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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Bones View Post
    We lost it due to military capability.

    Kaya nga nag Tribunal ruling diba which PDUTS ignore.

    Baka gerahin tayo ng China sabi ni PDUTS. So lame or laki bayad sa kanya and we will never know.
    Pare it's not a tribunal ruling but an arbitrary one. Naglitis Ng Wala tayong kalaban because the chinks never honored that. Nanalo tayo sa arbitrary, masyado nmng nakakahiya kng wlng kalaban sina sell Rosario sa hearing tapos natalo pa. Pero cg congratulations nanalo tayo, ngayon ang tanong, who enforces that? The UN will not even life a finger there kht mag iiyak ka in. Ang US? you expect them to risk a war just for you? Pwd kng sila ang beneficiary tapos ikaw din ang mapipinsala. Gusto nyo Yan? How about, we enforce that ruling, ano, sama kayo? Isn't it obvious, iba ang ginagawa Ng kaliwant kamay sa kanang kamay. Ilan ang secret trips ni trillanes? What did we get? We lost Scarborough. And then out of zamabales soils the Chinese built their artificial islands tapos kayo dito aquino less evil? Magpapatalo ko sa usapang basketball pero sa kamangmangang lesser evil Aquino, no way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    Any links on your info
    The first paragraph you can just copy and paste to your browser coz I quoted that verbatim. A more independent and detailed article I recommend is in this link which I posted earlier

    https://larouchepub.com/other/2004/s...lipp_coup.html

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    Marcos and aquino's are both evil walang mas less PANTAY NA PANTAY yan.

    I support duterte administration, for the past 3 years he accomplished A LOT of things already if you don't see that then bulag ka na or blinded o uto-uto ka na sa paninira ng mainstream media na bayaran ng mga oligarchs.

    But ofcourse it doesn't mean i agree everything duterte does, i'm also not happy with west philippine issue and his recent statement with gilas but is that enough for me to support opposition? those people who let china steal the scarborough shoal? and let china dig the soil of zambales to build an island to that shoal?

    Let's take a look since duterte became president walang ni isang isla na nawala sa pinas.

    people called duterte china bitch,dog, puppet etc but failed to realized we now have more friends now unlike before na puppet lang tayo ng US.

    and why we singled out china? vietnam holds most of the island in west philippine sea...

    again i'm also not happy with the handling of WEST PH sea but this administration promise that he will open and talk the arbitration ruling to china i'll wait for that, i let the president play geopolitics and wait than listen this so called makabayan kuno na opposisyon na wala naman mga nagawa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoPilipinas View Post
    Marcos and aquino's are both evil walang mas less PANTAY NA PANTAY yan.

    I support duterte administration, for the past 3 years he accomplished A LOT of things already if you don't see that then bulag ka na or blinded o uto-uto ka na sa paninira ng mainstream media na bayaran ng mga oligarchs.

    But ofcourse it doesn't mean i agree everything duterte does, i'm also not happy with west philippine issue and his recent statement with gilas but is that enough for me to support opposition? those people who let china steal the scarborough shoal? and let china dig the soil of zambales to build an island to that shoal?

    Let's take a look since duterte became president walang ni isang isla na nawala sa pinas.

    people called duterte bitch,dog, puppet etc but failed to realized we now have more friends now unlike before na puppet lang tayo ng US.

    and why we singled out china? vietnam holds most of the island in west philippine sea...

    again i'm also not happy with the handling of WEST PH sea but this administration promise that he will open and talk the arbitration ruling to china i'll wait for that, i let the president play geopolitics and wait than listen this so called makabayan kuno na opposisyon na wala naman mga nagawa.
    HAHAHAHAHA kamustahin mo Kaya ang lagay Ng mga magsasaka ngayon particularly the farmers. Duterte, I admit is better than Noynoy. In other words, better than nothing LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    HAHAHAHAHA kamustahin mo Kaya ang lagay Ng mga magsasaka ngayon particularly the farmers. Duterte, I admit is better than Noynoy. In other words, better than nothing LOL

    Rice farmers, I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoPilipinas View Post
    Marcos and aquino's are both evil walang mas less PANTAY NA PANTAY yan.

    I support duterte administration, for the past 3 years he accomplished A LOT of things already if you don't see that then bulag ka na or blinded o uto-uto ka na sa paninira ng mainstream media na bayaran ng mga oligarchs.

    But ofcourse it doesn't mean i agree everything duterte does, i'm also not happy with west philippine issue and his recent statement with gilas but is that enough for me to support opposition? those people who let china steal the scarborough shoal? and let china dig the soil of zambales to build an island to that shoal?

    Let's take a look since duterte became president walang ni isang isla na nawala sa pinas.

    people called duterte china bitch,dog, puppet etc but failed to realized we now have more friends now unlike before na puppet lang tayo ng US.

    and why we singled out china? vietnam holds most of the island in west philippine sea...

    again i'm also not happy with the handling of WEST PH sea but this administration promise that he will open and talk the arbitration ruling to china i'll wait for that, i let the president play geopolitics and wait than listen this so called makabayan kuno na opposisyon na wala naman mga nagawa.
    Saka di kba nakakahalata? Dati mapang api ang tsekwa pag empleyado ka nya pero pag sa labas tupi mga Yan. Ngayon kahit sa kalye siga-sga. Alam mo you know why the soft spot for Chinese? Duterte actually traces his roots to xiamen China. Lolo nya Lam. At hndi lng basta may dugong tsekwa, just like Cory, may occasional visits Yan sa probinsya nya sa China to pay respect to his ancestors. That's how attached both duterte and the cojuancos are to their Chinese lineage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    HAHAHAHAHA kamustahin mo Kaya ang lagay Ng mga magsasaka ngayon particularly the farmers. Duterte, I admit is better than Noynoy. In other words, better than nothing LOL
    Then anong nakakatawa dun? it's been a long problem of our country from narural disaster and corruption etc. atleast he admits di tulad ng iba na isisi sa iba right? and i'm sure this administration doing something to solve this pray tayo for our farmers kesa tumawa... nga pala balita nga pala sa hacienda luisita?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    Saka di kba nakakahalata? Dati mapang api ang tsekwa pag empleyado ka nya pero pag sa labas tupi mga Yan. Ngayon kahit sa kalye siga-sga. Alam mo you know why the soft spot for Chinese? Duterte actually traces his roots to xiamen China. Lolo nya Lam. At hndi lng basta may dugong tsekwa, just like Cory, may occasional visits Yan sa probinsya nya sa China to pay respect to his ancestors. That's how attached both duterte and the cojuancos are to their Chinese lineage.
    Ano ba mag-uusap ba tayo ng may sense o maghaka haka lang? well chinese tourist are rude naman talaga kahit pumunta ka ng thailand, france other country kilala talaga mga chinese tourist na rude. i don't think direct mo pwede isisi kay duterte yan diyan talaga sila kilala pero di mo pwede ilahat marami din naman matino at mabait. and nice move by mayor isko ng sinaway niya yung chinese tourist na nagyosi sa public dapat ganyan lahat ng official natin enforce the law! welcome lahat tourist kahit sino its good for our economy.

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    Du30 continues to ignore our constitution

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoPilipinas View Post
    Then anong nakakatawa dun? it's been a long problem of our country from narural disaster and corruption etc. atleast he admits di tulad ng iba na isisi sa iba right? and i'm sure this administration doing something to solve this pray tayo for our farmers kesa tumawa... nga pala balita nga pala sa hacienda luisita?....
    Nakakatawa mga pinagsasasabi nyo, nagtanong ka pa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoPilipinas View Post
    Then anong nakakatawa dun? it's been a long problem of our country from narural disaster and corruption etc. atleast he admits di tulad ng iba na isisi sa iba right? and i'm sure this administration doing something to solve this pray tayo for our farmers kesa tumawa... nga pala balita nga pala sa hacienda luisita?....
    Natural disasters andyan pero Yung man-made disaster na economic policies? Yung TRAIN at rice tarification law Ng administration Alam mo ba kng gano kabigat ang epekto Nyan sa magsasaka? Hnd ako natatawa dahil dyan kundi sa mga sinabi mo na kala mo napakaganda ng nagawa ni Duterte. May maliit na sakahan pa kami dto sa bulacan Kaya Alam ko ang bigat Ng pasanin na Yan. Something na pikit mata lng ang mga fanatico. TRAIN law as if hnd pa patong patong any mga pabigat na buwis mula EVAT hanggang EPIRA. Panahon ni Marcos na minumura mura nyo kakaunti lng at minimal ang taxes pero kabikabila aang infrastructures. Bkt hnd ang sectarian businesses ang patawan Ng buwis? Takot ba sa simbahan ang duterte?

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    Marcos gained power by a staged NPA attack on Enrile and co. He was corrupt. He allowed himself and his cronies to gain much wealth without showing anything for it. He had ambitious plans but due to a combination of corruption and mismanagement failed. Almost all of the GOCCs he started were losing money even during his time. Eventually they had to be shutdown or sold off. I could forgive the corruption if he had something to show for it but he didnt. He left our country worse off. But the worst was his human rights record. I know many people who were picked up and jailed just because they went to a party that was also attended by a political suspect. A lady who was jailed was sexually abused. Back then you had to find your loved ones within 10 days or they will disappear forever. The guy was power hungry. He did not blink on imprisoning, torturing or killing his critics or those associated with them. You couldnt even criticize his family without fearing for your life. You were lucky if you didnt mind the propaganda and the government agents but if you protested chances are youll get jailed or worst.

    Duterte for me is very wrong on two parts. One is on killing criminals. Look how Isko makes a show of presenting suspects alive and not dead. Better be shown on camera alive than a cadaver. Second, is his kowtowing to China. I agree you have to be practical but at the same time he should think if it is worth it. Giving up our territory is a no no. I'm with Carpio on this. Authentic historical records show that China has no right to their 9 meter red line. They just have the big guns and boats. We can politically protest their intrusions while supporting economic imvestments from them if they are still willing. Lastly, he should restrict the visas of these guys. Chinese workers are engulfing Manila and keeping condominium rates high with the government only getting barya in tax payments. Only SM, DD and the Chinese POGO owners are getting rich. Filipino employees are paying taxes while the Chinese workers are tax free. Not all investments are good. If they dont give anything back to the Filipino people except higher property rates they should be restricted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    How did you know na hindi lumobo? Hawak mo ba ang accounting Ng assets nila? You aren't even aware that was Marcos was even financially helping out ninoy while he was getting treatment in Chicago? Are you even aware that they were supposedly already bankrupt because the loan agreement they entered with magsaysay (the one which the cojuancos used to purchase more land) had that stipulation that the land will be distributed to the farmers after 50 years? You didn't know that, do you? And you call then less wvil?
    But there wasn't no issue about the Aquinos having their wealth growing in a colossal scale. None at all. The growth of Marcos' wealth on the other hand was too big & colossal not to be noticed. It was too obvious. With regards to Marcos giving financial assistance to Ninoy's heart bypass in the US, don't you realize that it was marcos' ploy to have Ninoy live there in the US becoz for as long as Ninoy is in the Philippines he would be leading the dissent against Marcos? It favored Marcos that Ninoy was out of the country. You made Marcos' financial assistance on Ninoy's medication a big issue. As I've said, even the devil knows how to do good deeds, but it is with an ulterior motive. Besides, wasn't marcos who detained Ninoy & other political prisoners for false accusations of rebellion?

    As I've said, I honestly believe that the Aquinos aren't clean at all. They also have their dark side. But the Aquinos are definitely less evil than Ferdinand & Imelda Marcos.

    Bro, I have met & heard the words of people who are Marcos loyalists & you obviously sounded like one.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    I'll be busy for a while but I'm anticipating some of the answers and questions to be thrown.

    First, if you read those verdicts (a lot of which were later on reversed, some still on appeal), the conviction were based on "Marcos couldn't have earned that large fortune" , some would even cite his income taxes.

    Im not sure if this is the right term but there was this they call "transcription" period for claimants for the WW2 loots. It was set at 50 years. After that period, whoever possesses it owns it by default. That's why Marcos couldn't just declare those possessions.

    Marcos was actually wanting to give this back to tje people and had negotiations with cory's emissaries but the kamag anak incorporated wanted it for themselves. That's how greedy that family is. Cory even refused to operate the nuclear power plant despite the Filipinos suffering and the economy suffering from those Nationwide blackouts.

    Kung may darkest years man, hnd Yan nung martial law kundi panahon ng reyna Ng brownout.
    So do you believe that Marcos never stole public money becoz for the record, he was not convicted of any graft charges? This despite of marcos massive unexplained wealth which he amassed during his presidency. We are aware how crooked our justice system is. We are all aware how powerful & influencial the Marcoses are even after ferdinand marcos' exile. Marcoses has even gotten stronger now with Bobong almost winning the vice-presidential race & Imee elected as senator. We all know how easy our judges & justices can be bribed, specially by somebody like the Marcoses who have bottomless pockets.

    Bro, wake up. You're being blinded by your biases. Your rationale & discernment are obviously impaired by your biases.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    I'll be busy for a while but I'm anticipating some of the answers and questions to be thrown.

    First, if you read those verdicts (a lot of which were later on reversed, some still on appeal), the conviction were based on "Marcos couldn't have earned that large fortune" , some would even cite his income taxes.

    Im not sure if this is the right term but there was this they call "transcription" period for claimants for the WW2 loots. It was set at 50 years. After that period, whoever possesses it owns it by default. That's why Marcos couldn't just declare those possessions.

    Marcos was actually wanting to give this back to tje people and had negotiations with cory's emissaries but the kamag anak incorporated wanted it for themselves. That's how greedy that family is. Cory even refused to operate the nuclear power plant despite the Filipinos suffering and the economy suffering from those Nationwide blackouts.

    Kung may darkest years man, hnd Yan nung martial law kundi panahon ng reyna Ng brownout.
    What????????????????????????????????????

    Do you seriously believe that?

    Kaya pala hanggang ngayon grabe opposition nina Imelda, Bongbong at Imee sa pag-sasauli ng Marcos ill-gotten wealth sa Philippine government.

    Bro, kung ikaw nabubulagan ka dahil sa mga biases mo, please spare us from your delusion.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    The first paragraph you can just copy and paste to your browser coz I quoted that verbatim. A more independent and detailed article I recommend is in this link which I posted earlier

    https://larouchepub.com/other/2004/s...lipp_coup.html
    Mike Bellington is a convicted felon, conspiracy to commit mail fraud. Billington solicited 131 loans from 85 people that totaled $1.24 million even though he knew the money would not be repaid. Which is similar to what Marcos did to our country.

    Beside he isn't a economist. Do you have any other subject matter expert and has atleast a Master in international economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astigram04 View Post
    Natural disasters andyan pero Yung man-made disaster na economic policies? Yung TRAIN at rice tarification law Ng administration Alam mo ba kng gano kabigat ang epekto Nyan sa magsasaka? Hnd ako natatawa dahil dyan kundi sa mga sinabi mo na kala mo napakaganda ng nagawa ni Duterte. May maliit na sakahan pa kami dto sa bulacan Kaya Alam ko ang bigat Ng pasanin na Yan. Something na pikit mata lng ang mga fanatico. TRAIN law as if hnd pa patong patong any mga pabigat na buwis mula EVAT hanggang EPIRA. Panahon ni Marcos na minumura mura nyo kakaunti lng at minimal ang taxes pero kabikabila aang infrastructures. Bkt hnd ang sectarian businesses ang patawan Ng buwis? Takot ba sa simbahan ang duterte?
    Well marami naman benefits ang train law di ko na kailangan isa-isahin di naman ako ekonomista, i'm sure ikaw din... kung may maliit kayong sakahan dyan sa bulacan e meron din kami sa mindanao wala nga kinikita narinig mo naman siguro mga poblema dun right?. tulad mo gusto rin namin mabago sistema but mag reklamo ng reklamo? no marami poblema bansa yung may makita tayo improvements kahit maliit o malaki dapat lahat ready to sacrifice for the best of the country. matagal na panahon na wala mga marcos iba panahon noon at ngayon ibang iba na you need to move on.

    and yes i agree sectarian business need to pay taxes too!
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    Politics is a pr game from Duterte to Isko Moreno, who s now building a brand of being an action man without the killing part..all bout branding

    As for the policy implementation, its not a one man show, its the sponsors( now the villars, smc, davao group, chinese) are the financiers, and still the cabinet are calling the x and O's
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    So we can tag Steve Kerr being an ultra liberalist as American version of dilawan.. hehe
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    I'm curious to know what Filipino IBNers think of Reddit Philippines.

    I go to that subreddit from time to time and, honestly, the things they post about politics always make me cringe. Puro reklamo na lang ang mga posts. It's become an echo-chamber for anti-Duterte Pinoys and it's annoying as fuck. I'm not even a Duterte supporter but that sub is just insufferable.
    "INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS."

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