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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Poor Serbia. At least he loves Zvezda. Which is pretty equally fine to me
    This Zvezda love is a bit strange, knowing that he hate everything about his father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    And we are still current Eurobasket champions. Nobody will say much, if Slovenia misses qualifications, but I wonder what will happen in Lithuania, if you don’t qualify? I always liked Lithuania, was a big fan of Sabonis, Saras...but I am a bit disappointed with your production of new players lately. Not much to cheer about, maybe you should bring some American guard?
    Lithuania has chosen to go after a Canadian PF/SF instead!

    I understand Ignas Brazdeikis was born in Lithuania so it is a little different - I am not here to debate anything here (lets not get into it please), I'm just curious if anyone knows if he is considered a naturalized player per the definition of the rules. He does not have Lithuanian citizenship currently (though he did as a baby), he played for Canada in FIBA post age 17, and will be getting his Lithuanian citizenship/passport after age 16. That seems to count as a naturalized player by the definition of the rules unless there are special circumstance for "restoring" citizenship one once had.

    I didn't think too much of him to start the season, but he is now playing very well in the G-League, he might actually become a regular NBA player. This is the first I am seeing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    This Zvezda love is a bit strange, knowing that he hate everything about his father.
    I really don't care about that, it's sympathic to me that he supports my team, not more or less. I absolutely don't consider him Serbian or something. And most importantly I am no 60 year old woman to judge whom he hates or loves in his family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Lithuania has chosen to go after a Canadian PF/SF instead!

    I understand Ignas Brazdeikis was born in Lithuania so it is a little different - I am not here to debate anything here (lets not get into it please), I'm just curious if anyone knows if he is considered a naturalized player per the definition of the rules. He does not have Lithuanian citizenship currently (though he did as a baby), he played for Canada in FIBA post age 17, and will be getting his Lithuanian citizenship/passport after age 16. That seems to count as a naturalized player by the definition of the rules unless there are special circumstance for "restoring" citizenship one once had.
    I remember one case when Vasil Evtimov played for France in 2001 Eurobasket, then as Bulgarian born to Bulgarian parents he changed basketball nationality and played for Bulgaria in 2009 Eurobasket. In Bulgarian NT next to Evtimov played naturalized American Earl Rowland. So if the rules stayed the same - Brazdeikis also shouldn't be counted as naturalized player, but not sure tho


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    I remember one case when Vasil Evtimov played for France in 2001 Eurobasket, then as Bulgarian born to Bulgarian parents he changed basketball nationality and played for Bulgaria in 2009 Eurobasket. In Bulgarian NT next to Evtimov played naturalized American Earl Rowland. So if the rules stayed the same - Brazdeikis also shouldn't be counted as naturalized player, but not sure tho
    The naturalization rules were updated and tightened a few years ago so who knows what it is now. I suppose it should not matter unless Lithuania plans to naturalize another player.

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    Even if Brazdeikis case would be naturalization, let's not compare naturalization of random American who suddenly should be Turkish, Croatian ect, and naturalization of pure Lithuanian by blood (he's not only born and lived in Kaunas for three/four years, but both of his parents are pure Lithuanians) to his homeland. It's black and white really
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    I remember one case when Vasil Evtimov played for France in 2001 Eurobasket, then as Bulgarian born to Bulgarian parents he changed basketball nationality and played for Bulgaria in 2009 Eurobasket. In Bulgarian NT next to Evtimov played naturalized American Earl Rowland. So if the rules stayed the same - Brazdeikis also shouldn't be counted as naturalized player, but not sure tho
    This is a good example. "Evtimov is the only player to ever compete at EuroBasket for two countries". His brother played for France, too.
    the way I understand it, FIBA is a bit more flexible than usual towards countries with limited top level talent. Ermal Kuqo was also allowed to play for his native country, Albania.
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    nationality is bit more complicated and nuanced matter in Europe, especially in small countries from southern and south eastern region, where the line between being for example a turk or albanian is quite blurred very often. Same goes for the whole bunch of balkan countries, who are intertwined and connected to each other historically and culturally. Not so much for the people from the other continents, who have no cultural or emotional ties to the europeans...so I'd say having a player from your neighbouring country represent your NT is not exactly the same as having an american or some african fella proudly wearing your country's colors

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    The naturalization rules were updated and tightened a few years ago so who knows what it is now. I suppose it should not matter unless Lithuania plans to naturalize another player.
    Yeah, there were changes, but I'm not sure if it had any impact on such cases, hard to say. Anyway, it really doesn't matter for Lithuania for now. First of all, we ain't planning any naturalization, as I wrote in previous page, our bball community is against it, from majority of fans till players, coaches, federation. Even what comes to foreign head-coach. Unless some other Brazdeikis case would appear. Then it would be interesting to know the rules. Other than that, it's really complicated process to get LT citizenship, even for Brazdeikis it's still not for granted that he will get one. He probably will as this case is so clear that I see no reason why he shouldn't to. Maybe president advisors on this matter can say that he is not a person who did a lot for Lithuania, which is one of criteria to get Lith passport, but it can be beaten by potential future benefit, overall new president is more open minded and has final word on it, so I hope there won't be any obstacles

    Quote Originally Posted by Levenspiel View Post
    This is a good example. "Evtimov is the only player to ever compete at EuroBasket for two countries". His brother played for France, too.
    the way I understand it, FIBA is a bit more flexible than usual towards countries with limited top level talent. Ermal Kuqo was also allowed to play for his native country, Albania.
    True, Kuqo also. And while writing this I recalled a case of Anton Gavel, even reverse case, from Slovakia to Germany back in 2015. But I don't remember if he was counted as naturalized or not. These are probably the only 3 cases in bball what comes to senior teams


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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    nationality is bit more complicated and nuanced matter in Europe, especially in small countries from southern and south eastern region, where the line between being for example a turk or albanian is quite blurred very often. Same goes for the whole bunch of balkan countries, who are intertwined and connected to each other historically and culturally. Not so much for the people from the other continents, who have no cultural or emotional ties to the europeans...so I'd say having a player from your neighbouring country represent your NT is not exactly the same as having an american or some african fella proudly wearing your country's colors
    Interesting point. Imagine Turkoglu, Okur, Mahmutoglu, Erden etc playing for Bosnia in another world, as their grandparents were of Bosnian decent. They should be eligible by FIBA rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    True, Kuqo also. And while writing this I recalled a case of Anton Gavel, even reverse case, from Slovakia to Germany back in 2015. But I don't remember if he was counted as naturalized or not. These are probably the only 3 cases in bball what comes to senior teams
    Oh Gavel, too, yes. I've never understood the logic in that one but it's there.
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    Are you guys somehow addicted to naturalizations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    Are you guys somehow addicted to naturalizations?
    Its the Free Agency of FIBA.

    Everyone loves the July 1st madness in the NBA and the EuroLeague off-season signing speculation - this is the closest we've got to it in FIBA.

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    Jordan Morgan to play for Slovenia. Random American guy who happened to play one season in Ljubljana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Jordan Morgan to play for Slovenia. Random American guy who happened to play one season in Ljubljana.
    I would much rather have Randolph, who never played in Ljubljana. I guess Luka and 4 random guys could be enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Bob View Post
    I would much rather have Randolph, who never played in Ljubljana. I guess Luka and 4 random guys could be enough.
    So is this a final decision for Slovenia for OQT? No more chasing Randolph or any other foreign player?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    So is this a final decision for Slovenia for OQT? No more chasing Randolph or any other foreign player?
    It looks like it. They have brought just some random guy. Imho a mistake, you should surround Luka with shooters. Randolph was a perfect match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    Purity. Serbia has a black player who played for years in youth categories because of his mother from South America and noone gives a shit if you are black, white, yellow, Christian, Muslim. We are against naturilzation of foreign players. And you are a troll.
    I'm not a troll. I've watched every major FIBA tournament since 2005 in Serbia/Montenegro and each summer I've seen naturalized players making an impact. It's the FIBA landscape I've grown up with. Every year I've also read nonstop bitching from fans of countries who refuse to naturalize players for whatever reason. If your country is on some high ground about not wanting American players, that's great. Shut up about other teams doing it. Trying to cheapen the accomplishments of Slovenia or Russia is beyond weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Diesel View Post
    I'm not a troll. I've watched every major FIBA tournament since 2005 in Serbia/Montenegro and each summer I've seen naturalized players making an impact. It's the FIBA landscape I've grown up with. Every year I've also read nonstop bitching from fans of countries who refuse to naturalize players for whatever reason. If your country is on some high ground about not wanting American players, that's great. Shut up about other teams doing it. Trying to cheapen the accomplishments of Slovenia or Russia is beyond weak.
    I won't shut up because of your asking for it. Who do you think you are?

    By the way I didn't even mention Slovenia or Russia or any other country. Maybe you are mixing someone up or you are simply an imbecile. Or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katastroika View Post
    I won't shut up because of your asking for it. Who do you think you are?

    By the way I didn't even mention Slovenia or Russia or any other country. Maybe you are mixing someone up or you are simply an imbecile. Or both.

    Right. I'm an imbecile. You got me down, a troll and an imbecile. I was telling the collective complainers to shut up, but you can obviously feel free to join them. Why stop with players? Mike Malone has no business being on Serbia's staff the summer. No naturalized staff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Diesel View Post
    Right. I'm an imbecile. You got me down, a troll and an imbecile. I was telling the collective complainers to shut up, but you can obviously feel free to join them. Why stop with players? Mike Malone has no business being on Serbia's staff the summer. No naturalized staff!
    Mixing assistant coaches and players makes my impression about trolling and being and imbecile even more accurate. What an epic spin. Oh sorry, it should have been ironic, right? Sorry, I always need some time to get westerner's fun.

    Aaah, it hurts, no naturalized staff. :-(

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