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    Default Group H: LTU-AUS-CAN-SEN

    • Lithuania (Fiba World Rank: 006)
    • Australia (Fiba World Rank: 011)
    • Canada (Fiba World Rank: 023)
    • Senegal (Fiba World Rank: 037)


    1 September 2019

    Canada - Australia
    15:30 GMT+08
    City, Arena: Dongguan, Dongguan Basketball Center
    Game day 1

    Senegal - Lithuania
    19:30 GMT+08
    City, Arena: Dongguan, Dongguan Basketball Center
    Game day 1


    3 September 2019

    Australia - Senegal
    15:30 GMT+08
    City, Arena: Dongguan, Dongguan Basketball Center
    Game day 2

    Lithuania - Canada
    19:30 GMT+08
    City, Arena: Dongguan, Dongguan Basketball Center
    Game day 2

    5 September 2019

    Canada - Senegal
    15:30 GMT+08
    City, Arena: Dongguan, Dongguan Basketball Center
    Game day 3

    Lithuania - Australia
    19:30 GMT+08
    City, Arena: Dongguan, Dongguan Basketball Center
    Game day 3
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    My prediction:

    1. ???
    2. ???
    3. ???
    4. Senegal

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    Canadian camp opens today and the public still does not know who will be there. Could have any where from 4 to 10 NBA players. Which is a laughable range.

    All we know so far is Thompson, Powell and Barrett are out but there could be others. There were even reports of Wiggins being seen in public with Olynyk and Joseph in Toronto over the weekend (Carabina festival). Very doubtful, but you never know.

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    Number one Lithuania for me. And i ll place money on that. Underated team, i don't know if can reach the semis but it won't be a surprise. i am curious if kalnietis can switch to "NT Beast mode" for one last time.
    Australia second and Canada slightly third, only because Canada doesn't have that fiba experience and team chemistry as the others, and they don't seem they value that tournament that much. Of course Canada has the talent to prove me wrong, but as for now that's the safest thought i can make.
    Unfair for those 3. Lucky as who we 'll be on pizza-beer-cheers from day one.

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    1. Canada
    2. LTU
    3: AUS
    ....

    for me. Canada is safe LTU vs AUS will be a hard fight.

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    Lietuva and Australia experienced teams will overcome Canada's individual tallent.

    Senegal will have good preparation for 17-32 places games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toruko View Post
    1. Canada
    2. LTU
    3: AUS
    ....

    for me. Canada is safe LTU vs AUS will be a hard fight.
    You pick Canada without its top guys to finish first? That's bold. Now that we know Murray won't play I don't see them making it out. He was their last hope. No TT No Powell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    You pick Canada without its top guys to finish first? That's bold. Now that we know Murray won't play I don't see them making it out. He was their last hope. No TT No Powell.

    Ummmm.... no everyone.

    Camp list just was announced. this is a disaster. We dont have a chance to make it out of group.

    No Jamal Murray, Dillon Brooks, Trey Lyles, Dwight Powell, Nik Stauskas, Tristan Thompson, Andrew Wiggins, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, RJ Barrett.
    Let alone a load of other talent like Brandon Clarke, Nickeil Alexnder Walker, Mfiondu Kabengel, Andrew Nicholson, Anthony Bennett, Dylan and Tyler Ennis - it seems about 80% of our top talent decided not to show up. Just Pathetic.



    I suppose we will look something like this:

    Cory Joseph, Kevin Pangos , Aaron Best, Phil and Tommy Scrubb, Duane Notice , Brady Heslip

    Maybe Brissett or Keane takes Notice's spot though. I dunno

    Birch , Olynyk , Boucher , Wiltjer, Ejim

    Running with some dang G-League benchwarmers here.

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    Group of Death is now Group of Mild Illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Ummmm.... no everyone.

    Camp list just was announced. this is a disaster. We dont have a chance to make it out of group.

    No Jamal Murray, Dillon Brooks, Trey Lyles, Dwight Powell, Nik Stauskas, Tristan Thompson, Andrew Wiggins, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, RJ Barrett.
    Let alone a load of other talent like Brandon Clarke, Nickeil Alexnder Walker, Mfiondu Kabengel, Andrew Nicholson, Anthony Bennett, Dylan and Tyler Ennis - it seems about 80% of our top talent decided not to show up. Just Pathetic.
    Wait, what? I had just read an article that most players will show up. I can understand some of them but this many absentees is a disappointment
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Ummmm.... no everyone.

    Camp list just was announced. this is a disaster. We dont have a chance to make it out of group.

    No Jamal Murray, Dillon Brooks, Trey Lyles, Dwight Powell, Nik Stauskas, Tristan Thompson, Andrew Wiggins, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, RJ Barrett.
    Let alone a load of other talent like Brandon Clarke, Nickeil Alexander Walker, Mfiondu Kabengel, Andrew Nicholson, Anthony Bennett, Dylan and Tyler Ennis - it seems about 80% of our top talent decided not to show up. Just Pathetic.
    I mean I didn't want to type out everyone missing but wow this is a disaster. It seems like Canada's golden era will have to be postponed yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivo View Post
    Wait, what? I had just read an article that most players will show up. I can understand some of them but this many absentees is a disappointment
    Murray at camp but won't do part of the main roster

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    Australia
    Lithuania
    Canada
    Senegal

    Canada's no shows are disastrous, unlike the US they just don't have the depth or international experience to really make up for it. If they had been in say Group A, they could have likely gotten to the knock out stage in spite of this; but against Lithuania/Australia two teams with better established cores and more international success, I don't see where the wins come from.
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    Canada team hasn't succeed in all these years in FIBA competitions for various reasons. We still remember father Rautins, Jay Triano and nowadays the Great Steve Nash. I think there is a big problem. Canadians do not feel proud to represent their country. Some maybe feel more African players due to their heritage. Others maybe feel more Americans, some of them speak French. I really don't know what is going on in this country.

    Some notes:
    1.Nash and Nurse as executives. Players snub them. I think it's ridiculous.
    2.Canada hasn't reach the podium in any major competition(World Cup -Olympics). Their best result is almost 40 years ago.
    3.Canada team is not USA, not even Serbia-Argentina-Brazil-Greece-Italy-Spain-Lithuania etc. Their prestige was always mediocre.
    4. Who is Patterson? Who is Omoruyi? We must be joking.
    5. And finally players claim one-by-one injuries, professional reasons, family reasons etc.

    The camp is filled with some good and solid players. They have proved their loyalty all this years. From the beginning it was a mistake to call 15 NBA players a month ago. In addition it is also wrong for us to believe that all these players who skipped the Worlds are something special. Most of them played only one year of professional basketball. I believe that Murray, Powell and Stauskas hurting the Canada team.

    Good luck to the World Cup

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    Nash set the tone when he quit playing for Canada just as he entered the prime of his career.

    TBH still a decent roster, but releasing a wish list of invitees sets you up for a PR disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulis79 View Post
    Canada team hasn't succeed in all these years in FIBA competitions for various reasons. We still remember father Rautins, Jay Triano and nowadays the Great Steve Nash. I think there is a big problem. Canadians do not feel proud to represent their country. Some maybe feel more African players due to their heritage. Others maybe feel more Americans, some of them speak French. I really don't know what is going on in this country.

    Some notes:
    1.Nash and Nurse as executives. Players snub them. I think it's ridiculous.
    2.Canada hasn't reach the podium in any major competition(World Cup -Olympics). Their best result is almost 40 years ago.
    3.Canada team is not USA, not even Serbia-Argentina-Brazil-Greece-Italy-Spain-Lithuania etc. Their prestige was always mediocre.
    4. Who is Patterson? Who is Omoruyi? We must be joking.
    5. And finally players claim one-by-one injuries, professional reasons, family reasons etc.

    The camp is filled with some good and solid players. They have proved their loyalty all this years. From the beginning it was a mistake to call 15 NBA players a month ago. In addition it is also wrong for us to believe that all these players who skipped the Worlds are something special. Most of them played only one year of professional basketball. I believe that Murray, Powell and Stauskas hurting the Canada team.

    Good luck to the World Cup

    Eugene Omoruyi is a NCAA player - Yeah, I didn't even know who he was (probably just a warm body at this point). Addison Patterson is an 18 year old NBA prospect. He is probably just there to get some experience - probably a good thing he is at camp.

    I think Canada Basketball got caught with their pants down here and the NBA drop outs snuck up on them. Lots of rumors that there has been a strong push from agents and NBA clubs to get guys not to play. Obviously this has impacted the USA, Canada and African nations more than Europe. This doesn't seem much different from what the USA is going through, except it is strongly last minute (maybe they knew all along) and yes, we don't have the depth as the USA to get past this. But we have more depth than most other countries as evident by losing ~75% of our top talent, yet we can still field a decent team.

    If we knew this was coming we could have pushed farther down the talent pool for guys who could have contributed, some in a really big way - Andrew Nicholson would have been huge at this point. Dylan Ennis, Aaron Doornekamp, Andy Rautins, Naz Mitrou Long, Nik Stauskas, Conor Morgan, Anthony Bennett.

    We do have a huge cultural problem with commitment - and I really thought this was going to be the moment it changed. We have been working on it for the last five years, yet this disaster happens. You can read more about it here:
    https://www.thestar.com/sports/baske...portunity.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo13 View Post
    Eugene Omoruyi is a NCAA player - Yeah, I didn't even know who he was (probably just a warm body at this point). Addison Patterson is an 18 year old NBA prospect. He is probably just there to get some experience - probably a good thing he is at camp.

    I think Canada Basketball got caught with their pants down here and the NBA drop outs snuck up on them. Lots of rumors that there has been a strong push from agents and NBA clubs to get guys not to play. Obviously this has impacted the USA, Canada and African nations more than Europe. This doesn't seem much different from what the USA is going through, except it is strongly last minute (maybe they knew all along) and yes, we don't have the depth as the USA to get past this. But we have more depth than most other countries as evident by losing ~75% of our top talent, yet we can still field a decent team.

    If we knew this was coming we could have pushed farther down the talent pool for guys who could have contributed, some in a really big way - Andrew Nicholson would have been huge at this point. Dylan Ennis, Aaron Doornekamp, Andy Rautins, Naz Mitrou Long, Nik Stauskas, Conor Morgan, Anthony Bennett.

    We do have a huge cultural problem with commitment - and I really thought this was going to be the moment it changed. We have been working on it for the last five years, yet this disaster happens. You can read more about it here:
    https://www.thestar.com/sports/baske...portunity.html
    In hindsight the late promotion of barrett and later hiring of Nurse were red flags that something was going to go wrong. Best move for Canada now would be to try to get players to buy in for what is likely to be a OQT berth while still trying to win as many games as they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    You pick Canada without its top guys to finish first? That's bold. Now that we know Murray won't play I don't see them making it out. He was their last hope. No TT No Powell.
    Murray is out? hahahahahahahahhaha I didnt know that. That changes a lot of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    In hindsight the late promotion of barrett and later hiring of Nurse were red flags that something was going to go wrong. Best move for Canada now would be to try to get players to buy in for what is likely to be a OQT berth while still trying to win as many games as they can.
    Best move for Canada right now is to gel a team with a good mix of NBA players and solid European pros, pull a couple upsets and shut everybody the hell up. There are far worse rosters that will make the final 8.

    I for one will take 24 hours to moan and complain, then will start looking at how we can make this happen.

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    But why this upcoming NBA season affected so much USA and Canada, but best Europeans are in.

    For example Jokic and Murray is playing for same team and have same 20+ Mill. contracts

    The problem is not NBA here,but players dedication for their NT.

    Europeans feel pride representing their NT and no NBA agent or GM can change that.

    If it would be free agency summer is one thing I can understand that, but all other summers is just players lack of dedication.

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