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[2nd round] Group J: SRB-SPA-ITA-PUR
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Serbia still having trouble with aggressive D, then relying on outside shooting, and the end result is a lot of missed 3s that "should go in". I don't think Argentina will be too much trouble for them, but playing the states will really test their composure on offense and their perimeter D. That is, if the US get past France/Australia, who are imo a much more difficult matchup than Serbia.
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Originally posted by CoachZ View PostSalty
If you only gave me the same courtesy after I told you how this Spanish team will have to play and be successful. After all, I was 100% correct
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@CoachZ I was unable to see the game but I'm quite surprised to see your comments towards Bogdanovic. I see he had 26 points with good efficiency while closest guy had EIGHT points, Bogdan also had 10 rebounds and 6 assists. It's a great offensive performance.
If I understand correctly, you complain about his shooting too many shots and making defensive mistakes. Bogdan I know seldom makes defensive mistakes and doesn't shy away from defensive duties. So he either changed completely as a player or he conserves energy in defense as Djordjevic plays him 35 minutes and forces almost all offense through him (number of shots)?
As I said, we know that Bogdan is not a player like Fournier that is a living trebuchet with no intention to pass. He is also not a bad player in defense in FIBA level. It's on Djordjevic to not utilize Jokic correctly and burn Bogdan out in offense. You can't do everything in offense and also be the best defender in defense.Dilimde şarkıların gündüz gece
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Oh well, congrats to Spain. Better preparation, more hustle, better coaching, simply better team on the day.
I still remain cautiously optimistic about Serbia and about our chances of winning the whole thing, despite the evidence to the contrary.
Bogdan was excellent today, nobody else showed up.
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This is actually good. Wake up call for the fans and players. They already start self-proclaiming themselves as the next world champions (just check Serbian comment section on some youtube video or Serbian medias). Now we either go home in next one or two games or we go all the way through and win. Black & white situation, I like it.
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Originally posted by vivo View PostIt's on Djordjevic to not utilize Jokic correctly and burn Bogdan out in offense. You can't do everything in offense and also be the best defender in defense.
Having Jokic orchestrate from the top of the paint or outside the three point line is pointless imo because Bogdan is really the only guy you have to focus on off-ball (Bjelica some days).
Asking Jokic to play down low and dominate is risky as it takes a toll on the body (and the no defensive 3 second rule in FIBA makes it easier to guard bigs in the paint) but I believe it is the way to go as it puts more pressure on the opposing D. But for that to be effective, guys other than Bogdan and Bjelica need to hit the open/partly-contested threes.
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Originally posted by 3.14159 View PostI think the problem is that you can't really utilize Jokic the same way as in Denver because you don't have the shooting, athleticism and guard play on this Serbia squad. I've always maintained that much of Jokic's success in the NBA is a product of his teammates and a great system by Malone which amplifies his gifted skillset.
Having Jokic orchestrate from the top of the paint or outside the three point line is pointless imo because Bogdan is really the only guy you have to focus on off-ball (Bjelica some days).
Asking Jokic to play down low and dominate is risky as it takes a toll on the body (and the no defensive 3 second rule in FIBA makes it easier to guard bigs in the paint) but I believe it is the way to go as it puts more pressure on the opposing D. But for that to be effective, guys other than Bogdan and Bjelica need to hit the open/partly-contested threes.
Completely agree .
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Originally posted by vivo View Post@CoachZ I was unable to see the game but I'm quite surprised to see your comments towards Bogdanovic. I see he had 26 points with good efficiency while closest guy had EIGHT points, Bogdan also had 10 rebounds and 6 assists. It's a great offensive performance.
If I understand correctly, you complain about his shooting too many shots and making defensive mistakes. Bogdan I know seldom makes defensive mistakes and doesn't shy away from defensive duties. So he either changed completely as a player or he conserves energy in defense as Djordjevic plays him 35 minutes and forces almost all offense through him (number of shots)?
As I said, we know that Bogdan is not a player like Fournier that is a living trebuchet with no intention to pass. He is also not a bad player in defense in FIBA level. It's on Djordjevic to not utilize Jokic correctly and burn Bogdan out in offense. You can't do everything in offense and also be the best defender in defense.
Don't misunderstand me, he can play much tougher and more disciplined defense than this, but in this game he was absolute horror against players that are smaller than him nevertheless.
The key issue still remains, mismanaging Nikola Jokic and his role on this team. Like I said, he needs to play as a C and you have to surround him with mobility and shooting. So, Jovic/Micic, Bogdanovic, Guduric, Bjelica/Lucic and Jokic are the lineups that you can strive for. Playing guys like Raduljica and Milutinov next to him just clogs the paint and leaves us exposed in terms of ball movement, spacing and ability to shoot.
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Originally posted by 3.14159 View PostI think the problem is that you can't really utilize Jokic the same way as in Denver because you don't have the shooting, athleticism and guard play on this Serbia squad. I've always maintained that much of Jokic's success in the NBA is a product of his teammates and a great system by Malone which amplifies his gifted skillset.
Having Jokic orchestrate from the top of the paint or outside the three point line is pointless imo because Bogdan is really the only guy you have to focus on off-ball (Bjelica some days).
Asking Jokic to play down low and dominate is risky as it takes a toll on the body (and the no defensive 3 second rule in FIBA makes it easier to guard bigs in the paint) but I believe it is the way to go as it puts more pressure on the opposing D. But for that to be effective, guys other than Bogdan and Bjelica need to hit the open/partly-contested threes.
- Micic 37.1% from 3pt last season in EL, he can also create for others and slash
- Guduric 47.7% from 3pt last season in EL, he can also be a secondary creator, microwave shooter but needs volume and confidence
- Lucic 41.8% from 3pt although a pure catch'n'shoot guy, SF/PF athlete
- Bircevic 37.8% from 3pt, he is a cancer on defense and terrible rebounder but he can shoot.
Again, these guys have to be involved and this is why smaller lineups are needed for Jokic to get room inside and space the floor. If you Play Jokic/Milutinov inside that's already 2 non-shooters, if Jovic is your PG then that's 3. So, having max 2 shooters on the floor, or even 1 if you count Lucic out if he plays at 3, is just a terrible option.
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Serbia needs hunger instead of media telling them they won, before the championship even started. In that regard, that loss should work better than majority expected. It would come eventualy, luckily for them, it wasn't in the elimination stages.
Serbia is easily the tallest team in this tournament, confident enough not having to check it anywhere. Even without Marjanović.
And in the times, when it seems guard roles are getting bigger within the game and the whole world is getting "wide", Djordjević seeks for sort of a renesaince of "tall". Kind of within the mentality of coach Ivković which dreamed of, having a lineup of 5 guys 2 meter tall, that could repeatedly switch everything.
12 players, 4C's and only 4 guards, I don't get it. 1 guard injured and 1 fouling out and that can be a ruined turnament for such a cheap reason...
Spain played some great defensive game, took some risks that paid off. First time, for my taste, that Ricky Rubio played a good game for the national team. For most games I remember he was explicitly hurting the team, kind of didn't fit in, this time he showed a glimpse of what people predicted he would become, when he was 16.
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The key issue still remains, mismanaging Nikola Jokic and his role on this team. Like I said, he needs to play as a C and you have to surround him with mobility and shooting. So, Jovic/Micic, Bogdanovic, Guduric, Bjelica/Lucic and Jokic are the lineups that you can strive for. Playing guys like Raduljica and Milutinov next to him just clogs the paint and leaves us exposed in terms of ball movement, spacing and ability to shoot.Originally posted by Jon_KoncakThat's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"
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