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    Here is my stand regarding Philippine politics:

    I find it ridiculous hearing some people saying "May nagawa namang kabutihan si Ferdinand Marcos ah". And then these people would arrive in a conclusion that Marcos isn't bad after all or worse these people would conclude that Marcos was misjudged by history & that he is a noble person.

    As I have said, Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot also did some good deeds. Even Satan know how to do good deeds.

    Yes, Marcos have made a lot of infrastructures, institutions & government programs but that doesn't justify all the wicked & evil deeds that he made during his reign as Phi President. Yung mga nagawa ni Marcos sa sambayanan ay subrang kalunoslunos that for him to be recognized as a noble person or even a hero would be extremely foolish & ridiculous.

    The same also applies to the Aquinos.

    Some people would say that Aquinos aren't clean either or that wala naman silang nagawa sa bansa. But the Aquinos didn't commit murder, human rights abuses, graft & corruption, & other abuses which the Marcoses did. To say that Ferdinand Marcos is better than the Aquinos is such an extremely stupid & ridiculous conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Here is my stand regarding Philippine politics:

    I find it ridiculous hearing some people saying "May nagawa namang kabutihan si Ferdinand Marcos ah". And then these people would arrive in a conclusion that Marcos isn't bad after all or worse these people would conclude that Marcos was misjudged by history & that he is a noble person.

    As I have said, Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot also did some good deeds. Even Satan know how to do good deeds.

    Yes, Marcos have made a lot of infrastructures, institutions & government programs but that doesn't justify all the wicked & evil deeds that he made during his reign as Phi President. Yung mga nagawa ni Marcos sa sambayanan ay subrang kalunoslunos that for him to be recognized as a noble person or even a hero would be extremely foolish & ridiculous.

    The same also applies to the Aquinos.

    Some people would say that Aquinos aren't clean either or that wala naman silang nagawa sa bansa. But the Aquinos didn't commit murder, human rights abuses, graft & corruption, & other abuses which the Marcoses did. To say that Ferdinand Marcos is better than the Aquinos is such an extremely stupid & ridiculous conclusion.
    All those infrastructures built during the Marcos era were due to loans which we have yet to pay until now.

    The Aquinos are just... another oligarch who did less damage but were just susceptible to avarice and corruption.

    We need to move on from this false dichotomy of Marcoses and Aquinos. Seriously, both families had their chance to put this country on the right path and both of them fucked it up one way or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    Well Marcos have all these infrastructures, institutions, GOCCs (most of which Cory et al already sold) to show where he spent taxpayers money. I don't about your Noynoy and his mother. Common sense dictates that Marcos did good and the Aquinos sucked yet some people choose to stick to that yellow narrative Marcos evil aquino heroes
    Don't be deceived by those infrastructures, institutions, GOCCs & other government programs during Marcos' term. It came at a time when the Philippine economy was booming. But try to ask yourself, what happened to our economy during the 70's & the 80's which is the time that Marcos overstayed in power? Wasn't our economy struggling during those times? To whom would you blame it?

    Yes, I agree with the opinions of some people that the Aquinos aren't/weren't clean, but to say that the Marcos is better than the Aquinos? Excuse me.

    I say the Aquinos aren't that noble, but Marcos wasn't noble either. Marcos was evil, MANDARAMBONG.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    All those infrastructures built during the Marcos era were due to loans which we have yet to pay until now.

    The Aquinos are just... another oligarch who did less damage but were just susceptible to avarice and corruption.

    We need to move on from this false dichotomy of Marcoses and Aquinos. Seriously, both families had their chance to put this country on the right path and both of them fucked it up one way or another.
    Agree.

    As I've said, I don't think the Aquinos are/were clean. They also have their share of dirty linens. But between the Aquinos & the Marcoses, the Aquinos are/were obviously the lesser evil.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Oh by the way, it was during the administration of President Marcos that the golden age of Phi basketball happened with the NCC-Philippine team coached by the late Ron Jacobs reigning as Asian basketball top gun. Such a program was the brainchild of Danding Cojuangco who of course is a Macos crony.

    See, may nagawa naman talagang kabutihan si Marcos sa bansa. But does that qualify him as a hero?

    Excuse me, I would rather proclaim Rene Requiestas as a hero.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Don't be deceived by those infrastructures, institutions, GOCCs & other government programs during Marcos' term. It came at a time when the Philippine economy was booming. But try to ask yourself, what happened to our economy during the 70's & the 80's which is the time that Marcos overstayed in power? Wasn't our economy struggling during those times? To whom would you blame it?

    Yes, I agree with the opinions of some people that the Aquinos aren't/weren't clean, but to say that the Aquinos are evil while Marcos was a noble man? Excuse me.

    I say the Aquinos aren't that noble, but Marcos wasn't noble either. Marcos was evil, MANDARAMBONG.
    Those are intangibles that can't be denied that's what some were even sold or name changed by the yellows. I won't be deceived at all as I've done enough study about this. 487 billion was the total national budget for 20 years compared to Cory's over 1 trillion for just 6 years yet Cory had nothing but that flyover in Ortigas. Did it ever occur to you where Cory spent the money? Don't tell me that BS alibi that couldn't build anything and offer public service as she was paying off Marcos debt because our national debt even ballooned during her term. And also not that inflation BS because Cory's term began where Marcos term ended -1986. How much inflation between successive terms explain non performance for an administration that spent over a trillion in 6 years vs innumerable accomplishments for 20 years of a 487 billion total budget?

    Just to explain to those who don't understand, don't mistaken loans to be direct source for stealing money, those are used to augment budget deficits specially if you have projects needing of funding. Your leaders get their cuts from ghost projects, overpricing or substandard infrastructures. If Marcos stole, there either would be less projects or substandard infrastructures.

    Now, as to Nonoy, there were some projects unlike his mother but most were private-public partnerships. Meaning, private entities funded those projects (something where they'll get profits by collecting fees from the public). Now tell me where that idiot spent those trillions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    Those are intangibles that can't be denied that's what some were even sold or name changed by the yellows. I won't be deceived at all as I've done enough study about this. 487 billion was the total national budget for 20 years compared to Cory's over 1 trillion for just 6 years yet Cory had nothing but that flyover in Ortigas. Did it ever occur to you where Cory spent the money? Don't tell me that BS alibi that couldn't build anything and offer public service as she was paying off Marcos debt because our national debt even ballooned during her term. And also not that inflation BS because Cory's term began where Marcos term ended -1986. How much inflation between successive terms explain non performance for an administration that spent over a trillion in 6 years vs innumerable accomplishments for 20 years of a 487 billion total budget?

    Just to explain to those who don't understand, don't mistaken loans to be direct source for stealing money, those are used to augment budget deficits specially if you have projects needing of funding. Your leaders get their cuts from ghost projects, overpricing or substandard infrastructures. If Marcos stole, there either would be less projects or substandard infrastructures.

    Now, as to Nonoy, there were some projects unlike his mother but most were private-public partnerships. Meaning, private entities funded those projects (something where they'll get profits by collecting fees from the public). Now tell me where that idiot spent those trillions?
    How then could you explain those "nakapanglulolang" yaman ng mga Marcoses in which the Courts have declared to be ill-gotten? Please try to analyze the difference of Ferdinand marcos & wife Imelda's conjugal wealth before Ferdinand Marcos became president as against the couple's wealth after Marcos was overthrown from power. How would you explain the colossal growth of the Marcoses wealth from the time ferdinand Marcos was not yet president to the time when he was overthrown.

    Regarding the Aquinos, lumobo ba ng bigla ang yaman nila from the time Cory became president? The thing is, no graft & corruption charges were filed against Cory & Noynoy Aquino.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Don't be deceived by those infrastructures, institutions, GOCCs & other government programs during Marcos' term. It came at a time when the Philippine economy was booming. But try to ask yourself, what happened to our economy during the 70's & the 80's which is the time that Marcos overstayed in power? Wasn't our economy struggling during those times? To whom would you blame it?

    Yes, I agree with the opinions of some people that the Aquinos aren't/weren't clean, but to say that the Marcos is better than the Aquinos? Excuse me.

    I say the Aquinos aren't that noble, but Marcos wasn't noble either. Marcos was evil, MANDARAMBONG.
    Now to answer "what happened to the economy in the 70s and 80s

    Do you Know what happens to a country where civil unrest is peretrated by a connivance between the locals and external forces? Have you heard of the term "ECONOMIC HITMAN"? are you even aware that the IMF imposed staggering increase on interest rates for our existing debts? That was one of the reasons why our debt ballooned more than it was expected. I suggest you check this article

    https://larouchepub.com/other/2004/s...lipp_coup.html

    You know why I have a strong feeling about topics like this? My father came from a family of farmers here in bulacan. His ML drove back those NPAs to the mountains and Marcos Nationwide irrigation helped the farmers.

    And Our water and electricity bills rose to the heavens when Cory took over. And to say Cory was the lesser evil is a total bullshit. I could imagine how hard life was with those daily blackouts that lasts half the days. You people are so brainwashed. Unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    How then could you explain those "nakapanglulolang" yaman ng mga Marcoses in which the Courts have declared to be ill-gotten? Please try to analyze the difference of Ferdinand marcos & wife Imelda's conjugal wealth before Ferdinand Marcos became president as against the couple's wealth after Marcos was overthrown from power. How would you explain the colossal growth of the Marcoses wealth from the time ferdinand Marcos was not yet president to the time when he was overthrown.

    Regarding the Aquinos, lumobo ba ng bigla ang yaman nila from the time Cory became president? The thing is, no graft & corruption charges were filed against Cory & Noynoy Aquino.
    Yeah how can you explain all those that were built despite just 487 billion for 20 years. He couldn't have stole that much if there wasn't that much and still accomplish that much, can he? You know about those couple of ships that carried WW2 loots? A good part of those loots were Vatican bound that's why that much hate on macoy by the Roman Catholic church. There are terms you can easily use in search for answers to your questions like THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION. Try finding out what those scums were forcing Marcos to sign. And we're not talking billions. Of dollars there like the measly 20B they accuse Marcos of stealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    How then could you explain those "nakapanglulolang" yaman ng mga Marcoses in which the Courts have declared to be ill-gotten? Please try to analyze the difference of Ferdinand marcos & wife Imelda's conjugal wealth before Ferdinand Marcos became president as against the couple's wealth after Marcos was overthrown from power. How would you explain the colossal growth of the Marcoses wealth from the time ferdinand Marcos was not yet president to the time when he was overthrown.

    Regarding the Aquinos, lumobo ba ng bigla ang yaman nila from the time Cory became president? The thing is, no graft & corruption charges were filed against Cory & Noynoy Aquino.
    How did you know na hindi lumobo? Hawak mo ba ang accounting Ng assets nila? You aren't even aware that was Marcos was even financially helping out ninoy while he was getting treatment in Chicago? Are you even aware that they were supposedly already bankrupt because the loan agreement they entered with magsaysay (the one which the cojuancos used to purchase more land) had that stipulation that the land will be distributed to the farmers after 50 years? You didn't know that, do you? And you call then less wvil?

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    I'll be busy for a while but I'm anticipating some of the answers and questions to be thrown.

    First, if you read those verdicts (a lot of which were later on reversed, some still on appeal), the conviction were based on "Marcos couldn't have earned that large fortune" , some would even cite his income taxes.

    Im not sure if this is the right term but there was this they call "transcription" period for claimants for the WW2 loots. It was set at 50 years. After that period, whoever possesses it owns it by default. That's why Marcos couldn't just declare those possessions.

    Marcos was actually wanting to give this back to tje people and had negotiations with cory's emissaries but the kamag anak incorporated wanted it for themselves. That's how greedy that family is. Cory even refused to operate the nuclear power plant despite the Filipinos suffering and the economy suffering from those Nationwide blackouts.

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    How can the economy better in Marcos when the P 3.00 from 1964 became 20.00 pesos vs dollar in 1980. That's 6 fold. If it happen today our peso will be more than 100 in 20 years after Marcos.

    We couldn't even pay our debt and had debt crisis.

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    Question: Why the soft stance of PDUTD towards China re: WPS?

    I can only speculate and I will never know as an ordinary citizen.

    Just a speculation: Ang laki ba ng bayad kay PDUTS?

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    Marcos started the ruin of our economy

    PNOY was incompetent as fuck but at least he wasn't China's bitch.

    Duterte is an asshole who doesn't seem to give a shit about our territory

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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    How can the economy better in Marcos when the P 3.00 from 1964 became 20.00 pesos vs dollar in 1980. That's 6 fold. If it happen today our peso will be more than 100 in 20 years after Marcos.

    We couldn't even pay our debt and had debt crisis.
    During the time Ferdinand Marcos came the Nixon shock with the unilateral cancellation of the direct international convertibility of the US dollar to gold in 1971. Consequently, most currencies that were pegged to the US dollar like the peso and the yen found their anchors broken. The floating rate system was born.

    That's quoted from inquirer, a known anti Marcos publication.

    We had good stock of gold bars during Marcos which kept our peso stable despite the decontrol policy that macapagal instituted in 1962 but there were internal and external factors that ruined us. Gold standard was replaced by an unfriendly animal which is called, if I'm not mistaken, the Fiat system.

    Well that's just one. If what Marcos faced during his term happened during noynoy, we should be a banana republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xenoloxy View Post
    Marcos started the ruin of our economy

    PNOY was incompetent as fuck but at least he wasn't China's bitch.

    Duterte is an asshole who doesn't seem to give a shit about our territory
    Duterte maybe a vocal China bitch but noynoy was actually worse. We lost Scarborough during his term. And what's unthinkable happened, the Chinese built artificial islands from soil they dig from zambales. Of course your mainstream media never told you but if you know anyone from zambales, ask them about that.

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    Well said.

    Quote Originally Posted by xenoloxy View Post
    Marcos started the ruin of our economy

    PNOY was incompetent as fuck but at least he wasn't China's bitch.

    Duterte is an asshole who doesn't seem to give a shit about our territory

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    We lost it due to military capability.

    Kaya nga nag Tribunal ruling diba which PDUTS ignore.

    Baka gerahin tayo ng China sabi ni PDUTS. So lame or laki bayad sa kanya and we will never know.

    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    Duterte maybe a vocal China bitch but noynoy was actually worse. We lost Scarborough during his term. And what's unthinkable happened, the Chinese built artificial islands from soil they dig from zambales. Of course your mainstream media never told you but if you know anyone from zambales, ask them about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    During the time Ferdinand Marcos came the Nixon shock with the unilateral cancellation of the direct international convertibility of the US dollar to gold in 1971. Consequently, most currencies that were pegged to the US dollar like the peso and the yen found their anchors broken. The floating rate system was born.

    That's quoted from inquirer, a known anti Marcos publication.

    We had good stock of gold bars during Marcos which kept our peso stable despite the decontrol policy that macapagal instituted in 1962 but there were internal and external factors that ruined us. Gold standard was replaced by an unfriendly animal which is called, if I'm not mistaken, the Fiat system.

    Well that's just one. If what Marcos faced during his term happened during noynoy, we should be a banana republic.
    Any links on your info

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