mess since 2016 results wise and now with ridiculous fiaskos one after another their carriage didn't change a bit. I don't think these guys conform your definition. These guys silently fail.LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Originally posted by Straight forward View PostNah, that's not my point. My point is that there's no connection between federation and basketball community, there's no communicators, pernsonalities that would make connection with fans, community. It's not about panicking or accusing anyone publicly, it's about communicating BB life, NT life. Public relations are not sufficient of this federation, NT relevance is decreasing not only because of lack of talent that we had recently, but overall. It wasn't like Balciunas or Garastas attacking coaches or anything, no, but they were the ones who could give sincere, informal interviews, expressing some thoughts in human language. The problem with this federation we don't hear any reaction after losses, after failed tournaments, zero...You don't have to be non PRO emotional freak if you give informal interview and you don't have to be always super strictly formal or absolutely silent like Sabas, there's something between that With this federation there's just no reaction happens. When Sabonis hired Adomaitis, people talked that Sabas hires him and he will take responsability for that...when Adomaitis failed and resigned what exactly Sabonis did or said, how he took resposibility?...Nothing, like zero...I guess what he did is that he hired Maskoliunas...
I mean, give me a shabby interview before do or die game of the NT...freakin' shabby interview with human language and human answers, anyone from federation if Spokas and Sabas can't give that. Like...are coaches going to study Denmark team this time? What is the possibility to get some Euroleague players for do or die game? Why Lithuania keeps losing now, while we were winning everything in WC windows? Nah, let's have forth fiasko in a fucking row and silently please I think some urgency would actually help, because sleeping beauty may wake up a little bit, who knows...
Anyway, that's my take. Burning Maskoliunas on the campfire now wouldn't help, but some actual signs that NT still matters would be handy to say the least...
Anyway, if you think that previous federations were great that let me remind you the same Ilgauskas case. How many lies we've heard. That was exactly the case when they better could've stayed silent. Also no one took responsibility after 2001 disaster, when federation screwed up and our best coach Kazlauskas took the blame on himslef and no one was there to stop him in the heat of the moment, everyone went in turtle mode, hiding their heads. No one was there to resolve Kaukenas and Sireika conflict. No one stopped Sireika from doing idiotic corrections in coaching staff in 2004. He even kept his job. Then funnily federation waiting for Sireika to fail in 2006 just to fire him. Garastas fought a personal war and even openly critisized NT before the tournament, so that Sireika didn't want to go to Japan... No one chopped Butautas head after two failures, yeah failures, and he continued even tho another one was about to happen. He simply suited federation well. Then federation's inability to share the money with NT support fund, how many conflicts there were back in 00s, Garastas vs Pavilonis, everyone wanted the bigger part of cake, especially before 2011. That just few examples that popped into my head, I bet I could think of more. Not that it makes this federation great, but the grass wasn't greener back then.
And yes, popularity of NT directly collaborate with strenght of the team. It goes up and down in masses. When we have a great one to fight for podium it's on top, if not - ok, whateva. Now it's somewhere in the middle. There was major drop from 1996 to 1997, it was the same before 2000, before 2010 and it hugely rose very next year and etc etc. None federation did anything remarkable towards that, it comes naturally. In 90s we overall didn;t have almost any connection with NT, some articles in press, some short interviews in news, 30mins of "Krepsinio pasaulyjeeee", we were glad to have TV broadcasting main tournaments, but till 1997 NT was on top and you could barely see people outside when it played. But in 1997 suddenly not so. In 2004 sky high, in 2005 not so. To me the reasons are quite obvious. Now when you can follow NT, players in every way possible, personal social networks, podcasts, media, it's only up to people to be interested, but we have so many other things to do either.
Originally posted by Straight forward View PostAnd the worst things is that this federation is not making the job done silently...We have been a mess since 2016 results wise and now with ridiculous fiaskos one after another their carriage didn't change a bit. I don't think these guys conform your definition. These guys silently fail.
I'm not denying federation mistakes and never did, and for sure Sabas is no master of communication, but putting all the blame on federation about everything that's just not fair
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OK, some really good insights, previous federation wasn't perfect either, and surely NT results reflect it's popularity, but at least we agree that this federation has obvious communication problems. And also, let's agree, hiring Maskoliunas has been a disaster thus far, it's fact, real disaster. Now it's not only vital question whenever we qualify to EB and OG, but it's obvious that basically all BB community don't treat Maskoliunas as a head coach and don't think he can lead NT. The situation is really shitty just before most crucial stretch of Olympic cycle. It's the worst pre OLympic situation ever. In 1992, 1996 we had Garastas, in 2000, 2016 Kazlauskas, in 2012 Kemzura, in 2004 and 2008 we had stacked teams who could ball even without a coach, but at least Sireika and Butautas were legitimate head coaches. Now we have an assistant who is trying to figure it out what's the carriage (physical and mental) of the head coach while losing ridiculous games...Current NT still needs a good coach to do well and that makes our situation really shitty at this point.LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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What are the chances that Maskoliūnas was hired to keep seat warm for Saras?The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!
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