2019 - 2020 ASEAN Basketball League

[Gusty]

So far BGR is looking to be a top PBA pick. A j-wash like player who's willing to hustle, defend & take physicality. This is what j wash was supposed to be.

Yup! Only J-Wash ended up being perceived as unintimidating when it came to his defense. As a now inactive PBA player once told me, “sarap lusutan”.

[Gusty]

I don't know about you. But if a rule or law is bullshit then it has to be changed. Even if it takes 1000 years of bitching and moaning.

Obviously that rule is divisive and racist. Not to mention that it's pissing on our national law of citizenship.

Exactly . That’s always been my beef. Jus soli and jus sanguinis are both legitimate ways of acquiring citizenship. Why the utter disregard of the jus sanguinis principle on Hagop’s part??? Why did FIBA-Asia choose to be complicit?

Just plain and simple selective respect for municipal law.. SMH

[analyzed]

You guys are entitled to feel that way towards the rule. The thing is that sentiment is actually the minority. Very few countries countries have openly expressed any issues with the rule.

[allmight]

Ceasefire muna. Haha.

Merry Christmas guys. And happy festivus for the rest of us.

[digitalsuperman]

Tien Lei is done. If you watch his prime highlights dude look like Tracy Mcgrady on the dunks..Now he can barely move.

is he that guy deemed as the lebron james of asia?

[k3ttch]

Exactly . That’s always been my beef. Jus soli and jus sanguinis are both legitimate ways of acquiring citizenship. Why the utter disregard of the jus sanguinis principle on Hagop’s part??? Why did FIBA-Asia choose to be complicit?

Just plain and simple selective respect for municipal law.. SMH

FIBA implemented this rule precisely because of individual countries' citizenship laws, which vary in strictness in granting citizenship. Germany grants citizenship to anyone with at least one German parent or grandparent (ex. Chris Kaman). Israel grants citizenship to anyone practicing the Jewish faith, or who has at least one Jewish grandparent under their Law of Return. FIBA's eligibility rules are a way to implement a universal eligibility system that applies to all countries regardless of their laws. So yes, it was designed to deliberately "piss on" nations' local citizenship laws.

Is it a perfect system? Not by a long shot, because it's still possible to "cheat" the system, as seen in Qatar's naturalizing most of Bosnia and Herzogovina's U-16 team B to play for them. But I can see the reason for its implementation.

The only complaint I have against it is the 16 year age limit. 18 is the age of majority of most countries and I'd like to see the age limit raised to 18, so that the decision to play for which country lies with the PLAYER, rather than with the player's parents.

[reamily]

is he that guy deemed as the lebron james of asia?

naka ten points pa yan with his rheumatic legs nowadays haha

[mangangalakal]

FIBA implemented this rule precisely because of individual countries' citizenship laws, which vary in strictness in granting citizenship. Germany grants citizenship to anyone with at least one German parent or grandparent (ex. Chris Kaman). Israel grants citizenship to anyone practicing the Jewish faith, or who has at least one Jewish grandparent under their Law of Return. FIBA's eligibility rules are a way to implement a universal eligibility system that applies to all countries regardless of their laws. So yes, it was designed to deliberately "piss on" nations' local citizenship laws.

Is it a perfect system? Not by a long shot, because it's still possible to "cheat" the system, as seen in Qatar's naturalizing most of Bosnia and Herzogovina's U-16 team B to play for them. But I can see the reason for its implementation.

The only complaint I have against it is the 16 year age limit. 18 is the age of majority of most countries and I'd like to see the age limit raised to 18, so that the decision to play for which country lies with the PLAYER, rather than with the player's parents.

Good point. And the raising of the age limit is actually more doable than abolishing the rule altogether, in terms of getting other countries' support.

[analyzed]

Part of the reason for the 16 year old cuttof instead of higher age, is FIBA wants the decision of citizenhip based more on non basketball reasons but mainly on choice of country one wants to adopt. It also puts greater emphasis and rewards the nation who developed the player in his pre 16 year old years

Do note the process of exception allows for 18 year olds who've shown they have adopted the country as their own. So it is actually addressed
Again not perfect but you can see the rationale behind it

[mangangalakal]

Part of the reason for the 16 year old cuttof instead of higher age, is FIBA wants the decision of citizenhip based more on non basketball reasons but mainly on choice of country one wants to adopt. It also puts greater emphasis and rewards the nation who developed the player in his pre 16 year old years

Again not perfect but you can see the rationale behind it

but in majority of the world 16 year-olds have limited legal capacity, in other words most 16 year-olds cannot choose their citizenship yet. If FIBA really wants players to represent the country of their choice, let them wait til they're old enough to decide which country they really want to play for. Citizenship is not only a legal concept but a personal decision as well. In football there have been prominent cases of senior NT players switching nationalities, for example Diego Costa of Atletico Madrid (switched from Brazil to Spain) and Eder (switched from Brazil to Italy)

[Gusty]

FIBA implemented this rule precisely because of individual countries' citizenship laws, which vary in strictness in granting citizenship. Germany grants citizenship to anyone with at least one German parent or grandparent (ex. Chris Kaman). Israel grants citizenship to anyone practicing the Jewish faith, or who has at least one Jewish grandparent under their Law of Return. FIBA's eligibility rules are a way to implement a universal eligibility system that applies to all countries regardless of their laws. So yes, it was designed to deliberately "piss on" nations' local citizenship laws.

Is it a perfect system? Not by a long shot, because it's still possible to "cheat" the system, as seen in Qatar's naturalizing most of Bosnia and Herzogovina's U-16 team B to play for them. But I can see the reason for its implementation.

The only complaint I have against it is the 16 year age limit. 18 is the age of majority of most countries and I'd like to see the age limit raised to 18, so that the decision to play for which country lies with the PLAYER, rather than with the player's parents.

Fair point. But again, this presupposes a universal acceptance of 18 as the age of majority. What if it’s 16 in others, or 21 in some? In this case, those countries which recognize 21 as the age of majority will be at a disadvantage again. If “fairness “ is the object, I would posit that respecting each state’s municipal law, so long as it does not trample upon municipal law of another, would be the best means of attaining that end. (You correctly pointed out that “pissing on” municipal law is what the Hagop rule achieved.)

[k3ttch]

but in majority of the world 16 year-olds have limited legal capacity, in other words most 16 year-olds cannot choose their citizenship yet. If FIBA really wants players to represent the country of their choice, let them wait til they're old enough to decide which country they really want to play for. Citizenship is not only a legal concept but a personal decision as well. In football there have been prominent cases of senior NT players switching nationalities, for example Diego Costa of Atletico Madrid (switched from Brazil to Spain) and Eder (switched from Brazil to Italy)

This. The decision should be with the PLAYER, rather than the PARENTS.

Also, you'd think that with FIBA trying so hard to ape FIFA (to the extent of even proposing to make Olympic basketball an U23 event), they'd also adopt FIFA's rules on player eligibility.

[analyzed]

but in majority of the world 16 year-olds have limited legal capacity, in other words most 16 year-olds cannot choose their citizenship yet. If FIBA really wants players to represent the country of their choice, let them wait til they're old enough to decide which country they really want to play for. Citizenship is not only a legal concept but a personal decision as well. In football there have been prominent cases of senior NT players switching nationalities, for example Diego Costa of Atletico Madrid (switched from Brazil to Spain) and Eder (switched from Brazil to Italy)

Do note the process of exception allows for 18 year olds who've shown they have adopted the country as their own. So it is actually addressed

What is hard to justify and rightfully so, is twenty year old adults whose actions have shown no indication that they've truly adopted the country.

[JAMSKIE]

Tien Lei is done. If you watch his prime highlights dude look like Tracy Mcgrady on the dunks..Now he can barely move.

Tien Lei is what, already 36? Cagers of that age are usually way past their prime so its understandable that Tien is hardly a shadow of what he was 10 years ago. He has also gained significant weight. From what I remember, he was a bit skinny/lanky when he was in his early 20's.

He was really a match-up problem in Asian basketball during his prime as he was a perfect "stretch four" for the international game. Tien Lei is the type of player I want Carl Tamayo to become minus the athleticism.

[JAMSKIE]

Its unfortunate that these Taiwanese teams in the ABL - Formosa Dreamers & Fubon Braves, have become tambakan ng mga laos at may edad na mga former National players of Chinese Taipei.

This wouldn't help the ABL as far as elevating the level of competition of the league. I understand that the top players of the current Chinese Taipei National team are in China's CBA pro league where the money is good. But I think it would be better for the ABL if Formosa Dreamers & Fubon Braves recruit those lower tier Chinese Taipei National players & some other star players from Taiwan's top pro league - the SBL.