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    Naturalizations have become "natural" today. According to Eurohoops, there are 12 naturalized players in this tournament.


    • Deon Thompson - Côte d'Ivoire
    • AJ Slaughter - Poland
    • Ricardo Ratliffe - South Korea
    • Michael Roll - Tunisia
    • Andray Blatche - Philippines
    • Reggie Moore - Angola
    • Jeff Brooks - Italy (Italian wife)
    • Blake Schilb - Czech Republic (Czech wife)
    • Scottie Wilbekin - Turkey
    • Nick Fazekas - Japan (He's eligible for the Hungarian passport actually through his grandparents)
    • Derek Needham - Montenegro
    • Dar Tucker - Jordan



    All naturalized players are the US-born.

    This practice goes way back in Europe, but there seems to be an increase in African passports (also Brandon Davies with Uganda). Does it bring an advantage? in ACB especially?

    Also, it's not a naturalization, but Ekpe Udoh is playing for Nigeria, having never lived there (both parents are from Nigeria).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    Naturalizations have become "natural" today. According to Eurohoops, there are 12 naturalized players in this tournament.


    • Deon Thompson - Côte d'Ivoire
    • AJ Slaughter - Poland
    • Ricardo Ratliffe - South Korea
    • Michael Roll - Tunisia
    • Andray Blatche - Philippines
    • Reggie Moore - Angola
    • Jeff Brooks - Italy (Italian wife)
    • Blake Schilb - Czech Republic (Czech wife)
    • Scottie Wilbekin - Turkey
    • Nick Fazekas - Japan (He's eligible for the Hungarian passport actually through his grandparents)
    • Derek Needham - Montenegro
    • Dar Tucker - Jordan



    All naturalized players are the US-born.

    This practice goes way back in Europe, but there seems to be an increase in African passports (also Brandon Davies with Uganda). Does it bring an advantage? in ACB especially?

    Also, it's not a naturalization, but Ekpe Udoh is playing for Nigeria, having never lived there (both parents are from Nigeria).
    Calathes?he got greek passport when he turned 20 years old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italian Pride View Post
    Calathes?he got greek passport when he turned 20 years old
    technically, he's not counted as naturalized due to his Greek ancestry. A bit similar to Chris Kaman case in the past with Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    technically, he's not counted as naturalized due to his Greek ancestry. A bit similar to Chris Kaman case in the past with Germany.
    like jordan clarkson or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italian Pride View Post
    like jordan clarkson or not?
    interesting one. The eligibility due to ancestry is there, and he's in the team together with Blatche, which means yes, his case is like Calathes's.

    However, according to this article; "...the World Cup operates under FIBA rules which could classify him as “naturalised” as he obtained his Filipino passport after the age of 16... However, the Philippine basketball federation (SBP) is trying to convince FIBA to accept Clarkson as a Filipino citizen." Since both Blatche and Clarkson are in the roster, I assume they must have managed to convince FIBA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    interesting one. The eligibility due to ancestry is there, and he's in the team together with Blatche, which means yes, his case is like Calathes's.

    However, according to this article; "...the World Cup operates under FIBA rules which could classify him as “naturalised” as he obtained his Filipino passport after the age of 16... However, the Philippine basketball federation (SBP) is trying to convince FIBA to accept Clarkson as a Filipino citizen." Since both Blatche and Clarkson are in the roster, I assume they must have managed to convince FIBA.
    But Clarkson is not going to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell Armstrong View Post
    But Clarkson is not going to play.
    because we still are not getting fiba clearance. now, clarkson is under rich paul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ja.he View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell Armstrong View Post
    But Clarkson is not going to play.
    because we still are not getting fiba clearance. now, clarkson is under rich paul.
    I didn't know this. Alright, then i don't know what makes his case different than Calathes's in terms of eligibility.
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    Gilas Pilipinas head coach Yeng Guiao has ruled out Jordan Clarkson's participation in the 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup.

    Guiao had included Clarkson in the 19-man pool for the tournament, but acknowledged on Wednesday that the chances of getting the Filipino-American guard to play in China was slim to none.

    "Mukhang wala na si JC, so Jordan, it's too late at this point," said Guiao. "FIBA has not indicated any changes in its original decision, so we just have to move on."


    That's from two days ago. I don't know if that's the final word, but I guess it's fair to assume he's not going to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italian Pride View Post
    Calathes?he got greek passport when he turned 20 years old
    Even though he obtained Greek citizenship after he turned 16, Calathes has never been considered as naturalised player by FIBA.

    Same status applies to Koufos. On the other hand, Tyler Dorsey and Mike Bramos aren't accepted as locals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixama23 View Post
    Even though he obtained Greek citizenship after he turned 16, Calathes has never been considered as naturalised player by FIBA.

    Same status applies to Koufos. On the other hand, Tyler Dorsey and Mike Bramos aren't accepted as locals.
    I believe it's because Calathes already played for Greece before the passport before 16 rule was implemented.
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    Nick Nurse - Canada .. jk.

    But seriously, Canada hasn't used a naturalized player since Samuel Dalembert (who moved to Montreal from Haiti at 14), but current player Kyle Wiltjer has never lived in Canada but has been a citizen since birth. His parents are Canadian, and his dad is a bit of a Canadian BBall icon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    I believe it's because Calathes already played for Greece before the passport before 16 rule was implemented.
    No he didn't. The rule was already in place when he first played for the Greek NT.

    Back then it was much easier for "well connected" federations to get the General Secretary clearance that's outlined in clause 21.b of the Book 3.

    Now things have changed, FIBA doesn't do any favours anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post

    All naturalized players are the US-born.
    Montenegro also has Milko Bjelica, who is a naturalized Serbian.

    Which countries have never used a naturalized player? Serbia, Lithuania. Anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixama23 View Post
    No he didn't. The rule was already in place when he first played for the Greek NT.

    Back then it was much easier for "well connected" federations to get the General Secretary clearance that's outlined in clause 21.b of the Book 3.

    Now things have changed, FIBA doesn't do any favours anymore.
    we can actually ask for favors for clarkson quite easier if patrick baumann. too bad, he's gone now. it's harder to ask favors since the current sec-gen is a lithuanian and we all know lithuania is not fielding a naturalized player and mixed race or dual citizens in their team. hoping we can get a compromise from fiba since philippines is the main host of the 2023 world cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesla View Post
    Montenegro also has Milko Bjelica, who is a naturalized Serbian.

    Which countries have never used a naturalized player? Serbia, Lithuania. Anyone else?
    Latvia probably.
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    The day that Lithuania & Serbia naturalize players is the day Europe dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesla View Post
    The day that Lithuania & Serbia naturalize players is the day Europe dies.
    indeed, they have so much pride on themselves. well, that two countries have two of the best basketball programs in the world.
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