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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtyh View Post
    Is it clear how those wild cards are given? And what happens if one of the not qualified team wants to host 1 qualifying tournament and is ready to pay that or even more money. I'm just saying because Finnish coach Dettmann said earlier this year that Finland has change to one of those wild cards. I really hope that FIBA is not going to sell it by auction again.
    FIBA announced few months ago that WCs will be given to teams via FIBA ranking - highest ranked NTs in each continent, which are not qualified to QG or OQT will get WCs. But as you know it's FIBA, so nothing will surprise me


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    I always wish for the best possible, strongest Olympic field with teams that have the most potential to make noise to make it. So in that vein I will be rooting for Serbia, Greece, Lithuania and Canada to be the 4 qualifying tournament winners.
    I wouldn’t mind if Slovenia, Croatia or Latvia earned a birth either. I feel like these teams have the most potential and if everything goes perfect for them can make this tournament even stronger and more fun to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    I always wish for the best possible, strongest Olympic field with teams that have the most potential to make noise to make it. So in that vein I will be rooting for Serbia, Greece, Lithuania and Canada to be the 4 qualifying tournament winners.
    I wouldn’t mind if Slovenia, Croatia or Latvia earned a birth either. I feel like these teams have the most potential and if everything goes perfect for them can make this tournament even stronger and more fun to watch.
    I think Canada has the biggest difference between results and potential that it's probably insane to assume they get who they need to commit to two events next summer and somehow avoid a shit draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    I think Canada has the biggest difference between results and potential that it's probably insane to assume they get who they need to commit to two events next summer and somehow avoid a shit draw.
    For all those teams involved in the qualifying it’s really one big tournament. The qualifying tournament is July 6th and the Olympics begin July 25th. And with the Olympic tournament being cut to only 6 games helps too. Using history as our guide you’re probably right and won’t happen but potentially if they put their A team together I think they would be really strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    For all those teams involved in the qualifying it’s really one big tournament. The qualifying tournament is July 6th and the Olympics begin July 25th. And with the Olympic tournament being cut to only 6 games helps too. Using history as our guide you’re probably right and won’t happen but potentially if they put their A team together I think they would be really strong.
    When it comes to Canada and it's roster I've seen the use of the word rosterbating. There is an obsession with what can be that we never really talk about what usually is and at the moment besides their coach their national team doesn't appear to be super organized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    FIBA announced few months ago that WCs will be given to teams via FIBA ranking - highest ranked NTs in each continent, which are not qualified to QG or OQT will get WCs. But as you know it's FIBA, so nothing will surprise me
    That's what I thought too and I was very surprised when Dettmann said that. Today he gave interview where he stated that there should be EC, WC or OG every year. He is also very loud qualification window supporter. He is also man that has been fired from every club team job that he has ever had.

    But Fiba is Fiba. If Finland pays 5M€ to Fiba I need to buy game tickets...

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    Is there anything known about the date when these tournaments will take place? The main problem with theset tournaments is always the restricted amount of time available for a solid preparation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fasoulaki View Post
    Is there anything known about the date when these tournaments will take place? The main problem with theset tournaments is always the restricted amount of time available for a solid preparation.
    on July (first week)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fasoulaki View Post
    Is there anything known about the date when these tournaments will take place? The main problem with theset tournaments is always the restricted amount of time available for a solid preparation.
    July 6th-12th was the latest date that I saw announced

    Today I read Danilovic saying that Serbian federation will have support from Serbian government to host OQT. So it makes Lithuania, Serbia and Greece as possible candidates from Europe


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    When it comes to Canada and it's roster I've seen the use of the word rosterbating. There is an obsession with what can be that we never really talk about what usually is and at the moment besides their coach their national team doesn't appear to be super organized.
    There has been a hell of a allot of introspection in Canada with why all the no-shows this summer. For once the media has really dug in to try to figure out what is going on.

    There is no good answer - it is nuanced and complicated. Everything from the the bad FIBA schedule (6 week time commitment, timing of WC prior to the season, a year before the Olympics) to injuries (Murray, Brook, Ennis, Olynyk, Barrett), to agent pressure (Boucher, SGA), to lack of passion/nationalism (Wiggins/Lyles?), the geography (China). Lots of talk that many of the guys are too young and we shouldn't expect them to play before they are financially set. Need to remember that some of these guys like Trey Lyles are really Americans and probably never show up. Lots going into it - I can send you some links to good articles if you want to read more about it.

    There was an interview with an agent Mike George who is Canadian, reps a load of Canadian players and has coached many of these guys back in the AAU days (CIA Bounce). He made a convincing argument that summer was a bad coincidental mix of everything going wrong that could go wrong. He said the Jamal Murray, RJ Barrett , Dillon Brooks, Tyler Ennis, Kelly Olynyk injuries were all legit and their clubs intervened otherwise those guys wanted to play. SGA got pushed out by club/agent pressure because he was just traded to OKC and so young (pre big money). The rookies never usually play (Clarke, Kabengele, NAW, Shayok, Barrett) but a couple of them seem quite interested (NAW and Barrett at least - Brissett was there too). Mike George said the timing of the tournament was awful, being a year before the Olympics is terrible (guys didnt want to play two summers in a row), the location sucked....blah, blah, blah. This is an agents perspective mind you.
    He said that guys really do want to play, have more passion for this than people think and and next summer, with the Qualifiers right after the NBA season we should see more guys play. We wont see the FAs (which I think is at least Brooks and Tristan Thompson next summer - Olynyk has a player option). And we should be doubtful we see too many guys on rookie deals or non-guarantees.

    We will never get full turnout - it just won't happen, so people can roster-bate all they want. But my hope is with 17 guaranteed NBA contracts, a few more on the edge and more and more good players in Europe, we can find that special mix sometime soon. 5 or 7 great NBA talents mixed with 5 or 7 of our best European based talents. With the right mix and right chemistry maybe we can do something. I think the team we nearly had (Olynyk, Boucher, Murray, SGA, Barrett) was enough to compete with anyone in the WC. And I'd keep the core of this WC team - Pangos, Wiltjer, Ejim, Birch, CoJo, Phil Scrubb - together for next summer hopefully with some good NBA re-reinforcements.

    I do think this group of NBA guys really want to play - CoJo, Olynyk, Thompson, Birch, Brooks, Powell, SGA, Barrett, NAW. But there will be issues with some every summer with FAs, injuries and youth/contracts.

    I am never counting on Wiggins or Lyles until they actually show up. And I have no idea about Kabengele and Clarke - but some other young guys seem quite interested. Brissett, Wigginton, Shayok, Andrew Nembhard, AJ Lawson, Addison Patterson.

    The sheer volume is there with more coming....



    And there is no doubt Canada Basketball is not the most organized federation - it has been chronically underfunded for decades and plague by infighting and poor coaching (sounds like every other federation). This may be changing with Nick Nurse and more importantly MLSE and OVO/Drake taking a more active financial interest.


    Edit:
    Here is one artcle worth the read:
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/...g-nonetheless/

    There is an even better one on The Athletic by Blake Murphy an awsome Raptors reporter if anyone is a subscriber.
    https://theathletic.com/1200604/2019...da-basketball/
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    I think a lot has been made of the back to back summers, and i get it but also, it's only two instead of the four it used to be. In the Old way Canada probably ends up playing non stop.

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    Likely OQT teams

    Serbia (4)
    Lithuania (6)
    Slovenia (7)
    Greece (8)
    Croatia (9)
    Russia (10)
    Brazil (12)
    Italy (13)
    Mexico (14)
    Puerto Rico (16)
    Turkey(17)
    Dominican Rep (18)
    Venezuela (20)
    Germany (22)
    Canada (23)
    Czech Republic (24)
    Poland (25)
    Montenegro (28)
    China (30)
    Philippines (31)
    Korea (32)
    Senegal (37)
    New Zealand (38)
    Angola (39)

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    Quote Originally Posted by christodoulou76 View Post
    Likely OQT teams

    Serbia (4)
    Lithuania (6)
    Slovenia (7)
    Greece (8)
    Croatia (9)
    Russia (10)
    Brazil (12)
    Italy (13)
    Mexico (14)
    Puerto Rico (16)
    Turkey(17)
    Dominican Rep (18)
    Venezuela (20)
    Germany (22)
    Canada (23)
    Czech Republic (24)
    Poland (25)
    Montenegro (28)
    China (30)
    Philippines (31)
    Korea (32)
    Senegal (37)
    New Zealand (38)
    Angola (39)
    You are missing Uruguay and can not have both South Korea and Philippines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    You are missing Uruguay and can not have both South Korea and Philippines.
    Yeah and also Slovenia, Croatia and Montenegro can't all be in

    Also I think 1st pot in more or less clear - Serbia, Lithuania, Greece, Russia (or Euro WC). Depends where all wildcard holders will end up, all 8 in two last pots or ranking+geography will decide, probably the latter


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    One important change after recent FIBA ranking updates. Korea overtook Philippines and should be 2nd team along with China to get wildcard for OQT. If so, massive blow for Pinoys. Elsewhere, no matter quite notable drop Croatia and Slovenia remains as two best European teams without OQT spot, the same goes to Mexico/Uruguay, Angola/Senegal


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    oqt.jpg

    Btw, the dates were changed from July 6-12 to June 23-28, 2020. So even less time to prepare after the season


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    So FIBA held true to their word on the rankings and the OQT.

    http://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen#tab=fiba

    We predicted most of it. The notable change was South Korea jumped the Philippines and took the last Asia spot.
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    It will be interesting to see, how FIBA decides to allocate the pots. Will it go directly by the FIBA rankings or will it pay attention to the ranking and regions. What is more, FIBA might drop a bomb and put the hosts in the first pot.

    IMO, the best way to do it is to just go fully by the rankings. So we would avoid bs like group A in world cup.

    So initially, i would like to see these pots:

    POT1: Serbia, Greece, Lithuania, Russia
    POT2: Czech Republic, Brazil, Italy, Poland
    POT3: Croatia, Turkey, Slovenia, Puerto Rico
    POT4: Germany, Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Canada
    POT5: New Zealand, Mexico, China, Korea
    POT6: Angola, Tunisia, Senegal, Uruguay

    Obviously, first pots are mostly consisted of European teams, but hey that's just the way it is, regarding the basketball level in the world. Except from obviously those american teams that already clinched olympic spots.
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    Fiba made qualification before NBA free agency.I doubt we will see alot of NBA free agents of 2020 playing in qualification tournament.

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    Saric,Bogdan Bogdanovich,Bellineli,Sabonis,Osman,Dragic,Hezonja ,Gallinari

    is kinda free agents this upcoming summer.

    So fiba makes them risk playing qualification without contracts ?

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