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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemanja View Post
    Are you serious? He may start ,but if he plays more than 5 minutes,its disaster .What Simonovic give Serbia what other players dont ? Bircevic is backup power forward in luck of good power forwards in Serbia .
    I don't know what you have against Simonovic, but he has played quite a lot of minutes in some friendly matches and it wasn't a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell Armstrong View Post
    I don't know what you have against Simonovic, but he has played quite a lot of minutes in some friendly matches and it wasn't a disaster.
    Same thing that protects Raduljica in his eyes, even though dude is a recreational player since the 2016 Olympics

    One wears the red-and-white, the other black-and-white.

    Besides, I think Simonovic plays the most important position in the team, the dude that steals the trophy

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    Simonovic is all but the worst 12th man in this World Cup... i'd like to have him in Italian Team because he's a killer in few minutes with his 3s and some difense. And, more important, he's not pretending minutes since he knows his role in the team...

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    These are the standings after all teams have played one game:

    1- Lucio Redivo: 6 minutes, 4 misses, 0 points. And this was against Korea
    2- Miroslav Raduljica: 10 minutes, failed to score against Angola
    3- Panagiotis Vasilopoulos: nobody mentioned him, but played 10 minutes and all he did was miss a shot
    4- Mason Plumlee: 5 minutes, 2 misses, 0 points. Grabbed 3 rebounds, though.
    5- Andrei Sopin: played all of 6 seconds, committed a foul
    6- David Barlow: played all of 7 seconds, did nothing
    7- Eger Arar: 0 minutes, blowout game
    8- Paul Lecombe: 0 minutes, contested game
    9- Mark Barroca: 2 points in 6 minutes

    Honorable mention:

    Ariel Filloy: 10 minutes, 7 points. Played against Gilas Pilipinas, though
    Quino Colom: 9 minutes, 3 points and 2 assists. Helped Spain come back against Tunisia.
    Agustín Caffaro: 4 points in 4 minutes. Played against Korea, though

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    A word about the scoring system: 12th men don't play much, so those who didn't get playing time in blowout games will appear higher than those who did not take part in contested games. Then I apply the Groucho Marx rule: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". 12th men who got the chance to play and made clear how useless they really are will appear at the top of the standings, starting with those who had a more negative impact against the weakest competition.
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    Come on Darrell Armstrong you left out the guy who this award should be named after.
    The Fiba World Cup Mason Plumlee award.
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    Worst 12 man is someone on an asian team who never had any playing time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell Armstrong View Post
    These are the standings after all teams have played one game:

    1- Lucio Redivo: 6 minutes, 4 misses, 0 points. And this was against Korea
    2- Miroslav Raduljica: 10 minutes, failed to score against Angola
    3- Panagiotis Vasilopoulos: nobody mentioned him, but played 10 minutes and all he did was miss a shot
    4- Andrei Sopin: played all of 6 seconds, committed a foul
    5- David Barlow: played all of 7 seconds, did nothing
    6- Paul Lecombe: 0 minutes
    6- Eger Arar: 0 minutes
    8- Mark Barroca: 2 points in 6 minutes

    Honorable mention:

    Ariel Filloy: 10 minutes, 7 points. Played against Gilas Pilipinas, though
    Quino Colom: 9 minutes, 3 points and 2 assists. Helped Spain come back against Tunisia.
    Agustín Caffaro: 4 points in 4 minutes. Played against Korea, though
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Come on Darrell Armstrong you left out the guy who this award should be named after.
    The Fiba World Cup Mason Plumlee award.
    Nobody mentioned him. But I think you're right: he has a brilliant resume as a towel boy and jock holder for his more talented teammates. Maybe that's why they called him up again. That, or as a secret weapon against Jokic.

    I'll update the standings.

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    I wasn't sure before the tournament, but I have no doubt now: Sead Šehović for Montenegro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodrigue Beaubois View Post
    I wasn't sure before the tournament, but I have no doubt now: Sead Šehović for Montenegro.
    Sure he's been pretty bad, but I'm not sure he can qualify. There are several players who have played even less minutes for Montenegro, like Marko Todorovic or Aleksa Popovic. Even Nemanja Radovic has played less, even though he has at least made a basket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell Armstrong View Post
    Sure he's been pretty bad, but I'm not sure he can qualify. There are several players who have played even less minutes for Montenegro, like Marko Todorovic or Aleksa Popovic. Even Nemanja Radovic has played less, even though he has at least made a basket.
    But unlike the others you mentioned, every minute on the floor he spent, he just made damage to the team. The guy can't put the ball on the floor, can't shoot, can't play defense, has no court vision... The same can be said for his brother. But those guys have their place cemented in NT because of their political activity, not because of basketball skills. You mentioned Popovic, that guy has very limited basketball knowledge, but at least he gives his 100%, Radovic too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodrigue Beaubois View Post
    But unlike the others you mentioned, every minute on the floor he spent, he just made damage to the team. The guy can't put the ball on the floor, can't shoot, can't play defense, has no court vision... The same can be said for his brother. But those guys have their place cemented in NT because of their political activity, not because of basketball skills. You mentioned Popovic, that guy has very limited basketball knowledge, but at least he gives his 100%, Radovic too.
    I totally agree with you. All I'm saying is that this guy is not the 12th man, more like 8th or 9th. So he could be the worse rotation player in the whole tournament for all I know, but doesn't belong in this list of players whose only role was to sit on the bench and cheer, or at most serving as Human Victory Cigars like David Barlow.

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    China has makan and Abushalamu rotting on the bench, Japn has 3 Kosuke Takeuchi, AverySchafer and Seiya Ando
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    China has makan and Abushalamu rotting on the bench, Japn has 3 Kosuke Takeuchi, AverySchafer and Seiya Ando
    Avery Schafer doesn't sound very Japanese to me...

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    These are the standings after the first round:

    1- Panagiotis Vasilopoulos: 14 minutes, 1 miss, 0 points. Was benched against Brasil, so maybe he's the lucky charm after all
    2- Lucio Redivo: 6 minutes, 4 misses, 0 points. Only saw the court against Korea
    3- Mason Plumlee: 22 minutes, 2 points. Only basket came against Japan
    4- David Barlow: only plays a few seconds at the end of games. Human Victory Cigar
    5- Eger Arar: 0 minutes
    6- Agustín Caffaro: 4 points in 4 minutes. Only played against Korea
    7- Paul Lacombe: played very poorly against Jordan, then redeemed himself against Dominican Republic. 6 points in 27 minutes total
    8- Ariel Filloy: 21 minutes, 7 points. Only played OK against Gilas Pilipinas and didn't see the floor against Serbia

    Honorable mention:

    Mark Barroca: 6 points in 20 minutes. Considering how poorly his teammates have fared, can't point my finger at him
    Miroslav Raduljica: 8 points per game in 11 minutes, not that bad
    Andrei Sopin: played surprisingly well against Argentina: 9 points 4 assists in 22 minutes
    Quino Colom: 24 minutes, 7 points and 6 assists. Only one missed shot. He's making the most of limited minutes

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    A word about the scoring system: 12th men don't play much, so those who didn't get playing time in blowout games will appear higher than those who did not take part in contested games. Then I apply the Groucho Marx rule: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". 12th men who got the chance to play and made clear how useless they really are will appear at the top of the standings, starting with those who had a more negative impact against the weakest competition.

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    I think Raduljica’s performance against Italy in important moments bought him enough credit to not be considered for this list. Bircevic is still in the zone, but in all honesty there are a lot of candidates for less successful squads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vuxsa View Post
    I think Raduljica’s performance against Italy in important moments bought him enough credit to not be considered for this list. Bircevic is still in the zone, but in all honesty there are a lot of candidates for less successful squads.
    Yes, that's why he's an honorable mention. I haven't seen Bircevic play lately, so if someone wants to propose him, I'd have to take his word.

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    Gudurić still totally overhyped at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    I don't see such in Lithuania. All guys deserved their spots, couldn't call anyone as "lucky" or "completely doesn't deserve a spot" case. Sure, some will have little roles, but no lucky tourists this time

    Other teams... maybe from our group David Barlow could be called as lucky to travel to WC. I mean he wasn't even in preliminary roster, but some players from his position withdrew, some got injured and here you go - veteran got a call up. Don't expect much from him, deep bench most likely scenario

    Russia - Andrey Sopin. I know Russia bball not that bad, but raised the eyebrow with the question - who the hell is he, when saw him for the first time? Only google helped he: A guy from second division and even there not a difference maker. He was named to Russian reserve squad in the beginning of the summer, a future reserve, but when massive injury wave hit the squad at the backline, he was called up to NT and now he is in final roster. Crazy. Just cause simply there were no other options. His countrymen Motovilov is similar case, but at least he looked better in preps, so might get bigger minutes.
    Well, Sopin wasn't that bad against Argentina, was he? He played surprisingly well.

    What about Larentzakis from Greece or Kaza Kajami - Keane from Canada?

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    These are the standings after the second round:


    1- Lucio Redivo: played again, and now accumulates 17 minutes. He plays garbage minutes for an unbeaten team and boasts a team-worst -11 +/- How can you do that? Oh yes. Shooting 1/10 from the field. Think about it, played less than two quarters and found a way to shoot 10 times, while turning the ball over 2 times as well. He scored a grand total of 4 points in 13 possessions.
    2- Panagiotis Vasilopoulos: 21 minutes, basically invisible with just 2 missed shots and barely contributing anything
    3- Mason Plumlee: 26 minutes, 2 points. Only basket came against Japan. At least he grabbed some rebounds, which should came as no surprise considering he's a seven footer a half of them were against Japan's soft frontcourt
    4- Ege Arar: finally played! Only 11 minutes, and contributed more personal fouls than points and rebounds combined. So maybe the coach was right leaving him on the bench while the games counted...
    5- David Barlow: only plays a few seconds at the end of games. Human Victory Cigar
    6- Paul Lacombe: played very poorly against Jordan, then redeemed himself against Dominican Republic. 7 points in 27 minutes total. Still to see the court in a contested game
    8- Ariel Filloy: played quite a lot of minutes against Puerto Rico and fouled out
    9- Agustín Caffaro: a per-minute monster averaging 24-12 with 4 blocks and steals per 36 minutes, while shooting 100% from the field. It's amazing what you can do with small samples and naive projections. In reality he has barely played a handful of minutes here and there

    Honorable mention:

    Mark Barroca: 15 points in 45 minutes. Considering how poorly his teammates have fared, can't point my finger at him
    Miroslav Raduljica: has played just 3 more minutes than Bircevic and tops the team in made free throws, an amazing streak of 20 out of 21
    Andrei Sopin: played surprisingly well against Argentina: 9 points 4 assists in 22 minutes. Only played 3 minutes since, doing nothing. One-hit wonder? Maybe, but at least he justified being taken to China
    Quino Colom: 24 minutes, 7 points and 6 assists. Only one missed shot. He's making the most of limited minutes. Has not seen the court in the 2nd round

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    A word about the scoring system: 12th men don't play much, so those who didn't get playing time in blowout games will appear higher than those who did not take part in contested games. Then I apply the Groucho Marx rule: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". 12th men who got the chance to play and made clear how useless they really are will appear at the top of the standings, starting with those who had a more negative impact against the weakest competition.
    Last edited by Darrell Armstrong; 09-09-2019 at 07:19 PM.

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